Bosnian Pyramid Update

Originally posted by Essan

Originally posted by Donner
Is it just me or does anyone notice a frightening lack of... well... control in this 'excavation'?

Exactly.

I suspect that no small, datable objects are being looked for because they would completely destroy the pyramid theory. Even the stones with inscriptions on them (which should immediately tell us the age of them) have just been casually removed and placed out of context on the ground.

Lets just hope it isn't really an 8,000 or 12,000 year old pyramid from an unknown culture. Because if it is Osmanagic will have been responsible for the greatest act of vandalism and destruction in archaeological history....

Ok first of all the pyramid is located on Bosnian soil therefor it belongs to them. They can do whatever they want to it. If the people want to excavate it themself then be it so.
And I pray to God that it dates back to that time. If it does i will not be all in your face about it, because people like you are not worth it.

Edited for censor circumvention and offensive comment


[edit on 28-4-2006 by masqua]

Originally posted by theTRUTHtheWAY

Ok first of all the pyramid is located on Bosnian soil therefor it belongs to them. They can do whatever they want to it and you nor any other moron can do @%$& about it. So I suggets you keep your mouth shut and keep your non sense comments to yourself. If the people want to excavate it themself then be it so.
And I pray to God that it dates back to that time. If it does i will not be all in your face about it, because people like you are not worth it.

alright, this is one of the most ignorant posts i have seen on this site. i strongly disagree with essan's view on this one, but you dont see me berating him or anyone else because i disagree, do you? your post is downright childish and completely demonizes those who have simply given their opinion without berating anyone else.

i think this should be pursued until they prove one way or another whether this is, in fact, an actual pyramid. but i'm not going to attack essan or anyone else who disagrees. maybe if you took the time to see what kind of knowledge some of the people you are belittling have, you might find that they have a very strong scientific background and might actually know what they are talking about.



[edit on 28-4-2006 by snafu7700]

Calm down will ya?!

Well I am very much exited about this!

For me this might be the evidence of extraterrestrial life existance.

[edit on 28-4-2006 by sedna_]

Originally posted by theTRUTHtheWAY

Originally posted by Essan
...I suspect that no small, datable objects are being looked for because they would completely destroy the pyramid theory. Even the stones with inscriptions on them (which should immediately tell us the age of them) have just been casually removed and placed out of context on the ground.....

Ok first of all the pyramid is located on Bosnian soil therefor it belongs to them. They can do whatever they want to it and you nor any other moron can do @%$& about it. So I suggets you keep your mouth shut and keep your non sense comments to yourself. If the people want to excavate it themself then be it so.
And I pray to God that it dates back to that time. If it does i will not be all in your face about it, because people like you are not worth it.

Truth,
There is no "pyramid" under that dirt. Osmanagic is gathering material for another one of his idiotic pseudoscience books that sell to the drooling mouthbreathers like hotcakes (sound familiar?)
Note:

He claims it is one of five pyramids in the area (along with what he calls the pyramids of the Moon, Earth, and Dragon, plus another that hasn't been named in any account I've seen). These, he says, resemble the 1,800-year-old pyramids at Teotihuacan, just north of Mexico City. Osmanagic maintains that the largest is bigger than the pyramid of Khufu at Giza, and that the Bosnian pyramids date to 12,000 B.C.

Construction of massive pyramids in Bosnia at that period is not believable. Curtis Runnels, a specialist in the prehistory of Greece and the Balkans at Boston University, notes that "Between 27,000 and 12,000 years ago, the Balkans were locked in the last Glacial maximum, a period of very cold and dry climate with glaciers in some of the mountain ranges. The only occupants were Upper Paleolithic hunters and gatherers who left behind open-air camp sites and traces of occupation in caves. These remains consist of simple stone tools, hearths, and remains of animals and plants that were consumed for food. These people did not have the tools or skills to engage in the construction of monumental architecture."

Source
Osmanagic's opinions cannot be trusted at all, his motivation is monetary only, and that at any expense. Here's a brief passage from one of his stupid books on the Mayan civilization:

With this we come to the second Frenchman I want to discuss: Dr. Augustus Le Plongeon (1825-1908). After having travelled around all the known world, he made the Yucatan the focal-point of his life...

Le Plongeon also studied the language of the local Indians and their culture. He listened to their stories and participated in the shaman rituals. He concluded that their knowledge of the occult came from the distant past. Their ritual customs were identical to the initiations in Ancient Egypt. Since Le Plongeon was himself a Mason he was surprised to discover Mason customs and Mason symbols in the sculptures of the Maya. (Le Plongeon, “Sacred Mysteries Among the Mayas and the Quiches”, 1887)...

...Augustus Le Plongeon used his knowledge to translate the Tro Codex. In the following passage a description is given of the end of the Mu civilization in the Pacific.

“In the sixth year of Kan, the 11th of Mulua, the month of Zac, terrible earthquakes struck, which went on until the 13th of Cheen. The land of Mu was lost. Twice lifted and lowered again into the water, finally one night it sank for good. The volcanic forces shook the water, flooding the dry land in various places. Ten lands in the end sank beneath the water. Sixty-four million people perished… 8060 years before the writing of this book. (Le Plongeon, Alice and Augustus, “Queen Moo and the Eastern Sphynx”).

It is supposed that the Mayan Codexes were written 3500 years ago. With the 8000 years prior to the writing of the Codex, we would have 11,500 years ago – the time of the sinking of Atlantis. Cosmic and natural cataclysms clearly led to this end of civilization as well – that of the great Pacific islands which were the land of Mu.

Since such conclusions contradicted the accepted doctrines Le Plongeon’s credibility was challenged and the scientific community rejected him as they had Abbot Brasseur...
...After his death, his wife Alice announced that her husband had hidden valuable maps which showed underground caves and rooms in which Mayan documents had been hidden. Will they ever be re-discovered to reveal more of the real truth of the Maya?

This bogus codex "translation" has been talked to death right here at ATS. Anyone interested in the subject at all can easily find out that LePlongen didn't know what he was doing. Yet Osmanagic uses him for a reference?

Yeah, right, he's some archaeologist. Essan is right, this guy doesn't want to find any datable relics.


[edit on 4/28/2006 by Harte]

Ok first of all the pyramid is located on Bosnian soil therefor it belongs to them. They can do whatever they want to it and you nor any other moron can do @%$& about it. So I suggets you keep your mouth shut and keep your non sense comments to yourself. If the people want to excavate it themself then be it so.
And I pray to God that it dates back to that time. If it does i will not be all in your face about it, because people like you are not worth it.

Wow, for someone named "The Truth the Way", you sure let loose one vicious verbal attack at someone for simply pointing out the facts of this excavation and the conclusion that they most likely lead to.

Harte:

If you look at the air photo of that "mountain", you can clearly see what appears to be a ramp leading off of one side of it, gently sloping downward into the valley. This is a standard method for moving large boulders from a quarry up to a specific location on a pyramid. Some of the Egyptian pyramids are believed to have been built in this very way, but with the ramps removed. To me, this is a tell-tale sign that this is a pyramid, and cannot be anything else. Sorry.

All of that said, I don't believe for a minute that this pyramid is Egyptian in nature. It strikes me as odd that we're finding these immense structures located all around the globe, and they all exhibit the same basic building plans, with similar purposes, or so we have come to believe anyway. My theory on it is that all of the pyramids are a marker of an origin of a specific civilization, and they all started at around the same time. These structures were left behind as a reminder to the peoples that inhabited that area of their ancestry. However, over time, that knowledge was lost due to wars, or altering of the historical record.

All of the pyramids seem to date to around the same timeframe in history, which has lead me to the conlcusion that these structures were collectively planned, and coordinated by a massive, world-wide communications system. I don't know if Atlantis existed, but I suspect that there was a means of communicating over long distances that we have long forgotten. It's also possible that we could simply have lost that knowledge due to the entities that helped us build them leaving us here. Which leads me to the other possible conclusion that Alien life brought us here to colonize a planet. It's a possibility that not many want to believe because of their orthodox religious beliefs, but it can be explained in terms that fit right in with all of the biblical/religious history that we have right now.

But, that's all for another thread. This is about whether this new pyramid is really a pyramid, and I think it is.

TheBorg

Thank you, for picking up on this - up to my humble view - revealing finding. There is more to be expected in the near future on that topic - on pyramids and other ancient artefacts. See as well:

GIANTIC EGGSHAPED ANCIENT ARTEFACTS BURIED IN IRAQ?
www.abovetopsecret.com...

...and ...


THE "MYSTERY" OF THE ARK AND IT'S SUPRESSION BY THE ptb
FarSight3 -- Sunday, 24 April 2005, 3:33 p.m.
www.rumormillnews.com...


...along with what all is stated in that whole thread.

It's labeled as "Magic" only what Science cannot explain with their "instruments" at the time being....

Far Sight 3

Wow, Kudos, i think its great that we have members in Bosnia who are sharing those great pictures - thanks guys!

I think this is very interesting, the uneven shape of the walls could be down to non-uniform covering by dirt, perhaps one side faces the predominant wind direction and thus gets more dirt built up over time. it certainly seems different in construction and size to many other pyramids, i heard it is 2000ft taller than the pyramid of Giza, can anyone confirm this?

Originally posted by Periphery
, i heard it is 2000ft taller than the pyramid of Giza, can anyone confirm this?

I think the hill itself is about 650m high - a little over 2,000ft. That's presumably its height above sea level and the height of the valley from which it rise has to be taken into account.

According to Osmanagic the 'pyramid' itself is about 220m high.

I think that there is something there because the vegetation is different, that is common way of searching for underground things.

But only one of the supposed faces of the "pyramid" is really flat, the other "sides" look like normal hill sides, so I do not think they will find a pyramid.

On another note, why do we have 2 threads with the same subject, wasn’t this one enough?

Hello all,

Le Plongeon does not deserve BLIND ATTACKS BY IGNORANT PEOPLE, who google their way through life, using books as door-stops.

Augustus Le Plongeon, author of Queen Moo and the Egyptian Sphinx and Sacred Mysteries Among the Mayas And the Quiches, among others, was an exceptional researcher.

Le Plongeon (reproduced here from Queen Moo) was a member of the California Academe of Sciences, he was a pioneer in microscopic research, he was a corresponding member of Geographical Societies of the United States Europe, Central and South America.

He and his wife spent 12 years in the Yucatan with the Mayan people, learning their language, discovering and translating the sepulcher of the Royal Kan Coe, and creating the first Maya dictionary.

I sincerely hope that members of ATS know that one of the above posters - has never read the material he is so ignorantly attacking!

bc
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Isn't that itself rather an ignorant statement Jim? How do you know what books folk have read?

Hello all,

I have read both of Augustus Le Plongeon's books, Queen Moo and the Egyptian Sphinx and Sacred Mysteries Among the Mayas And the Quiches, and I have read the nonsensical attacks (from both sides of the Atlantic) by agenda driven orthodoxy.

Augustus Le Plongeon's work is scholarly and well thought out .. and anyone on this forum who has to google their way to attack him, deserves a white jacket that ties in the back.

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Originally posted by beforebc
Le Plongeon does not deserve BLIND ATTACKS BY IGNORANT PEOPLE, who google their way through life, using books as door-stops.

LePlongeon endured far worse "attacks" in his day that that which you perceive to be an attack in my previous post.

I merely said LePlongeon had no idea what he was doing in his interpretations if Mayan glyphs. This position is comfirmed by every single person on Earth that knows anything of the subject. After all, the glyphs have since been translated. Yet the pseudoscientist Osmanagic pretends otherwise, in order to, as I said, separate fools from their money.

To my knowledge, LePlongeon never "translated" the Madrid Codex. He did "attempt" it, apparently, as did quite a few others, based on a published alphabet that was devised by Abbé Charles-Étienne Brasseur de Bourbourg The Abbe later realized that his "alphabet" and hence his "translation" was absolutely erroneous.
LePlongeon's theory of cultural diffusion from the Americas was put forward before the Egyptian timeline was solved. At the time, it seemed just as likely as any other idea, at least for the first few years it was out there. Later in his life, LePlongeon's ideas were refuted by discoveries in Egypt.

Originally posted by beforebc
Augustus Le Plongeon, author of Queen Moo and the Egyptian Sphinx and Sacred Mysteries Among the Mayas And the Quiches, among others, was an exceptional researcher.

No, he was an exceptional photographer. That was his only contribution to the field.

Originally posted by beforebc
Le Plongeon (reproduced here from Queen Moo) was a member of the California Academe of Sciences, he was a pioneer in microscopic research, he was a corresponding member of Geographical Societies of the United States Europe, Central and South America.

I am a member of the Planetary Society. Am I a rocket scientist?

Originally posted by beforebc
He and his wife spent 12 years in the Yucatan with the Mayan people, learning their language, discovering and translating the sepulcher of the Royal Kan Coe, and creating the first Maya dictionary.

No translation occured. LePlongeon "interpreted" certain murals in a way that agreed with his (admitted) preconceived notions about diffusion. Notions he held prior to his ever first setting foot in Central America.

Originally posted by beforebc
I sincerely hope that members of ATS know that one of the above posters - has never read the material he is so ignorantly attacking!

There never was a "Queen Moo." Why would I read a book about her that was based on erroneous information?

References for anyone interested:
Archaeoplanet Scroll down for LePlongeon
Of Facts and hearsay: Bringing...LePlongeon into focus
A Dream of Maya: Augustus and Alice LePlongeon in 19th Century Yucatan
From Chapter 4 of the last link:

Alice and Augustus studied and began to copy what remained of the murals within the Upper Temple room. They showed vivid scenes of village life, religious events, warfare, and rulers...
He thought it provided the key to the diffusion of Maya civilization. For him the murals were evidence of actual history, rather than myth, as found in other cultures.*** Augustus felt he had found the source of other civilizations and worldwide mythology...

An eagle, which he identified as a macaw, became the symbol for a Maya princess, one of the central characters. She became "Queen Moo," after the Maya word for "macaw." Her brother was named "powerful warrior," or "Prince Chacmool," a reference to the jaguar whose spots appeared on a shield in the mural, and in bas-reliefs on the side of the temple.

Through intrigue and murder, according to his interpretation, Queen Moo was forced to flee to Egypt. On her arrival she was recognized as a long-lost sister, thus proving, as far as Le Plongeon was concerned, that Egyptian civilization had been originated by the ancient Maya.

More references:
The only four Mayan Codices ever found
Augustus LePlongeon: A Fall From Archaeological Grace
Link to one of the ATS threads I mentioned in an earlier post - The Vagabond's excellent debunking of the Lost Continent of MU from 2004 Scroll down to The Vagabond's post - the post ID number isn't showing, for whatever reason.

Harte

Originally posted by beforebc
Hello all,

I have read both of Augustus Le Plongeon's books, Queen Moo and the Egyptian Sphinx and Sacred Mysteries Among the Mayas And the Quiches, and I have read the nonsensical attacks (from both sides of the Atlantic) by agenda driven orthodoxy.

Isn't it even more nonsensical to assume that Le Plongeon was 100% correct and everyone else is totally wrong?

Your argument seems to be that anyone presenting evidence against Le Plongeon's theories is making an unjustified attack on him.

But by the same criteria, you're making totally unjustifiable attacks on hundreds of reputable scientists whose theories differ from yours.....

I've been reading some rumors that the Egyptian "pyramid experts" in Bosnia have concluded that the hill is indeed a pyramid. I was wondering whether anyone has any information on this or a link to a statement or press release.

people it is truth

today egyptian expert ali abdulah berekat confirmed da bosnian hill is a pyramid, he said that stone blocks are man made, not natural

yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah


moon pyramid











Berekat with Osmanagich

berekat is geologist and expert on pyramids at university in egypt

Originally posted by niv
I've been reading some rumors that the Egyptian "pyramid experts" in Bosnia have concluded that the hill is indeed a pyramid. I was wondering whether anyone has any information on this or a link to a statement or press release.

For those that are interested, I found the [url=http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=scienceNews&storyID=2006-05-17T172418Z_01_L17312670_RTRUKOC_0_US-BOSNIA-PYRAMID.xml]article[/ url] that i was looking for.

Edit: For some reason the link didn't show properly. If interested, copy and paste.

[edit on 17-5-2006 by niv]

Not sure why the link isn't working. Dropping the url BBcode helped, but I got a 'story no longer available' message.

Try this link

By Daria Sito-Sucic

VISOKO, Bosnia (Reuters) - An Egyptian geologist said on Wednesday that a hill in central Bosnia appeared to be a primitive man-made pyramid of uncertain age.

Geologist Aly Abd Barakat was sent by Egypt's government to join the local team researching what Bosnian-born amateur archaeologist Semir Osmanagic says are three 12,000-year-old pyramids -- the Bosnian Pyramids of Sun, Moon and Dragon.

"In my opinion, it is a type of pyramid, probably primitive pyramid...(that) we did not know until now," Barakat told reporters at the dig on the northeastern side of Visocica hill, where huge stone blocks have been found.



"It is difficult for nature to create blocks like this and oriented in one orientation," he said, pointing to compact polished blocks.

He added that sand layers between the blocks were the same type of artificial cement used in ancient Egyptian pyramids.

[edit on 17-5-2006 by masqua]