Lost Gospel Revealed; Says Jesus Asked Judas to Betray Him

Oh yes and lets also not forget the front page "Cover Story" from this last week's USA Today on the Judas Gospel. Advertisers cannot even BUY that part of the paper, so why do you think they made it their top story? Seems fairly irrelevant from a news perspective, considering all the crap going down in the USA.

Hmmm...

[edit on 8-4-2006 by smallpeeps]

The Gospels were all written at least 250 to 300 years after the fact. Anyone that tells you differently is blowing all kinds of multicoloured smoke up your ass.

With a flashlight.

And a map.

Originally posted by Knights
"Pure BS", "Illuminati Cover up"

The document was dated back to those days.. Just like the lost sea scrolls and other similar documents. As we 'gobble' it up, look at the way you so speedily disregard such information as rubbish because the Bible says so. At the end of the day alot of the Bible was creatred through similar scrolls. Many of you seem to be blinded by the 'truth' (in their eyes, and can't comprehend what they are reading isn't true. The fact of the matter is that many of the things in the Bible are not 100%.. maybe the Judas story is wrong and he was a hero. Don't be so blind.)

You're right dude. You shouldn't wear blinders when reading the Bible.

It is not made by God...it was made by man...and man makes mistakes...there are no perfect humans.

The Bible...was also written and edited during the Middle Ages...or more aptly name Dark Ages, when the Catholic Church stole the knowledge and learning from the people.

For those who don't know it, the Bible was intended to be left as an open book, meaning not stopping with a certain book, like Revelations...so they could add to it...as time progressed and people's mind opened to new concepts and new ideas.

I learned that, from My Greek teacher, who was a 30 student/scholar/teacher of both Greek and Hebrew.

Also...for someone to truly understand all the concepts of the Bible...

You must have an entire library full of books relating to the customs, rituals, analogies, anagrams, codes, wording, history (there's stories behind all of those stories in the Bible)...you name it.

The Greek and Hebrew language is all about numbers too.

Every single letter, has a number equivalent.

My Greek teacher was a number cruncher...someone who could be given any two sets of numbers, and have a mathematical answer within mere seconds.

Also...anytime it's written..."And God said..." that was the Elders of the Hebrew Community adding something they'd learned from a happening.

All this I learned from My Greek Teacher. He's a devout Christian, family man, and Deacon of the Church.

So...only looking in the Bible...and only reading what's between the covers...makes you narrowminded or closeminded...you only see what is in front of you...not the rest of the World around you.

Why do you think that most victims are "good Christian people"...because they avoid "Worldly Things"...when Jesus said "Go out into the World and preach to the people who do not know of Me and My Father...God".



[edit on 9-4-2006 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

posted by SpartanKingLeonidas:

posted by Knights: "Pure BS," "Illuminati Cover up" . . The document was dated back to those days . . Just like the lost Dead Sea scrolls and other similar documents. As we 'gobble' it up, look at the way you so speedily disregard such information as rubbish because the Bible says so. At the end of the day a lot of the Bible was created through similar scrolls. Many of you seem to be blinded by the 'truth' (in their eyes, and can't comprehend what they are reading isn't true. The fact of the matter is that many of the things in the Bible are not 100% . . maybe the Judas story is wrong and he was a hero. Don't be so blind). [Edited by Don W]

You shouldn't wear blinders when reading the Bible. It is not made by God . . it was made by man...and man makes mistakes . . there are no perfect humans.

The theory of divine inspiration of the Holy Writ is bolstered only at 2 Timothy 3:16-17. I have read that it is just as correct to translate that verse to read, “All inspired scripture is of God.” Sure, you would still have the endless arguing over what is inspired and what is not. But look, as it is now, the so called “fundamentalist” in all Christian denominations use this verse to cut off debate. I dropped out of Philosophy 101 but I recall the professor said there are few to none arguments you can win if you grant the opponent's premises.

Jewish tradition regards only the Torah - the five books of Moses - the Pentateuch - as inspired by God. Yet, Christians, who can barely spell Pentateuch, have asserted all of the Hebrew Bible - our O.T. - is inspired. Wow! The Holy Bible - which is not the same everywhere, anyway - was the creation of Emperor Constantine, around 325 AD when he called the Council of Nicea. You know the story, he wanted 50 copies of the same bible to put in the 50 churches he was to build in his new capital, Byzantium re-named Constantinople. Uniformity was his mantra, not exactness.

The Bible . . was also written and edited during the Middle Ages . . or more aptly name Dark Ages, when the Catholic Church stole the knowledge and learning from the people. For those who don't know it, the Bible was intended to be left as an open book, meaning not stopping with a certain book, like Revelations . . so they could add to it . .

Note 1st, this was the first “church” council called since James and Peter called Paul to task some 280 odd years earlier. Note 2nd, it was called by the Emperor and not by the Bishop of Rome. Note 3rd, it was held in Nicea and not in Rome. We know the Nicene Creed resolving the major issue (Trinitarianism) to come out of Nicea 1. What we don’t know is just what the original Nicene creed says.

To my best knowledge the sole surviving Christians - as those who follow Christ - holding to the original traditional and constant Jewish doctrine of monotheism, is the Universalist Unitarian Church. All others who call themselves Christians are polytheistic, no matter how you shake it or deny it. Entirely in keeping with popular attitudes prevailing in the dominant Roman culture. Look in any Catholic Church. You'll find the cult of saints alive and well. How anyone can argue this is not polytheism escapes me. Look under the alter, you'll find the worship of relics, alive and well. Old Roman ways die hard. It is not against the law to be polytheistic. Admit it. Be proud of it if that is your persuasion or preference. But it is absurd running to the ludicrous to deny it.

Aside. Consider this, too. First, the Bible instructs each congregation to have overseers. A/k/a bishops. A/k/a Presbyters. a/k/a Elders. It speaks of this office in the plural. When Paul arrived in Rome around 55-60 AD, but almost certainly before the Jewish Revolt of 64 AD, Paul makes no reference in any of his letters to “the” bishop of Rome. Or of any bishops of Rome. We do know Paul was allowed to speak to other Christians in Rome, during his imprisonment so if there had been a bishop of noteworthiness, I can’t imagine Paul not referencing the fact and his name.

Second, in a city the size of Rome in the first century, there were probably many congregations of Christians. Each congregation would have had its own bishop or overseer, probably in the plural. I’m satisfied the so-called “fathers of the church” historical rewrite - each city with one overseeing bishop - was a medieval invention. It is well known that the claims of the Catholic Church vis a vis the first couple dozen of Bishops of Rome are entirely specious. As is also the recent Church declaration that Peter’s bones are buried under the Basilica of the same name. Good stories die hard. Or a wish list.

“ . . as time progressed . . people's minds opened to new concepts . . new ideas. I learned from my teacher - a scholar of both Greek and Hebrew . . for someone to truly understand all the concepts of the Bible . . you must have a library of books relating to the customs, rituals, analogies, anagrams, codes, wording, history - re's stories behind all of those stories in the Bible . .

Absolutely! It has just been the last 20-30 years that we are finally getting a “handle” on our own history surrounding the War of Rebellion of 1775-1783. Frankly, on that topic for one minute, I am now seeing it, calling it a coup d’etat. Our much idealized founding fathers stole the 13 colonies from King George III. Contrast our so-called “Revolution” with a real revolution - dramatic change in fundamental relationships - with either of the French Revolution or Russia’s October Revolution or Mao Zedong’s Cultural Revolution. Now there is real, fundamental change.

Yes. I like to cite the story of Jesus at a place variously called Gadarene or Gergesene, where a man possessed by many demons was self destructing. He solicited Jesus’ aid in ridding himself of those demons, which Jesus obligingly did. For unstated reasons, Jesus put the demons into a nearby herd of pigs, which promptly ran over a bluff crashing into the Sea of Galilee and drowned. Let us not lose site of the fact it was pigs and not goats or sheep that were destroyed.

Now - in 2006 - you and I know this is not a true story. Yet, the Catholic Church to this day practices exorcism based on this story. Ignoring the work of Freud and those following. That’s called institutional inertia. Ref. Matt. 8:28-34, Mark 5, at v. 9 and on, and Luke 8, at 30 and on.

I contend the people to whom this story was originally told and retold knew it was not a true event. Yet, in their culture in the First Century AD, it was received as imparting some message which frankly, escapes me. But I feel confident it did not escape the hearers. Fact and fantasy were mixed in that era. Today, we prefer to sort out fact from fiction. In many respects, we are ‘Legion’ today! But self imposed! I like to goad ‘true believers’ by asking why Christian psychiatrists do not stock pigs in their office? Oink! Oink!

. . you name it. The Greek and Hebrew language is all about numbers too. Every single letter, has a number equivalent. My Greek teacher was a number cruncher . . someone who could be given any two sets of numbers, and have a mathematical answer within mere seconds.

Well, S/K/L, I’m not too much into numerology. A long time ago my first introduction to numbers came to me in a critical book debunking the use of the measurements of the Great Pyramid as a means to foretell coming events. The author pointed out how it is only by hind-sight can we “read” the numbers. This lesson has stood me in good stead with the contemporary Devinci Code, endless references on History Channel to Nostradamus and Edgar Cayce to name the ones that come to my mind. It is only with hind-sight - always 20/20 - that these fellows can be called capable.

By the by, I have also read that we misconstrue the Hebrew concept embodied in the word “prophet” and to properly understand it, we should substitute the word “preacher” every time we see “prophet” in the Holy Bible. Recall again, the books of the O.T. (And NT, too) were written long after the events they are reporting or recording. For generations these stories were perpetuated in oral tradition. Also recall that fortune telling - future telling - was a stoning offense in the O.T. Plus, we can’t even agree today on what happened in the 2000 election! Wow!

Also . . anytime it's written . . "And God said . . " that was the Elders of the Hebrew Community adding something they'd learned from a happening.

It is as if the speakers had said, “And this truly happened . . “

All this I learned from my Greek teacher. He's a devout Christian, family man, and deacon of the Church. So . . only looking in the Bible . . and only reading what's between the covers . . makes you narrowminded or closed mind . . you only see what is in front of you . . not the rest of the World around you. Why do you think most victims are "good people" . . when Jesus said "Go out into the World and preach to the people who do not know of Me and My Father . . God."

Well, that requirement of evangelism has caused the deaths of millions of aborigine people when mechanically advanced Europeans came to loot the land and convert the people. I do not believe Jesus ever said that. It is not consistent with First Century Judaism as I have heard about it. I don’t know when it was added to the Holy Writ, but I do not believe it.

[edit on 4/9/2006 by donwhite]

By the by, I have also read that we misconstrue the Hebrew concept embodied in the word “prophet” and to properly understand it, we should substitute the word “preacher” every time we see “prophet” in the Holy Bible. Recall again, the books of the O.T. (And NT, too) were written long after the events they are reporting or recording. For generations these stories were perpetuated in oral tradition. Also recall that fortune telling - future telling - was a stoning offense in the O.T. Plus, we can’t even agree today on what happened in the 2000 election! Wow!

Also . . anytime it's written . . "And God said . . " that was the Elders of the Hebrew Community adding something they'd learned from a happening.

It is as if the speakers had said, “And this truly happened . . “

All this I learned from my Greek teacher. He's a devout Christian, family man, and deacon of the Church. So . . only looking in the Bible . . and only reading what's between the covers . . makes you narrowminded or closed mind . . you only see what is in front of you . . not the rest of the World around you. Why do you think most victims are "good people" . . when Jesus said "Go out into the World and preach to the people who do not know of Me and My Father . . God."

Well, that requirement of evangelism has caused the deaths of millions of aborigine people when mechanically advanced Europeans came to loot the land and convert the people. I do not believe Jesus ever said that. It is not consistent with First Century Judaism as I have heard about it. I don’t know when it was added to the Holy Writ, but I do not believe it.


[edit on 4/9/2006 by donwhite]

I understand where you are coming from and why you may disagree, but there are things I didn't include in there.

For example...I go into chat rooms and learn about different countries and cultures, before I go to them, and ask questions, that lead to question, that lead to more questions, that eventually lead to the answers I want...to figure out how other people in other countries understand things, what influences their thought processes, etc.

Now...do you think many of the people who were "Missionaries" or "Crusaders" did this? Well...no...there was no internet...and they just didn't care.

It was "Repent and beg forgiveness of God, swear Allegiance to the Church of Blah Blah...or die" back in the Dark Ages...or in Modern Times..."You're a Heathen and going to Hell", etc.

There's so much said and not said in this, that I could point out, but I only have so much time in a day to post here, so I am selective as to what I type here.

Glad to see someone else doesn't let the blinders cover their eyes.

By the way...I talk about Jesus and what He did, the path He walked, and the concepts He lived by, through My own personal life experiences.

I don't preach to people, but engage them in conversation and tell them how I think and feel about things, and slowly open their eyes to...

True Knowlegde of God and True History