USA vs North Korea

Originally posted by namehere

Originally posted by gookingthe entire population would take up arms.

how if their all sick or dying from a nuclear attack? anyways if there is a war, im sure japan will be bombing NK targets before the US even declares war.

I doubt the u.s. would nuke the entire country.

Japan may have the capabilities to bomb north korean targets but they won't do so unless they find out that n.korea will attack them first. If the second korean war does come then the north koreans would be more interested in reuniting the penninsula then launching missles at japan (unless they are aiming for u.s. bases, which i also doubt).

It seems that people think that japan would have an easy time beating them, but that won't be true. Their troops haven't fought a war after ww2 but n. and s. korea fought at least two other wars after the korean war and they proved to be combat worthy and vicious. The japanese military/self-defense force won't do as much damage to korea as they did before and during ww2 even if they wanted to because their military/self-defense force isn't as strong and back then they didn't have to deal with a strong korean army (they took control politically and disbanded the korean army).

Originally posted by gooking
It would hurt the relationship with japan and south korea who don't want the u.s. to start a pre-emptive strike, it's not even close to being a perfect candidate.


The north korean training standard is very high, they can on average wipe the floor with the south korean soldier (who btw have a very fierce repution in the post korean war).


If a war does come between n.korea and the u.s. then it would be a bad idea to use even a small tactical nuke.
One reason is that many South Koreans would be angry that we just nuked their brothers and sisters and poisened parts of their land for centuries to come. The other reason is that the Korean people are xenophobic and a proud race, using nukes against them is like saying "Here we come we are going to kill anyone we see men,women and child." and the entire population would take up arms.

Japan would be all for the US attacking Japan,most Japanese over here are sweating it out at the constant threats that come from NK over the TV.

And the NK Army may be large put they have very poor training in my opinion and dont have a half as good Soldier as the South Koreans.
I have seen the SK anti terrorist units in action and they are well trained well equipped and dont mess around.
The NKs are nowhere as good,and the US and UK forces training would put them to shame.

I do agree that nuking NK would be a mistake,but that said if the death toll for the US was going to be so high I wouldnt nuke them but I would bomb them sensless and then run the troops in there to sponge up the rest.

I can guarantee if NK had OIL the US would have attacked them long ago......
NK has nothing to offer the US,if they seized NK what would they do with it??
You would have a country with 1000s of brainwashed NKs mouning the loss of their Tupee wearing pajama leader.....

I sure as # wouldnt be mourning though....

As for US to concentrate on the americas, I more or less agree with you. The US need to stop interfearing in some areas for example the Middle East. But more military resources should be used to wage the war on drugs IE raiding colombian drug factories or storming palaces. But some places of the world would prob need US protection like South Korea and Japan.

Originally posted by ROGUE

Japan would be all for the US attacking Japan,most Japanese over here are sweating it out at the constant threats that come from NK over the TV.

And the NK Army may be large put they have very poor training in my opinion and dont have a half as good Soldier as the South Koreans.
I have seen the SK anti terrorist units in action and they are well trained well equipped and dont mess around.
The NKs are nowhere as good,and the US and UK forces training would put them to shame.

I do agree that nuking NK would be a mistake,but that said if the death toll for the US was going to be so high I wouldnt nuke them but I would bomb them sensless and then run the troops in there to sponge up the rest.

I can guarantee if NK had OIL the US would have attacked them long ago......
NK has nothing to offer the US,if they seized NK what would they do with it??
You would have a country with 1000s of brainwashed NKs mouning the loss of their Tupee wearing pajama leader.....

I sure as # wouldnt be mourning though....

I agree with most of what you said, i have seen how the tough south korean troops train too on their military training videos (though i am skeptical of some of their techinques like somersaulting in mid air and landing in full split while shooting a gun.) and know of their awesome reputation in vietnam. Interesting stuff they have there, but every single korean i spoke with about the subject told me that n.korean soldier are better trained then they are and that is why they had to have such a high standard. Even korean movies like shiri and comrade/double agent seem to show how superior n.korean soldiers are.



I heard something similar about japan before, someone said that the japanese are afraid of n.korea and that they had to go so much threats from n.k. that they don't even care what south koreans think anymore. We should expect even more problems between the two if they can't agree.


I don't think many south koreans would mourn kim jong il's death either, but they can't handle the 22 milllion starving,crying, brainwahed n.koreans and it's going to be a nightmare for them. I think thats why they would rather wait for reunification then now.


You said that you watched the anti-terrorist in action, were they in a combat exercise with u.s. troops? And did they actually land in full split in the exercise? I don't mean any offense it's a serious ques., I just can't see that happening in a real situation, no matter how good their reputation or kill ratio is.



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I mean why waste time on that while they can do so much better if they train a little more realistically. I could be wrong, maybe it does work and i don't understand
it correctly.

I say if that pudgy little imp likes nukes so much let's show him some up real close!

Ha ha ha the SK forces have got some very "Flashy" crap I will give you that...
I havent seen the "Spilts" thats hilariarous!!
I am pretty sure all their H2H is all TKD and Hapkido so with the TKD they have to be flexible to do all of its areial ballet...ha ha.

And recently I saw a very good bit of footage of the SKs teams during the Commonwealth Games or Olympic Games I cant remember which but thy were very fuctional and well equipped they looked good.
Bit like a dark clad version of GSG9...

And movies are not the best source for info evrything is glamourised,as I am sure you know.

And I stand strong on the NK troops being not the best. As far as I know they dont even have a decent SAM for Infantry units.
Which will punch a big hole in their tactical air defence during mobile offensive oprations. I think they still use the old *SA-7s which would be good for dropping the old Sea King helecopters out of the sky or similar airborne piston driven barges...

*SA-7


The US would plaster them....
Just drop this guy in...
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Hey, I started this exact thread a real long time ago. But great minds do think alike.

Anyway, I tink that Nuclear war will never happen. Even if we are nuked. Personally I think that only a terrorist would use a nuke now that most powers have them. It is MAD (mutually assured destruction), only terrorists want that. Countries will never just start nuking things cause that is suicide.

But in terms of NK, they will throw everything they got. I think that they are one of the only scenarios like this.

I think that a war with the NK would start a potential Cold War with China.

The infamous black uniforms! It's fun to watch these guys train. I wished I had a video of them training (the other video belong to someone else), they always look good with the uniform and their movements are fluid (relaxed tension not stiff,real tense, or jerky motions like other soldiers) which is also good for the speed of your reflexes, of course underneath all that "flashy" techniques they are truely terrifying soldiers. I'm glad we agreed on something.



Omega1

Thanks for the comment north korea will throw everything they got, the koreans are known to be desperate before in other wars. They are after all xenophobic, not all of them but enough of them that they would fight hard. I know that they have some sort of "kamikaze" boat drivers that would go after large navy ships hoping they would cause enough casualties for the public opinion calling for withdraw of all u.s. forces from korea. I think that would be more effective
for them then using nukes.

I don't think it would cause a cold war with china, they want a nuclear free korea as much as the u.s. do, I don't know why though probably bad for tourism. The problem only came from n.korea and pres.bush (after the "axis of evil" speech despite the warnings from former sk pres. kim dae jung, and the lies he made saying that the u.s. kept all their agreements with the north). They keep spreading lies and propaganda as if that would solve the problem.

Originally posted by Cearbhall
I think we should have a joint conference and political meetings with the UN to get the NKs to back off and cease their nuclear exploitation. If the UN backs the US and other nations like Japan, the option of disarming them gets more clout.

Fulcrum,
Chill man, lets get copasetic. When you get angry like this you look silly and really don't contribute to the topic. Focus bro, focus.

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I agree we should definitely looked toward the US disarming first...!!!

I agree we should definitely looked toward the US disarming first...!!!

Koka,
The US isn't making anymore ballisitic missles, we are disarming, it takes time you know.

What gives the United States the right to say who can have nuclear weapons and who can't? The more you tell them not to the more they will I say let them build their intercontinental rockets. I bet most of them would never even make it over the pacific...

I look at it from this stand point. We(the us) have the most highly trained, decorated, and motivated military in the world. We also spend more money on our military(something like around 250 billion annually) then most countries have as the entire economic budget. This is a big investment, not only monetarily, but also in man power. which means that our soldiers lives arent expendable. Yes, when u join the military u must assume that u could go to war and that is your job. Thats what u are trained to do, and yes u must assume that u could very well die. that is why i believe that using tactical nuclear weapons would be the only choice in a war with North Korea. Eastern Ideals are very different from western. I believe theirs to be vulgor and uncivilized, not to mention the country is communist. this is why i think that if north korea had the oppurtunity or resources to attack us they would. if this ever should happen then there would be 2 probable outcomes. the first, nk attacks first with nuclear weapons and we give it back ten fold thus ending all known civilization. the second we strike first and forever have a bad reputation. its a lose lose situation. I just juss hope that their economy falls apart like all other communist countries have done or (china)are doing at the moment. if that trend continues, then maybe will get out of this unscathed

Originally posted by TB
I look at it from this stand point. We(the us) have the most highly trained, decorated, and motivated military in the world. We also spend more money on our military(something like around 250 billion annually) then most countries have as the entire economic budget. This is a big investment, not only monetarily, but also in man power. which means that our soldiers lives arent expendable. Yes, when u join the military u must assume that u could go to war and that is your job. Thats what u are trained to do, and yes u must assume that u could very well die. that is why i believe that using tactical nuclear weapons would be the only choice in a war with North Korea. Eastern Ideals are very different from western. I believe theirs to be vulgor and uncivilized, not to mention the country is communist. this is why i think that if north korea had the oppurtunity or resources to attack us they would. if this ever should happen then there would be 2 probable outcomes. the first, nk attacks first with nuclear weapons and we give it back ten fold thus ending all known civilization. the second we strike first and forever have a bad reputation. its a lose lose situation. I just juss hope that their economy falls apart like all other communist countries have done or (china)are doing at the moment. if that trend continues, then maybe will get out of this unscathed

Uncivilized? maybe vulgor to us, but their ideals aren't uncivilized. I enjoyed my stay here the people I met were friendly and self-disiplined and the children and women don't have to worry about kidnappings or rape when they go out late at night (It does happen but you would have a greater chance of dying watching your television). Would an uncivilized people value disipline and restraint? Would they enjoy low-crime rate in their cities? btw the crime rate in south korea more than doubled from the first time I visited to the last time. The increase of the crime rate was the result of westernization. Western Ideals had lead to the dramatic increase.

I fully believe that the U.S. could defeat the NK, 1 on 1. But, the way I see it is, if the U.S. or NK aren't careful they'll drag a lot more countries into this, perhaps causing WW3. Something like this:

Starts off U.S. vs NK. NK pulls China in, U.S. gets Britain.

Nows its: U.S./Britain vs NK/China

Next we pull Russia,Germany,and maybe the Aussies into the pot, maybe even Japan would break the agreement they had. This would, in my opinion, ultimately start a WW3.

My 2 cents

-wD

US could lose if North Korea get China and Russia. most middle eastern country would be against US and Nato would be with US with australia. this would become world war 3

Originally posted by FULCRUM
From what i hear and see..

Capitalism corrupts peoples minds, souls and bodys much more than Communism..

Communism is ORDER, Capitalism is CHAOS.. DISORDER..

Communism is the most murderous ideology ever visited upon humanity. Why don't you read up Stalin or Mao or Paul Pot or the "Dear Leader" in NK.

Communism is responsible for perhaps 100 million deaths in the last century.

Communism = death.

The only sensible way to deal with North Korea is to bomb the crap out of them and let the South Koreans clean up the mess. They'd love it.

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
The only sensible way to deal with North Korea is to bomb the crap out of them and let the South Koreans clean up the mess. They'd love it.

I was thinking the same thing about the US, and Isreal for that matter - but here is the rub - when expecting others to be reasonable and rational, it is important that we remain reasonable and rational. Wouldn't you agree? Bombing the crap out of anything is neither reasonable or rational, besides, hasn't that been tried with Iraq and shown to fail misearably?

NK is a nutjob, no doubt about it, but sending in another nutjob is only going to compound problems.