Why didn't the Nazis win WW2?

Originally posted by Long Lance
Hitler was, without a shadow of doubt, conceived as a NWO executive, pre-war support shows that. Germany's wartime blunders can be attributed to a combination of Hitler's lack of strategic capabilites and remaining NWO sub-executives who gave false advice.

F-ex. Hitler's physician recommended AGAINST the Me262 jet fighter because of high G loads (alledgedly). problem is when hunting bombers, you don't need to pull lots of G's and the low jet thrust made maneuvering combat problematic if not suicidal. ready in 1943, combined with unguided rockets, this weapon would have meant a lot of grief to allied bombers....on its own, mind you.

there are other interesting parts, such as the extremely late destruction of germany's synthetic fuel factories, bombed in late 1944, these plants were the mother of all high value targets, but i guess the allies wanted to bleed the Russians a bit more to suit their strategic plans.

Umm... nope, sorry. You need to read some of the transcripts of Hitler's military conferences to get a better idea of the way that his mind worked. He had an amazing memory for such a maggot-riddled murderer, but he trusted his own judgement, which was very shoddy.
The main delay in the ME 262 was because Hitler wanted it converted to a fighter-bomber role, something that was totally unsuited for. Also its engines wore out very quickly, I think because of a lack of tungsten. I need to check that though.
As for the synthetic oil factories, Allied bombing strategy was mixed up massively and many targets were being hit at different times. Moreover long range bombing missions over Germany - such as the oil plants - required fighter escorts, and that had to wait until the long-range tanks for the Mustang were developed.
I don't think that a NWO would have wanted Germany smashed in the way that it was at the end of the war anyway. And it was smashed.

the people behind the scenes know that you cannot really force people to give up there liberties and freedoms, becuase there always will be those who refuse.

so the way they did it is probably better as you give the people the impression they are free, and brfore they know it they have no freedoms at all, the blind leading the blind.

you see in the west today so much conditioning towards whatever goals they have, and the wests people are just eating it up.

Originally posted by Darkmind


The main delay in the ME 262 was because Hitler wanted it converted to a fighter-bomber role, something that was totally unsuited for. Also its engines wore out very quickly

Yes, the reason he wanted that conversion was... an unsuitable flight profile for dogfights! But: dogfighting was obsolete by that time anyways.

high quality steel was not a hallmark of german industry production at that time, probably more due to a lack of manganese, chrome vanadium and so forth. funny how ocean floors are often littered with such metals isn't it?

Pavil,
I was just offering the idea that if the U.S or Britain had allied with Hitler they maybe would have had enough nerve to stop the holocaust. Maybe not, maybe Hitler would not have told them about it and kept them in the dark. Just a thought

The first question that should come to mind is, how do we know the allies wanted to stop the holocost? Without that it would have been very difficult establishing a jewish homeland after the war, and we know that the Rothchilds wanted Israel.

Doesn't bankers pretty much run this country, well if they want the holocost there's a good chance they will get it.

Originally posted by Fighting Kentuctian
The first question that should come to mind is, how do we know the allies wanted to stop the holocost? Without that it would have been very difficult establishing a jewish homeland after the war, and we know that the Rothchilds wanted Israel.

Doesn't bankers pretty much run this country, well if they want the holocost there's a good chance they will get it.

How could they have stopped it? There was the option to bomb the rail links heading to places like Auschwitz, but this would have been dangerous, both to the people being shipped there, and to the air crews who would have had to go a hell of a long way to get there.
Although Enigma meant that we could decode a lot of the signals involved in the holocaust, the use of deliberately vague language by the Germans meant that we rarely knew the true numbers behind what the Einsatzgruppen were doing in Poland and Russia, although we had some idea. It wasn't until we liberated the camps that the true horror of the Holocaust became plain. My grandfather saw Bergen-Belsen. It haunted him for the rest of his life.
As for the Rothschilds, please don't bring in such rubbish.

Originally posted by Darkmind


As for the Rothschilds, please don't bring in such rubbish.

Didn't he say 'bankers' ? that would include people from certain dynasties, which to this day seem to run the world pretty much openly, too. before that they did smack (opium you know) and i have a hunch they had their blooded hands in the business of banning hemp, too.

You see, everything is interconnected, today's globalists love to talk about interdependence, brazen insolence, isn't it?

"How could they have stopped it? There was the option to bomb the rail links heading to places like Auschwitz, but this would have been dangerous, both to the people being shipped there, and to the air crews who would have had to go a hell of a long way to get there.
Although Enigma meant that we could decode a lot of the signals involved in the holocaust, the use of deliberately vague language by the Germans meant that we rarely knew the true numbers behind what the Einsatzgruppen were doing in Poland and Russia, although we had some idea. It wasn't until we liberated the camps that the true horror of the Holocaust became plain. My grandfather saw Bergen-Belsen. It haunted him for the rest of his life.
As for the Rothschilds, please don't bring in such rubbish. "


I was not asking how they could have stopped the holocost, but how do we know they would have if they had the chance. Remember governments and people in high places often have different agendas than what they often tell their subjects.

It seems that you don't believe the Rothchilds had anything to do with the creation of Israel, well lets see what I can dig up.

Lets start with the Balfour Declaration of 1917. The British foreign minister stated that his government supported the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine. The interesting part is that it was written by Lord Balfour to non other than Lionel Walter Rothchild. Although many say it was in fact written by Lionel Rothchild and his employee Alfred Milner (the guy who took over the round table when Cecil Rhodes died).

If we take a look of the three people above Balfour, Lionel Rothchild and Milner we'll see that they are all in the inner circle of the elite. Lord Balfour was a high official in the round table, Milner was in charge and Rothchild funded it.

Two years later in 1919 while at the Hotel Majestic discussing the Paris peace conference (which led to the Versailles treaty) the inquiry, round table, what ever you wish to call them among other things all were in favor of a Jewish homeland in Palestine. These people were either Rothchild bloodline or controled by them Such as their host at the Peace conference, Baron Edmond de Rothchild who was the leading force behind the creation of a Jewish homeland.

At this time the Rothchilds began manipulating Jewish people to settle in Palestine, although this process actually began in the 1880's. It wasn't after WW1 that it bagan in earnest. Baron Edmond de Rothchild took over the operation in is often called the "Father of Israel". He financed European Jews to settle there to continue his agenda, not to help follow jews. He ruled the area with an iron fist telling the people what they can grow on their farms and what to produce in their factories. It is siad that when fellow Jews complained of the strict laws he replied "I created the Yishuv, I alone. Therefore no men, neither colonisits nor organizations, have the rigt to interfere in my plans".

Edmond Rothchild was the power behind Theodore Herzl the founder of Zionism and Chaim Weizmann another important leader of Zionism.

At this point everything was going smooth but somewhat slow. Rothchild needed a hegelian theory that would stop Arabs protesting the takeover of their own land. This problem-reaction-solution situation was none other the holocost. Why surely no one would object to a legitamite Jewish homeland after what happened to the Jews of Europe.

Even then Rothchild founded the terrorist Stern and Irgun gangs which helped make Israel a state. And as if they did not cause enough suffering to their fellow Jews the Rothchilds were the ones who managed to obtain the wealth stolen from the Jews by the Nazis and plaecd in Rothchild banks in Switzerland for safekeeping, translated to be lent out.

I did not want to get off the topic, but found the info the be important. There was much that I ommited for sake of space.

Fighting Kentuctian

Got any room for this:

... a proposal was made by the U.S. Government to the Treaty of Versaille Committee, in 1919. In a document known as "Morgenthau's Pastoral Policy", signed by president Woodrow Wilson (drafted by his Illuminati advisor, Hans Morgenthau, Sr.) and presented at Versaille. Under it, the U.S. attempted to make, as one of the provisions of the German surrender, the extermination of all Germans, as an "inherently warlike race", and the "reduction of Germany to a pastureland". The document, examined in 1968, was among the papers of former president Lyndon Baines Johnson, now kept in the Sid W. Richardson Research Center, at U.T., Austin.

If money dried up people get grumpy... something made the German people
unhappy.

Yet in Charles Higham's "Trading With The Enemy" in the chapter on Princess
Stefanie, some appear in the money. Investments must have been going into
Germany to support the great arms buildup, and more.

As touched upon the Nazi war machine was built for quick decisive victory, not prolonged war. Once the war stretched over 3 years the Nazi war effort would fail.
I read some of hitlers generals wanted to Sue for peace after france fell, but that once the USA entered the war, it was not to be.
The failure to build a heavy long range bomber was another nail in the coffin. WIth no avenue to bomb production facilities in a meaningfull manner, Nazi efforts would fail.

American Manufacturing did in the Axis war machine period. The ability to
build a ship a day, hundreds of planes per month, millions of rounds per hour...it was a matter of time.

Which brings me to the next global war. Where will America get the manufacturing base for the next global conflict, if it is a sustained war..?

Originally posted by toolman

As touched upon the Nazi war machine was built for quick decisive victory, not prolonged war. Once the war stretched over 3 years the Nazi war effort would fail.
I read some of hitlers generals wanted to Sue for peace after france fell, but that once the USA entered the war, it was not to be.
The failure to build a heavy long range bomber was another nail in the coffin. WIth no avenue to bomb production facilities in a meaningfull manner, Nazi efforts would fail.

American Manufacturing did in the Axis war machine period. The ability to
build a ship a day, hundreds of planes per month, millions of rounds per hour...it was a matter of time.

Which brings me to the next global war. Where will America get the manufacturing base for the next global conflict, if it is a sustained war..?

Again hidden banking is the problem since Nov 1993 WTC bombing funded by
money from unknown sources.

I liked the spam note and the Sherman tank with the still secret carburetor.
That would help us out now against a non mechanized enemy rich in oil.
Makes no sense. Its lock away like king edwards rules of seccession never
to be seen again.

Toolman, you ask the million dollar question with where will our production come from in time of need. Most people think the USA is still a world power these days which I find to be really nieve. We could again become a manufacturing country if the gov't would just get out of the way.

Germany began losing the war when it invaded Russia. That was not the sole cause, but the keystone. Hitler had too many fronts to attempt a Russian invasion.

By the time Germany marched on Russia, Hitler had backed off of an invasion on England, but was supplying a strong front in France. Additionally as Germany had no natural oil resources to speak of, Hitler was holding another front in North Africa which was slipping away.

Add in that Hitler, while a genius in some ways, was an egomaniac... and a supreme example of micro-managing. His Generals could not make a move without permission.

Continue to add the resources the German Military used to carry out Hitlers insane, obsessed, desire to eliminate the Jews. The additional resources used to find "super weapons", and the tiring of the German people, and the whole idea was doomed to fail.

FOR THE SAKE OF ARGUMENT - I am NOT advocating Nazi Succession..

Hitler picked a perfect time to start a war. Neither the US or the UK had any desire to fight a war. Hitler invaded Poland and there was little concern. Hitler was a hero to the German people. He brought them out of a severe depression, and gave them pride. IF he had moved slower, established Germany's strengths in conquered territories, and not pursued the Jewish destruction, he made had succeeded. If the UK and US had never felt threatened he may have succeeded. And finally if he had not micro-managed he may have succeeded. Again... the world was not ready for a war, and paid little attention to his early movements.

But anytime you give absolute power to one man, or one group, then that organization, movement, or political idea is doomed to failure.

"Power corrupts, Absolute power corrupts absolutely".

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I've also wondered that same thing, but I've come to realize the respect they give to certain dates and certain celestial happenings. Basically, the stars dictate to them when certain events are to take place.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS

Add in that Hitler, while a genius in some ways, was an egomaniac... and a supreme example of micro-managing. His Generals could not make a move without permission.

Not strictly speaking true, though many of his Generals were yes men, some were of sterner stuff and earned Hitler's respect because of it. Specifically in relation to Barbarossa, without von Mannstein acting on his own initiative the Soviets would have gained ground much sooner. And more pertinently, despite operating on multiple fronts, the Great Patriotic War should have ended with Germany victorious, though we'll obviously never know, the Soviets were only able to win because they were being supplied the German Order of Battle, in detail, via the Lucy Network who had a source in the OKH. Notably, Hitler never reprimanded von Mannstein for ignoring his orders, he was glaringly aware of the high level leak but powerless to act.

1. they didn't wait long enough for there R&D's new high tech weapons to become available , as most of there high tech weapons didn't seem to come online until the end of the war .
2. they attacked Russia without first defeating the UK .
3. They didn't target the UK's radar fields .
4. Romal was away during the Normandy invasion and do to the diss info job the allies did on the Nazis divisions of tanks were left on stand by and had specific orders not to go to Normandy as they were lead to believe that General Patton was to lead the main invasion and the Nazis thought that Normandy was a diversion . Had Romal been there and not at home with his wife celebrating his wedding anniversary he would have over ridden the order not to move in the divisions of tanks and simply cleaned up the beaches .

I am willing to bet that there are more reasons as to why they didn't win but there are just a few that I think played a important roll in them loosing .
Edit to add , I am glad they lost BTW

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In a sense, I believe they did win the war. Not on the surface, as they couldn't maintain with their nations army, the huge task these evil madmen were attempting. But their science was advanced, and some of the disclosures said that they gave us the bomb. This makes a world of difference in understanding history, along with operation paperclip. What I believe, since the PTB, and the Rockefeller and Roschildes funded Hitlers regime, and made the war possible, and I believe they all hoped Hitler's nwo plan would succeed, as he was probably just as much their puppet as Bush, the reality was, they weren't positioned to succeed, being too small a nation to hold that much territory. So I believe the folding was pre-arranged, with escape of the leaders, and assorption of the Scientists to continue the fourth reicht here.

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reply to post by mystiq


Excellent point and there is a lot of truth in what you say .

Originally posted by mystiq
In a sense, I believe they did win the war. Not on the surface, as they couldn't maintain with their nations army, the huge task these evil madmen were attempting. But their science was advanced, and some of the disclosures said that they gave us the bomb.

Most, if not all of the Nazis avionics capabilities and advances originated in the US, gifted and stolen. Most of their scientific advances, especially in the chemical and medicinal fields originated in the US.

This makes a world of difference in understanding history, along with operation paperclip. What I believe, since the PTB, and the Rockefeller and Roschildes funded Hitlers regime, and made the war possible, and I believe they all hoped Hitler's nwo plan would succeed, as he was probably just as much their puppet as Bush, the reality was, they weren't positioned to succeed, being too small a nation to hold that much territory.

The Rothschild's in no way, shape or form, funded Hitler. They did though, some evidence suggests, fund elements in Soviet Russia. Pre- and post- revolution.

The Rockefellers, and particularly Standard Oil, did aid Hitler. But they were by no means alone, Hitler crushed Socialism (Bolshevism), the US and UK financial elites admired that and invested heavily in Nazism.

So I believe the folding was pre-arranged, with escape of the leaders, and assorption of the Scientists to continue the fourth reicht here.

The division of Nazi technical and chemical expertise amongst the allies was fairly evenhanded. Those that left for the US got the better deal though and were accepted and for a time at least protected. France got as many jet experts as the US did...Soviets, UK had their share, the US was by no means alone in the exploitation of Nazi human resources.

Those companies, without whom the Nazi war machine would have puttered not roared, in the US suffered little or no punishment for their investment in the eventual enemy. They undoubtably reaped significant rewards and benefitted from the German use of slave labour and the profits of genocide. Those companies today own the US government, so yes I agree with you, in a sense the 'Nazis' did not lose the war, the German people alone did.



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Yea, the thought of Hitler, Himmler, Goebells, and Mendala running the world is just awesome..