All Americans Are Terrorists

Originally posted by SecretPenguinMan
I don't really care about being sent to the office, it's the fact that I was sent there because I was considered a threat, they were actually worried that I might just blow up the school or some other building.

But did they really say that they suspected you planned to blow up a building based on a presentation where you mentioned accidentally burning a fence, or did they call you to the office because they felt you were mocking the assignment you were given with the whole world domination thing? Did they search your locker and did the police search your home for explosives? If they really considered you a threat, both would have occurred...

and then there's the fact that because of this simple action it's even easier for me to be accused of plotting to blow up some building. It's not getting sent to the office that worries me, that happens to everyone, it's the fact that it's this easy to be a terrorist.

Being called to the office does not equate to being a "terrorist" in the sense your thinking of, neither does accidentally burning down a fence or being a smart arse talking about world domination in a classroom assignment. I used to be the same way in high school, and I was called to the office and even had my locker searched. It's been that way probably since Columbine, not 9/11. The issue with schools is different because they have to watch for the detached kids who may come to school and shoot everybody, and rightfully so, it's their job to protect our children.

Originally posted by 27jd

Originally posted by SecretPenguinMan
I don't really care about being sent to the office, it's the fact that I was sent there because I was considered a threat, they were actually worried that I might just blow up the school or some other building.

But did they really say that they suspected you planned to blow up a building based on a presentation where you mentioned accidentally burning a fence, or did they call you to the office because they felt you were mocking the assignment you were given with the whole world domination thing? Did they search your locker and did the police search your home for explosives? If they really considered you a threat, both would have occurred...

They actually said they were worried about me blowing up the school. They didn't feel I was mocking the assignment, it actually made my grade higher in the class.

I'm not sure if they searched my locker, I tend to carry everything with me since I don't have much to worry about in terms of supplies and my locker is in a really bad location.

Anyway, I guess your right, maybe I'm being a little too paranoid. It's just the fact that it all seems so much more easier to accuse some ordinary person of plotting to blow something up.

[edit on 7-4-2006 by SecretPenguinMan]

Originally posted by SecretPenguinMan
They actually said they were worried about me blowing up the school.

Wow, that's pretty idiotic of them. That's quite a jump from a kid playing with matches to devising a bomb and blowing up the school, if that's the case there are many many potential young bombers out there I'd say.

Anyway, I guess your right, maybe I'm being a little too paranoid. It's just the fact that it all seems so much more easier to accuse some ordinary person of plotting to blow something up.

Perhaps, but I would feel better knowing that my child was going to a school that didn't ignore possible signs of trouble, but in your case their concern seemed unwarranted, especially in the context that they thought you were going to bomb the school, I don't think that's ever happened in U.S. history where a high school student blew up a school, although I could be wrong...

I am interested can you still openly voice your opinion against the Iraqi war, War on terrorisim, 9-11, Bush etc with out being attacked by some crazy conservative in the street, or being investigated by the FBI police?

Originally posted by marg6043

See I have been around for a while I have seen our nation going through the revolution of free speech in the 60s and 70s even when I was a child and then a teen.

I have seen our country going no up but down the hill when it comes with laws and our constitutional rights.

Been around for 4 decades is good time enough to witness the fact that our nation while ahead in many things our state of mind has gone stagnant.

Hogwash Marg. You should have been around during the 2nd world war when thousands upon thousands of American citizens were rounded up because of who they were.

We survived that and we will survive the current situation which is not as bad as you seem to think. Had you been around during WWII, you would know where I am coming from. Our current administration is doing far less now then they did back then. All Mail was censored, so was the news as were many of our other freedoms, so stop with your gloom and doom will ya.

Frankly I am surprised you do not know that since you claim to be studying history.................... :shk:

Originally posted by 27jd

Originally posted by SecretPenguinMan
They actually said they were worried about me blowing up the school.

Wow, that's pretty idiotic of them. That's quite a jump from a kid playing with matches to devising a bomb and blowing up the school, if that's the case there are many many potential young bombers out there I'd say.

You'll be surprised at how easy it is to be called a bomber

I still remember back when I was in the 1st grade there was a bomb scare, I can't remember wether it was a actually bomb that they disarmed or just some ordinary object. They actually thought that someone in grade school planted a bomb, or maybe one of their parents.

Then there was the time I was in the 7th grade, this time it was after 9/11 and there was the raise in security. A kid brought some sort of burrito to school that was mistaken as a bomb, even though it's hard to mistake a burrito for a bomb you have to keep in mind that this was rather large and wrapped up.

1. Rounding up the Japanese in WWII was a bad thing. The fact that we did that and stopped doing it after the war was over does not show improvement. We ought to have learned our lesson. The only lesson we seem to have learned is to wait for any excuse, however thin, before arresting an individual, then get them off out of the US to Cuba so that the American public will feel detatched from the situation and not demand that amends be made.

2. Mail was censored in WWII because there was a serious, active war against a strong nationalized force, and intelligence in mail could have been exploited in that war. This is a different kind of censorship and a different kind of enemy and censorship is completely inappropriate to this situation.
No serious claim can be made that Sunni militias in Iraq are going to gain actionable intelligence from the American media taking pictures of coffins or other such censored activities.

BY THE WAY: Censorship designed to restrict non-intelligence related material from American citizens was as wrong then as it is now. Democracy is NOT suspended in wartime, and that means that the citizens must be informed.
If the government needs emergency powers in certain situations, advocate a constitutional amendment to that effect rather than defending the government's attempts to circumvent constitution through legislation which undermines constitutional government through censorship.

I am constantly horrified at how many members of the "greatest generation" and their children have grievously misunderstood the events they lived through and concluded that the American government should be capable of the abominable fascistic measures which so many of their peers died to stop.

After reading the first post i'll just deposit my 2 cents here...

The concentration camps (yes they do exist.

Valhal's trip to a FEMA detainment camp.

as you can see, they do exist and are all over the US.

I doubt they are actually for detaining the ENTIRE population but rather the non-cooperative population that resists the police state and gun confiscation.

A police state will basically take away all our freedom and we would become slaves to them, if we resist we will be detained in the camps, and it will be alot of people.

militia's that could resist are becoming weaker every year due to fees and laws restricting them so there will be very little we can do.

so when eventually the nukes does go off, be prepared for a fight or slavery, it's your choice.

Welcome to the NWO.

Originally posted by desert rat
What say you?

i say this thread is highly stereotypical and should be trashed.

Read up on "Operation Garden Plot."

The military is set to round people up under such an interesting named operation:

www.uhuh.com...


Google: Operation Garden Plot

[edit on 8-4-2006 by desert rat]

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[edit on 4/8/2006 by 12m8keall2c]

Originally posted by desert rat
Read up on "Operation Garden Plot."

The military is set to round people up under such an interesting named operation:

www.uhuh.com...
[edit on 8-4-2006 by desert rat]

Hogwash Your source claims the 5th weather wing is responsible for certain portions of this alleged plan. Guess what? the 5th weather wing no longer exists.

5th Weather Wing No longer exists

I also am unable to find any source showing where the 7th weather wing still exists. Hmmm Another conspiracy might just have bit the dust



[edit on 4/8/2006 by shots]

Originally posted by shots

Hogwash Your source claims the 5th weather wing is responsible for certain portions of this alleged plan. Guess what? the 5th weather wing no longer exists.

[edit on 4/8/2006 by shots]

Reagan is dead and buried, DHS is fairly new, and the plan is still in effect presumably with more tools and manpower than ever before.

[edit on 8-4-2006 by desert rat]

Originally posted by desert rat
Reagan is dead and buried, DHS is fairly new, and the plan is still in effect presumably with more tools and manpower than ever before.

[edit on 8-4-2006 by desert rat]

OK so Reagan is dead and DHS is new I already knew that DUH. Now where is your proof this is still in place?????

I dont think you can compare this to WWII.

Not the way this is headed. They took precautions, Bush is eliminating all our freedoms on a war he created on a whim and its taken off like a rocket from there. This is very obviously WH generated chaos, for the good of the Elite and the NWO.

This SHALL NOT PASS, unlike a kidney stone.

Then you have the detention camps. I wonder what those are for.

[edit on 8-4-2006 by dgtempe]

Ok here's some proof Operation Garden Plot still exists. I tried to give a cross sample of sources:

www.calguard.ca.gov...

en.wikipedia.org...

www.globalsecurity.org...

www.villagevoice.com...

www.answers.com...

Originally posted by desert rat
Ok here's some proof Operation Garden Plot still exists. I tried to give a cross sample of sources:

www.calguard.ca.gov...

en.wikipedia.org...

www.globalsecurity.org...

www.villagevoice.com...

www.answers.com...

Those are not proof they are just sites like ATS that are making claims such as you are.

Check out the Regulations sited on an official US military site that can be used to locate the regulations and try and find them then get back to us.

I checked out over half and they Do Not Exist that is sufficient proof for me that this is all a hoax.

[edit on 4/8/2006 by shots]

Here are some government and US military sites mentioning operation garden plot.

Operation Garden Plot

Originally posted by desert rat
Here are some government and US military sites mentioning operation garden plot.

Operation Garden Plot

I did not ask for anything mentioning Graden Plot, but nice try.

I asked for the actual regulations mentioned, where are they?

Shots, you dont have to worry. You wont be going.

Its just the ones who dont buy what is being dished out.

I'll send you a card.

Well here in 2006 we don't use hard copies much anymore (paper). And even with this new internet thing the gub'nt hasn't yet opened all its files to the general public. But the plan exists, I am right and you are wrong. Go find another mark.

I did enjoy this quote in my looking around, from a federal site:

thomas.loc.gov...:FLD001:E50794

DoD develops plans to support other federal agencies in cases of an emergency situation such as, operation ``Graphic Hand'' which is implemented in case of a postal service strike, and operation ``Garden Plot'' which is implemented in the event of civil disturbances