Ahmadinejad: Tomorrow night, Iranians would be delighted hearing good news

Originally posted by WyrdeOne
Ack, I was wrong.

Don't sweat it WO, I was impressed that you knew what those pics were at all. Also props to Seekerof for posting them because truth is always palatable, IMO.

What's weird to me is the pragmatism of using cranes. It's like truly evil to use a benign tool like a crane to kill a woman. I cannot explain why, it just seems totally hideous. Like, if I were watching the crane lift her (strangling her, not hanging her per se), I'd just be appalled, yet this is standard over there.

[edit on 11-4-2006 by smallpeeps]

Mehran, it is unlikely that Bush is the devil... it is more likely Rumsfeld or Cheney or some other neo-con in power right now. Iran has as much a right as the US to defend itself. Countries of Islam are losing their identities and culture to our selfish westernized junk.

Myself, being from the Great Satan, must sincerely apologize.

B. Sage

Originally posted by B Sage
Iran has as much a right as the US to defend itself.

The irony is, nobody would have thought about attacking it until it decided it needed to pursue nuclear means to "defend itself". Being as they signed the NPT, they do not technically have as much a right, although I believe nobody should have nuclear weapons.

Countries of Islam are losing their identities and culture to our selfish westernized junk.

IMO only, that is a good thing. Their culture is generally extremely brutal and unfair, I feel it has no place in the civilized world, and there doesn't seem to be a way our cultures can co-exist in peace. I wish there were a way, but it seems impossible.

Myself, being from the Great Satan, must sincerely apologize.

What exactly did you do that you need to apologize for? You are an individual, not a nation, who had no choice in your place of birth and probably have nothing to do with our foreign policy, how can you 'sincerely' apologize for something you didn't do? Just curious...

Originally posted by 27jd
IMO only, that is a good thing. Their culture is generally extremely brutal and unfair, I feel it has no place in the civilized world, and there doesn't seem to be a way our cultures can co-exist in peace. I wish there were a way, but it seems impossible.

your right like the US isnt
locking people up with no trial (even kids as young as 14)

your legal system to other countries is also seen as brutal (death sentence)
electric/lethal injection/firing squad in some places.

and other laws that are being placed


what is civilzed in one place can be diffrent in another.

and for one to co-exist with another
both have to achive it together not have another bully another into it

[edit on 11-4-2006 by bodrul]

It might just be me.. but does Mehran actually want you all to argue? (Makes me feel more like a war tbh! )

Notice how he creates a thread then puts little input into the actually conversation.. makes you think he might be doing it on purpose?? He's waving the meat infront of you and many of you are fighting for it!

Just IMO.

sad fact friend, your on the wrong side of history, have been for 60+ years.

If you're referring to WW2, you are aware that in the US it was in large part the political right that opposed the US entering the war, yes?

As for the comparison, it doesn't hold water anyway. Iran, for all the rhetoric they pump out, is not much of a threat, certainly nothing compared to late 1930's Germany. They've issued threats to Israel - a country that could easily hand them their behinds should it come to that. Israel has hundreds of nuclear warheads, Iran, none.

Iran's game is one of stoking external tensions in order to draw attention away from internal ones. Ahmadinejad's defiant nationalism plays well domestically to lots of Iranians who otherwise have little use for the theocracy, and he knows it. That's precisely the point of all this.

Originally posted by bodrul
your right like the US isnt

locking people up with no trial (even kids as young as 14)

your legal system to other countries is also seen as brutal (death sentence)
electric/lethal injection/firing squad in some places.

Yet you continue on your path to ignore and defend Iran by attacking the US legal system?
Apparently, you also continue to overlook the legal system in Iran, who not only lock up people with no trial--including children younger than 14--you ignore their brutality--firing squads, hanging people by the use of cranes, public executions--all involving children, as well.

Hypocrite.






seekerof

[edit on 11-4-2006 by Seekerof]

Originally posted by bodrul
your right like the US isnt

locking people up with no trial (even kids as young as 14)

I assume your talking about Gitmo, and I agree, that's wrong. However, I'm quite sure they will not be put to death and hopefully those who are innocent will be set free.

your legal system to other countries is also seen as brutal (death sentence)
electric/lethal injection/firing squad in some places.

Some offenses, such as intentional murder, do call for the death penalty, but petty "honor" based offenses such as infidelity, converting from Islam to another religon, etc., do not. The punishment should fit the crime. Also, most states have switched to lethal injection, in which the condemned is first put to sleep, then killed. A far cry from having rocks thrown at you until you're dead.

what is civilzed in one place can be diffrent in another.

That's exactly the problem I guess.

and for one to co-exist with another
both have to achive it together not have another bully another into it

I agree, and I hope in the future that happens somehow.

Originally posted by xmotex
As for the comparison, it doesn't hold water anyway. Iran, for all the rhetoric they pump out, is not much of a threat, certainly nothing compared to late 1930's Germany. They've issued threats to Israel - a country that could easily hand them their behinds should it come to that. Israel has hundreds of nuclear warheads, Iran, none.

Iran's game is one of stoking external tensions in order to draw attention away from internal ones. Ahmadinejad's defiant nationalism plays well domestically to lots of Iranians who otherwise have little use for the theocracy, and he knows it. That's precisely the point of all this.

BINGO. That's what I've been saying all along. However the grist mill is using this tripe to stoke a fire for another ME front.

THINK PEOPLE!!!

Originally posted by 27jd
Some offenses, such as intentional murder, do call for the death penalty, but petty "honor" based offenses such as infidelity, converting from Islam to another religon, etc., do not. The punishment should fit the crime. Also, most states have switched to lethal injection, in which the condemned is first put to sleep, then killed. A far cry from having rocks thrown at you until you're dead.

i agree with you on the honour killings (this is not condoned by the quran or no where does it say so)
anyone commiting this crime should face punishment.
also converting from islam isnt a crime in the quran (only in a few countries do they make it a crime)

i would know from my fathers side they are the longest lines of muslim leaders (Hafiz and so on)



also on the death penalty in the US in the past and now many people are put to death for crimes they didnt commit (guess justice is truely blind)
that wat i ment

also you have to remember christianity went through the fase of burning people at the stake and so on (being burnt alive is just as/worse then being stones)
soon enough the stong will be part of the past (hopefully)

[edit on 11-4-2006 by bodrul]

Originally posted by 27jd
IMO only, that is a good thing. Their culture is generally extremely brutal and unfair, I feel it has no place in the civilized world, and there doesn't seem to be a way our cultures can co-exist in peace. I wish there were a way, but it seems impossible.

I actually agree with you there. However, are we as one country responsible for moving along the entire world socially? That's the biggest question in the end.

One that has no true answer.

Originally posted by bodrul
also on the death penalty in the US in the past and now many people are put to death for crimes they didnt commit (guess justice is trooly blind)
that wa

Unfortunately mistakes do occur, but there is a strong effort made through appeals and such to prevent it. That's why it takes so long to execute somebody here.

also you have to remember christianity went through the fase of burning people at the stake and so on (being burnt alive is just as/worse then being stones)

I know, it was disgusting. I'm not christian and if they tried to pull that in these times, I would be first in line to take up arms against them. They don't do that anymore, and I hope as you do that the muslims who are stuck in archaic times will evolve and help bring Islam into this century.

This guy is crazy, to threaten the rest of the World and alienate his country
like he is. Really President Bush will have a easy time rallying support from the UN and our allies to put pressure on Iran to comply with the UN
resolution and get rid of this nutcase. Forget having to use nukes against
Iran.

The irony is, nobody would have thought about attacking it until it decided it needed to pursue nuclear means to "defend itself".

Highly unlikely. Resources in the Caspian Sea region have made Iran a potential target for years, all that is needed is an viable excuse, to which none has been available until now.

although I believe nobody should have nuclear weapons.

That is convenient, but we do have nuclear weapons. Cannot a country withdraw from the NPT? India, Pakistan and Israel never entered into it, so why does that matter?

IMO only, that is a good thing. Their culture is generally extremely brutal and unfair, I feel it has no place in the civilized world, and there doesn't seem to be a way our cultures can co-exist in peace. I wish there were a way, but it seems impossible.

Yes, that is your opinion, and the opinion of many others -- but why not let an entire culture determine its own fate? Have you truly such little faith that the cultures can co-exist? Why do you believe the culture is brutal and unfair? What have you seen that is not propaganda taken out of context to convince you of this?

What exactly did you do that you need to apologize for? You are an individual, not a nation, who had no choice in your place of birth and probably have nothing to do with our foreign policy, how can you 'sincerely' apologize for something you didn't do? Just curious...

I like how you still include "our foreign policy" after saying I have nothing to do with it. That leads me to believe that you don't really feel that way. I am still part of a nation, I am still responsible. Why am I sorry? Hmm... my tax dollars pay for the bullets and bombs that kill people (as well as ones that may kill Iranians) and my dollars spent on fast food and entertainment goes to fund multi-national mega-corporations bent on infultrating "new markets" aka cultures and countries. So what? I can't be sorry for that?

I'm not going to sit back and let MY COUNTRY bomb the hell out of some phantom enemy recycled from the 1980's... why are there so many remakes as of late? Can't we come up with something new to strike fear in us to control us?

B. Sage

Originally posted by B Sage
Highly unlikely. Resources in the Caspian Sea region have made Iran a potential target for years, all that is needed is an viable excuse, to which none has been available until now.

An excuse that they seem more than happy to provide. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if this is all a plan to take over Iran, the Iranian president must be working for Bush...

That is convenient, but we do have nuclear weapons. Cannot a country withdraw from the NPT? India, Pakistan and Israel never entered into it, so why does that matter?

Okay, so let's just throw out the NPT and let every country that wants nukes have them, right? It will be a lovely world teaming with nuclear powder kegs, that's exactly the world I want my son to grow up in.

Why do you believe the culture is brutal and unfair?

It's treatment of women, it's execution practices, it's intolerance of other beliefs, etc.

What have you seen that is not propaganda taken out of context to convince you of this?

What above is propaganda and taken out of context, in what other context can they be taken that they would be justified?

I like how you still include "our foreign policy" after saying I have nothing to do with it.

You're right, it's the foreign policy of our government. However we personally have no say in it.

I am still part of a nation, I am still responsible.

You can't be responsible if you didn't do something you could prevent.

Why am I sorry? Hmm... my tax dollars pay for the bullets and bombs that kill people (as well as ones that may kill Iranians) and my dollars spent on fast food and entertainment goes to fund multi-national mega-corporations bent on infultrating "new markets" aka cultures and countries. So what? I can't be sorry for that?

Yet I assume you continue to feed the war machine to this day. Your apology is hollow because you will not stop. It's like a husband apologizing for beating his wife as he beats her...

I'm not going to sit back and let MY COUNTRY bomb the hell out of some phantom enemy recycled from the 1980's... why are there so many remakes as of late? Can't we come up with something new to strike fear in us to control us?

At this point nobody is bombing anybody. Just today Rumsfeld said talk of attacking Iran is in a "fantasy land". I don't believe there will be military action at this point...

You have mad quoting skillz, 27jd.

Why do you believe the culture is brutal and unfair?

It's treatment of women, it's execution practices, it's intolerance of other beliefs, etc.

That is but a radical few, surely you don't believe that is the entire culture. Have you ever known some one, or experienced that culture personally?

What have you seen that is not propaganda taken out of context to convince you of this?

What above is propaganda and taken out of context, in what other context can they be taken that they would be justified?

I am not attempting to justify their propaganda. You are dodging my question so I will ask it again. What have you seen, what have you personally experienced, what part of your opinion has NOT been formed from information delivered by the forms of media? The best opinions are formed thru experience not information (corrupted or not) alone... and that of course is my experienced and informed opinion.

You're right, it's the foreign policy of our government. However we personally have no say in it.

So you're saying that we don't live in a democracy? I would say you're right if you are saying that but us just sitting around doing nothing about it doesn't justify this government's existence.

Yet I assume you continue to feed the war machine to this day. Your apology is hollow because you will not stop.

I'm sure you'd agree that I'd be quite insane if I said that I could just stop spending money and stop paying taxes but that does not mean that my apology is hollow or isn't sincere. I alone cannot change my society on whole but I can attempt to convince others of trying along with me.

At this point nobody is bombing anybody. Just today Rumsfeld said talk of attacking Iran is in a "fantasy land". I don't believe there will be military action at this point...

Rumsfeld is a liar, a great liar. Neo-con hawk all the way, if he says it's not going to happen, it's 60/40 that it will.

B. Sage

Iran has been at war with the US since 1979 when they attacked United States territory and held US citizens hostage for 444 days. Their government showed exactly how they feel about law. They have since been a refuge for terrorists and have overtly and covertly been a party to terrorism. I am sure the majority fo Iranian citizens wish for a life just like anyone else in the world. Unfortunately their government is putting them in grave danger. Iran with a bomb is a horror waitng to happen. Everyone who either openly helps them attain the bomb is as guilty as the messianc freak running Iran tonight.

Originally posted by bodrul

Originally posted by 27jd
IMO only, that is a good thing. Their culture is generally extremely brutal and unfair, I feel it has no place in the civilized world, and there doesn't seem to be a way our cultures can co-exist in peace. I wish there were a way, but it seems impossible.

your right like the US isnt

locking people up with no trial (even kids as young as 14)

your legal system to other countries is also seen as brutal (death sentence)
electric/lethal injection/firing squad in some places.

and other laws that are being placed


what is civilzed in one place can be diffrent in another.

and for one to co-exist with another
both have to achive it together not have another bully another into it

[edit on 11-4-2006 by bodrul]

Oh thats rich, I suppose lopping off heads and hands is quite merciful? and no im not talking about the UK, I am speaking of your beloved muslim lands.

Originally posted by i4cu2
Iran has been at war with the US since 1979 when they attacked United States territory and held US citizens hostage for 444 days. Their government showed exactly how they feel about law. They have since been a refuge for terrorists and have overtly and covertly been a party to terrorism. I am sure the majority fo Iranian citizens wish for a life just like anyone else in the world. Unfortunately their government is putting them in grave danger. Iran with a bomb is a horror waitng to happen. Everyone who either openly helps them attain the bomb is as guilty as the messianc freak running Iran tonight.

Uh... get a clue. The Iranian Revolution was perpetrated by the Iranian people, against the government (led by the Shah).

Uhh the shah governments didn't invade our embassy the freaks still in charge did.