Pyramids at Giza were there BEFORE the Egyptians got there.

EdenKaia:

Well, all of that information is very interesting. However, I have a couple questions for you. It's been said that the Great Pyramid took some 20 years to make, and that there were around 100,000 slaves working on it. If the calculations on the numbers of blocks is correct, that would mean that there would have to have been a block laid every two minutes for the entire time that the pyramid was under construction. If that's so, how could they have quarried all of the rock, cut it so finely that a piece of paper can't even fit in between them, and placed them, all within the very limited time constraints that they had?

ADDENDUM:
According to www.virtual-egypt.com..., the Great Pyramid was built between the years 2589BC and 2566BC. That's a mere 23 years to do everything from quarrying the rock to laying it in position. I find it very hard to believe that the timeline given is anywhere near accurate, as the mathematical calculations cannot work for it. I guess what I'd like to know is have there been any suitable studies done that show how it's possible to have done this monumental a task in such a short time?

Any information or links would be much appreciated.

TheBorg

Originally posted by TheBorg

I have a couple questions for you. It's been said that the Great Pyramid took some 20 years to make, and that there were around 100,000 slaves working on it. If the calculations on the numbers of blocks is correct, that would mean that there would have to have been a block laid every two minutes for the entire time that the pyramid was under construction.

Well, this seems to me to be a fairly obvious question. No matter what theory you want to use as to how the Great Pyramid was constructed, two minutes seems a bit unlikely doesn't it? So, either this was possible(which I agree is unlikely, or the more obvious and relevant alternative is the answer....the dating is off.

2. Its the only pyramid to have chambers above ground.
Thats not entirely true, ground-penetrating radar has found numerous tombs/cavities under other pyramids around the world. Mainly aged structure prevents us from opening them. -but this still has nothing to do with it being there before the egyptians.

3. Of all the pyramids only the Great Pyramid has "air shafts"
That is true, and it still hasnt been answeared why they are there.

5. The 3 major pyramids are aligned with orions belt.
That is true, but not in this date and time. They align with this constelation at 25000BC...way before they were built.

7. The Great Pyramid is at the center of the land mass of the earth.
How is this so? wouldent the 'center' of physical lasndmass be the center of the earth?

reguarding my answear to question 5, i think the plans for these structures were drawn up long before the egyptians got there, there was a massive book written on this but i cant think of the author; when i think his name ill post it up. He was one of the main speakers in the Secret KGB Abdution Files series, and talks about what we are here.

See here.

I, like Byrd, like many others, have gone over it all before. The search function is your friend, your friend. You might want to read over them before starting new threads, because damn it's boring to constantly repost the same information once a week. Have that person shut up and then another person join and repeat for weeks on end.

Originally posted by Odium
See here.

I, like Byrd, like many others, have gone over it all before. The search function is your friend, your friend. You might want to read over them before starting new threads, because damn it's boring to constantly repost the same information once a week. Have that person shut up and then another person join and repeat for weeks on end.

Seriously, Odium. Why bother? I went to your thread, and I am impressed with the amount of thought you have clearly given the topic. Lehner's name is one I know well, and he may be the top expert on Giza in the world. Still, though we may not agree on how or when the great pyramid was built, we looked into it ourselves. I started in on it more than casually around the mid 80's. The early pyramidophiles' works are my favourites. They spent decades poring over every inch, in amazement. I can't see the kite thing, though in combo with a wet road... maybe. I prefer harmonics. Like a subwoofer making a cd case move across a dashboard. They may have used drums, horns, chants, and concentration to move them, even to cut them. I don't buy Khufu, Khafre as builders though. I just am not convinced. We agree it was not a tomb. Thanks for your insight, and if the people who refuse to do their own research, and want the information just laid out for them, get on your nerves, do what I do. Tell them to do their own homework. They really should anyway.

Originally posted by firebat
Perhaps the pyramids aren't aligned with Orion's Belt...

But I've got a documentary sitting around somewhere about the KGB UFO files etc, Roger Moore hosted it.... I'm sure many of you are familiar with it, as it's been brought up on ATS before.

Anyway, in the documentary they showed the night-sky as it is now, over the three pyramids. Then, they shifted it around... arranged it so that it fit what they think the night-sky looked like, thousands upon thousands of years ago. And according to them, the pyramids WERE aligned with the belt, at one point in history.

Can anyone else confirm this, aside from using the documentary as evidence?

Actaully they are. The Great Pyramid, it two smaller pyramids, and the outlying pyramids, make up EXACTLY the whole Orion constellation, mirrored on the ground, as the Orion system was 12,000+ years ago.

The year mentioned was approximately 10,500 BCE. We don't know this date to be accurate, mostly because all of the instrumentation we have isn't that good at pinning down an exact year. It's possible that it could be off by as much as 100 years or more I think. Point is that it was a LONG time before the current history says that it was created.

TheBorg

Originally posted by TheBorg
EdenKaia:

Well, all of that information is very interesting. However, I have a couple questions for you. It's been said that the Great Pyramid took some 20 years to make, and that there were around 100,000 slaves working on it. If the calculations on the numbers of blocks is correct, that would mean that there would have to have been a block laid every two minutes for the entire time that the pyramid was under construction. If that's so, how could they have quarried all of the rock, cut it so finely that a piece of paper can't even fit in between them, and placed them, all within the very limited time constraints that they had?

ADDENDUM:
According to www.virtual-egypt.com..., the Great Pyramid was built between the years 2589BC and 2566BC. That's a mere 23 years to do everything from quarrying the rock to laying it in position. I find it very hard to believe that the timeline given is anywhere near accurate, as the mathematical calculations cannot work for it. I guess what I'd like to know is have there been any suitable studies done that show how it's possible to have done this monumental a task in such a short time?

Any information or links would be much appreciated.

TheBorg

From what I understand, the speculation is, is that the Pharoehs had the pyramids "renovated". Some of the inner block were quarried from around the Sphinx (which was built 12,000 years ago). Soooooo seeing the pramid now after 4000 years.... 10,000 bc - 2600 bc = 7400 years, just imagine how the pyramids must have looked... twice as bad as they do now. This scenerio is more believeable, besides, logistically 100,000 people in that small of an area, laying huge blocks every 2 minutes??? They wouldn't be able to move, the Egyptians would be SO crammed together!!

Originally posted by firebat
Perhaps the pyramids aren't aligned with Orion's Belt...

But I've got a documentary sitting around somewhere about the KGB UFO files etc, Roger Moore hosted it.... I'm sure many of you are familiar with it, as it's been brought up on ATS before.

Anyway, in the documentary they showed the night-sky as it is now, over the three pyramids. Then, they shifted it around... arranged it so that it fit what they think the night-sky looked like, thousands upon thousands of years ago. And according to them, the pyramids WERE aligned with the belt, at one point in history.

Can anyone else confirm this, aside from using the documentary as evidence?

NOTE TO ANYONE WHO BELIEVES OTHERWISE... the Great and lesser pyramids ARE lined up to Orions belt... pre 10,000 bc!! And you don't even have to "mokey" with the evidence.

"The records within this tomb are as near endless as time itself and had all these discs and plates been photographed, instead of the mere 2,700 that were taken, we may now have been able to conquer the many fears that befall every man. We may have gained enough basic knowledge to now prolong our total demise, changed the lifestyle of all those on earth, prevented the massive starvation now engulfing the world, found cures for cancer and other ills that plague mankind and eventual accomplished a new race of greedless people. Had we dug deeper with more photographs, we may have discovered the secret of the anti-gravitational machine, perfected the laser for our new and improved society, accomplished terrestrial travel, produced tiny wafers that would supply a multitude with the proper nutrition thus preventing hunger among the needy, and last but far from least, we may have found a sound use for telekinesis and teleportation.

What you have read in these preceding pages is not only the basic truths of the expedition, but only a brief scanning of the overall data retrieved. Since our Pyramid is evidence of our past - and can never be duplicated, we can actually say that Noah's Ark, the UFO's and Atlantis fit this same category of the higher technologies of the once advanced civilizations who inhabited our earth. Therefore, if these basic truths are now visible, how could one deny the contents of this tomb or the fact that such a tomb exists. It is not all that difficult to imagine the technologies of our ancients - in a comparison to ours. Their advancement was based on supreme knowledge handed down for millions of years - while our advancement is based on the bodies we must tramp upon to gain just a minor degree of advancement.

www.galactic-server.net...

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I wonder if any of the expeditions on that page can be verified as having actually taken place? If so, it would validate at least that someone went there, and they recovered something. I'm just flabbergasted that they'd let this information disappear like that, whether by outside influence or not. It's just not acceptable. Anyway, any chance of validation on this?

Very interesting I'd say, especially the discs that were recovered with the history of past civilizations.

TheBorg

**Edited for notes below.**

Why is it that in every case of something of this magnitude being found, does it ALWAYS seem to end up "lost" or "misplaced", or even "destroyed"? I find that as a little too convenient an excuse to be using with something so immense.

If this whole finding be true, then those records should have been duplicated several hundred times, and scattered to the 4 corners of the Earth for safekeeping. Little things like this keep me from believing them usually, but I'm going to wait and see what comes of this before I make my final verdict.

[edit on 30-7-2006 by TheBorg]

Interesting find Allred

Led me to links I have been looking for

Thanks

Originally posted by lostinspace
Here's a theory to sink your teeth into:


The father of the ancient Egyptians and the African race was known as Ham from the Hebrew legends. Ham could have been known as Chamu Chufu to the Egyptians. Ham was possibly an expert in the field of astronomy until the day of his death. I have reason to believe that the three pyramids of Egypt were built to his wishes, aligned with Orion's Belt, but not according to the "Belt" we see today. The three pyramids are markers aligned with Orion's Belt as they were positioned before the Great Deluge. The planet changed its axis while the world was over flowing with rain. The reason why the axis had to change was because the solar system lost one primary planet next door to Earth.

quite possibly when it was hit by nibiru, due to return in 2012...

I'll bite....

home.c2i.net...

nm...

[edit on 30-7-2006 by jprophet420]

Originally posted by jprophet420
nm...

[edit on 30-7-2006 by jprophet420]

And I bet you read "All of it?" jProphet420, "Go away!!!"

U2U sent

[edit on 30-7-2006 by masqua]

Originally posted by TheBorg
According to www.virtual-egypt.com..., the Great Pyramid was built between the years 2589BC and 2566BC. That's a mere 23 years to do everything from quarrying the rock to laying it in position. I find it very hard to believe that the timeline given is anywhere near accurate, as the mathematical calculations cannot work for it. I guess what I'd like to know is have there been any suitable studies done that show how it's possible to have done this monumental a task in such a short time?

Any information or links would be much appreciated.

TheBorg

TheBorg,

Pardon me for taking so long to respond to your post. I had quit reading in this thread as the posts got wackier and wackier. I have a couple of links from my favorites file you might be interested in.

Now just recently I was contacted by the construction firm DMJM -- the initials stand for Daniel, Mann, Johnson & Mendenhall -- it's one of the largest construction firms, they're working right now on the Pentagon. And one of the senior vice presidents decided to take on for a formal address for fellow engineers, a program management study of the Great Pyramid. So these are not guys lifting boilers in Manhattan, these are senior civil engineers with one of the largest construction corporations in the United States. And I'm sure they'd be happy to go on record with their study which looked at what they call critical path analysis. What do you need to get the job done? What tools did they have? And they contacted me and other Egyptologists and we gave them some references. Here's what we know about their tools, the inclined plane, the lever and so on. And without any secret sophistication or hidden technology, just basically what archaeologists say, this is what these folks had. DIM JIM came up with 5,000, 4 to 5,000 men could build the Great Pyramid within a 20 to 40 year period. And they have very specific calculations on every single aspect, from the gravel, for the ramps, to baking the bread. So I throw that out there, not because that's gospel truth, but because reasoned construction engineers, who plan great projects like bridges and buildings today and earthworks and so on, look at the Great Pyramid and don't opt out for lost civilizations, extraterrestrials, or hidden technologies. No, they say it's a very impressive job, extraordinary for the people who lived then and there, but it could be done. They are human monuments.

(My emphasis)
Source:
PBS - NOVA - Who Built the Pyramids?
The above was from 1997 and is a quote from Mark Lehner, who was mentioned earlier.
When I first read this article last year, I searched around for the engineering firm mentioned above in the bolded text, with an eye toward tracking down this report Lehner is talking about. It wasn't that hard to find some info on it. The following is one paragraph from a very interesting and informative article from Civil Engineering Magazine written by the Chief Operating Officer of Daniel, Mann, Johnson & Mendenhall, Dr. Craig B. Smith, P.E., Ph.D.

For estimations regarding excavation and ramp construction, we consulted turn-of-the-century civil engineering handbooks and established unit rates for moving earth manually. This corresponded to about 1 cu yd/h (0.8 m3/h), with time added depending on the distance the material was carried. We estimated that at an average distance the rate was 0.03 d/cu ft (0.1 d/m3). We also prepared a manpower labor forecast. Once courses 1 through 50 were completed the labor requirements dropped off considerably; additionally, the skilled labor requirements are consistent with a workers' village of 4,000 to 5,000 persons on-site. The total labor expended is 36.7 million days, or approximately 131,200 man-years. Thus the average labor force over the 10-year duration of the project is therefore 13,200 men.

Source
Civil Engineering Magazine article, June 1999, "Program Management B.C."

At the end, the article indicates that Dr. Smith "explained this project in the television special "The Great Builders of Egypt," which aired on the Arts & Entertainment channel earlier this year."

For more, you might try looking for a video of that special. I quit looking after I read this, it was good enough for me.

Harte

Originally posted by Allred5923
home.c2i.net...

WoW. That is an interesting Link, to say the least.

Quite a tale.

I have difficulties believing this represents a Truth, but it does explain why we have these similiar structures all over the world.

It also gives the ability for Atlantis to have "influenced" all parts of this planet.

And I thought I HAD STRANGE NOTIONS!

Anyways, thanks for offering it for review.

Ciao

Shane

Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII

Originally posted by Odium
See here.

I, like Byrd, like many others, have gone over it all before. The search function is your friend, your friend. You might want to read over them before starting new threads, because damn it's boring to constantly repost the same information once a week. Have that person shut up and then another person join and repeat for weeks on end.

Seriously, Odium. Why bother? I went to your thread, and I am impressed with the amount of thought you have clearly given the topic. Lehner's name is one I know well, and he may be the top expert on Giza in the world. Still, though we may not agree on how or when the great pyramid was built, we looked into it ourselves. I started in on it more than casually around the mid 80's. The early pyramidophiles' works are my favourites. They spent decades poring over every inch, in amazement. I can't see the kite thing, though in combo with a wet road... maybe. I prefer harmonics. Like a subwoofer making a cd case move across a dashboard. They may have used drums, horns, chants, and concentration to move them, even to cut them. I don't buy Khufu, Khafre as builders though. I just am not convinced. We agree it was not a tomb. Thanks for your insight, and if the people who refuse to do their own research, and want the information just laid out for them, get on your nerves, do what I do. Tell them to do their own homework. They really should anyway.

Bang on!

just cos some have been discussing things on here for years doesnt mean they are the holders of all knowledge!

Originally posted by TheBorg
EdenKaia:

Well, all of that information is very interesting. However, I have a couple questions for you. It's been said that the Great Pyramid took some 20 years to make, and that there were around 100,000 slaves working on it. If the calculations on the numbers of blocks is correct, that would mean that there would have to have been a block laid every two minutes for the entire time that the pyramid was under construction. If that's so, how could they have quarried all of the rock, cut it so finely that a piece of paper can't even fit in between them, and placed them, all within the very limited time constraints that they had?

ADDENDUM:
According to www.virtual-egypt.com..., the Great Pyramid was built between the years 2589BC and 2566BC. That's a mere 23 years to do everything from quarrying the rock to laying it in position. I find it very hard to believe that the timeline given is anywhere near accurate, as the mathematical calculations cannot work for it. I guess what I'd like to know is have there been any suitable studies done that show how it's possible to have done this monumental a task in such a short time?

Any information or links would be much appreciated.

TheBorg

Dude, they say the work was seasonal aswell! every1 in egypt would have left there normal jobs to go off pyrimid building!

does that alter the block being laid down every 2 mins?

surely the rate would be quicker!