ATS: Possible War with Mexico?

Whats so delusional about chain gangs? Besides, I'd rather put convicts to work rather than have a pity-party for everybody who BREAKS THE LAW by coming across the border illegaly. I'm all for immigration...this country was built on it, but the legal way. Coming to this country is NOT a right.

Originally posted by snafu7700
how many other countries do you know where a massive population of illegal aliens are allowed to roam free unchecked and conduct mass demonstrations when someone finally starts to realize they are becoming a problem and tries to enact legislation to deal with them?

Ever been to England? Places like Bolton, Blackburn and London, plus many others have no-go areas for whites. It is over-run with muslims (most of which are illegal). Abu Hamza, old hook-hand, and his 'followers' used to preach anti-British and anti-American on the streets of London and what did the police do? Stopped the bloody traffic for them! I believe they stopped them since they arrested him, but that took years!




[edit on 4-4-2006 by Mcphisto]

well I should say that I am 25% Mexican, My grandfather came to this country(from mexico) in 49(legaly) for the open tryouts for the white sox. Other ancestors came to this country came on the Fortune, the ship that came after the mayflower, and several more are natives. This is MY country.
Every day I drive past the local welfare office. Every time you see Mexicans with nice cars (BMW, Mercedes, and Cadillac) with rims, systems, and driving like total idiots. And when my family needed help (almost living on the street) "No you don’t qualify" WTF is that.

If you wan't to come here LEGALY, I have no problem with that.

You Americans would be kissing their ALIEN feet if you thought they would leave you here to FEED YOURSELVES.

In my area, it was damn hard to find a job when I was in highschool(even now). Alot of fast food places are %75mexican/%25 white. The white people at Taco bell are usualy laid off from other jobs.

[edit on 4-4-2006 by parrhesia]

Originally posted by uuhelpus
well I should say that I am 25% Mexican, My grandfather came to this country(from mexico) in 49(legaly) for the open tryouts for the white sox. Other ancestors came to this country came on the Fortune, the ship that came after the mayflower, and several more are natives. This is MY country.
Every day I drive past the local welfare office. Every time you see Mexicans with nice cars (BMW, Mercedes, and Cadillac) with rims, systems, and driving like total idiots. And when my family needed help (almost living on the street) "No you don’t qualify" WTF is that.

If you wan't to come here LEGALY, I have no problem with that.

Amen...Cheers to you uuhelpus

Do you know what the requirements are for them to enter and remain in this country legally?

What if they were unwilling to allow anyone into their country that has been intentionally exposed to cancer causing ingredients in their food, by their own government?

Would you be able to follow the proper procedures and meet those requirements? Or would you be able to LEARN how to prevent from being saturated with deadly toxins, BEFORE you could escape from this country to live a healthier life in theirs?

No Way Jose' !

Are any of you foolish enough to debate that things should be done LEGALLY in this country?



[edit on 4-4-2006 by Contentious]

We have requirements to enter this country for a reason. Unless you'd like to simply open the borders completely.

Aren't they open to the north?

What if Mexicans had a lighter skin complexion?
Would it be alright with you then?

Ahhh...There it is. I was waiting for that. When all else fails, use the "you are a racist" tactic.

Your right about one thing though...the northern border is more open. The reason is that Canadians aren't crossing the border illegaly by the thousands. They get legal documents permitting them to cross.

But to answer your question, the answer is "no". Thier skin being lighter wouldn't change my mind at all because that has nothing to do with it...so stop resorting to mud-slinging tactics.

Like I said, delusional.

Most of the people who have an opinion on this or any other situation in the world would like to believe that 'racism' in some form or another, does NOT play the most significant part in the decision making process of this 'white mans' government.

Is this not a WHITE mans government ?

They still believe they can outrun the mistakes they made by bringing the Africans over here to do their work for them, now they want to stop the Conquistadors.

It's about as realistic as thinking that 'chain gangs' could replace the labor and results produced by these 11 million 'aliens'.
Have you ever worked HARD, or worked HARD around or with a Mexican man or woman?

They can run circles around me with 80lb of concrete on their back.
And I'm a 275lb 'strong' white man...
if that helps you understand.
In general, the American person does not have the ability to perceive what it would be like to work in a field for 60hrs a week, all of their lives.

But you want to make it harder or impossible for these people to live here with the same rights you take for granted. Because they feed you.

The worm's about to turn, that's all I'm gonna tell you.

Illegal immigrants would not come to this in this country, if there was no economic advantage. Someone is paying their wages and they will come as long as this continues.

Blaming the mice for invading your home,
cause you dropped food all over the floor?

Some posters make me wonder about human evolution.





[edit on 4-4-2006 by Regenmacher]

Hey there first off, this is my first post, although I have been reading your site for over a year now. I find it highly informative and at times quite entertaining. I hope to have many great debates.

So now about this illegal immigration.

To say that we, Americans, would go crazy and be unable to care for ourselves without the illegals is completely insane. To say that any people, nation or culture would do so is ignorant. If you really feel that we are that lazy just remember one thing that I have yet to see in this thread. We have plenty of homeless, and poverty stricken people that would jump at the chance to take these jobs that would be freed up.

Do we need to straighten up corporate America. Well duh! is all I have to say about that. Anyone who would say that corporate America is 100% legit IS insane. But as with drugs (although I believe all should be legal for 2 reasons, reduction of crime and you cant be free unless you are free) you have to attack supply and demand. Attacking just one side is pointless and will never lead to anything.

Oh and if people are going to advocate illegal immigration in protests by people with no citizenship then perhaps drug dealers who have rights should do the same...

Just my thoughts, not meant to flame anyone so please don't flame back.

Too bad you dont choose when to go war, too bad our goverments dont care what we want or what we dont want. Illegal aliens arent going back home because corporate america doesnt want to, that easy, so stop complaining, you have no voice, and your opinions will not be taken onto account.

Now for those basement/boring-life users, lol@you, look for another major event to bright up and give meaning to your lives, I mean war with Mexico? and extraterrestrial invasion is more probable than that.

So keep dreaming suckers


for mods: if you gonna edit "suckers" plz edit every other racist comment in this tread thx

Originally posted by Contentious
Like I said, delusional.

why yes you are

Most of the people who have an opinion on this or any other situation in the world would like to believe that 'racism' in some form or another, does NOT play the most significant part in the decision making process of this 'white mans' government.

only to folks like jesse jackson and al sharpton who conveniently use the "race" platform to line their own pockets.

Is this not a WHITE mans government ?

showing your ignorance and lack of research (big surprise).

source
A record 43 black Members serve in the 109th Congress, 42 in the House of
Representatives, and one in the Senate.

and that's just black members, i didnt feel like looking up asian, hispanic, etc.

They still believe they can outrun the mistakes they made by bringing the Africans over here to do their work for them, now they want to stop the Conquistadors.

yup, the ignorant ones always revert to hatred when they cant provide any data to back up their claims.

Have you ever worked HARD, or worked HARD around or with a Mexican man or woman?

yup, and we worked right through their two hour siestas too. theyre just like anyone else....there are good workers and bad workers. we had a couple working with us once that really earned their money. and we had a couple on another job that werent worth a crap.

They can run circles around me with 80lb of concrete on their back.
And I'm a 275lb 'strong' white man...

see above

In general, the American person does not have the ability to perceive what it would be like to work in a field for 60hrs a week, all of their lives.

making generalizations again with no data to back it up. where i come from, most young men start work at an early age: in the fields for their family, or working construction to add to the family income. you dont have a clue what youre talking about.

But you want to make it harder or impossible for these people to live here with the same rights you take for granted. Because they feed you.

no, we want them to come in LEGALLY and pay taxes like the rest of us. i dont know what exactly your problem is, but pretty much all you have managed to do is prove yourself to be racist, ignorant, and just plain offensive.

The worm's about to turn, that's all I'm gonna tell you.

lmao....whatever.

All: please stay on topic - no racism will be tolerated!

I have to agree with mrwupy and the others who are placing the blame on people/companies who are knowingly hiring illegals because they can pay them less.

They figure, if I hire an illegal immigrant I don't have to pay them the minimum wage, no insurance, no workers comp, no social security, no taxes, no nothing. I give him his 3 dollars an hour and he smiles.

That's the real problem. The unethical businesses that do this! Firstly, because they're taking advantage of the immigrants themselves, and secondly because they're simply encouraging more of it. The Mexican economy clearly is not good to these people, otherwise why would they run here? So they get here, find a company to give them a few dollars an hour for backbreaking work, the company wins because they get dirt cheap labor, and the immigrant wins because he has a job paying 10 times what he got in Mexico.

If the message got out was the only way to get these jobs was through the legal channels I believe we'd see a marked decline in illegal immigration. Immigrants would be treated more humanely as well.

You can't fault the Mexicans who come here. They have crappy lives there, they can't provide for their families, much of the country is lawless. I understand why they'd want to come here isntead. But the message needs to get out that the legal way is the only way.

When they come legally they get real jobs, with insurance, with more money, and don't need as much public assistance.

Win win situation for all of us, except the corporations... and THAT is the only reason this problem still exists. Corporate greed.

11 to 12 million mostly Mexican national set to march on the 1st of May could be the trigger to set off social unrest in America and lead us down the path to war with Mexico.

There ain't going to be 11-12 million of anyone marching any day. And fortunately america is a tolerant and diverse enough nation that there simply isn't going to be serious unrest between latin-americans and non-latin-americans.

All I ask for from Mexicans who want to come to America to better their lives, and those of their families is do it LEGALLY. All I ask for from my gov't. is to quit siding with the illegal immigrants and start enforcing the immigration laws that currently exist. This is not complicated at all. The solution is already in the books, but the power elite on both sides want their cheap labor.

As for those who keep chanting the mantra that Americans won't do the work, so we have to have cheap illegal labor. Got three words for ya: Get a clue. In my experiance, 30 plus years in the work force, at low level, and midmanagement, us gringos are more than willing to do the job, but only if it pays more than a pittance. That is where coming down on corporations and small business's who hire illegals is so blasted important.

As for the average Mexican being able to work rings around the average American worker. Really? My experiance says otherwise: Not much difference between the two at all. Yes there are lazy American workers who expect it to be handed to them on a silver platter. Those generally get weeded out one way or another. There are also lazy Mexican workers.

The immigration issue is indeed coming to a head, but both countries have far, far, too much to lose. Relations between the two countries are too intertwined for a war. Doesn't mean that things can't get down right chilly.

Mexico needs to realize that the US can adapt much more readily to a stoppage of cheap labor, then Mexico can to the stoppage of the flow of American cash.

Solving the immigration issue is going to come down to a President and Congress willing to act in the best interests of the country, and not in the best interests of pocket books of a wealthy elite who feel they are entitled to live like fuedal lords, and ladies. It just makes me want to vomit.

On this issue, I have completely parted company with President Bush, and congress. Neither of whom have the courage to take the measures neccessary to solve this very solvable problem.

By the way, I have worked 60, 70, and sometimes 80 hour weeks for several years in the Alaskan fishing industry. So the concept of manuel labour is not an alien concept to me. I would venture to guess that this work is even more back breaking, even soul-killing, than any farm labor ever invented. Cold, dark, oppressively damp, standing almost to your knees in freezing cold saltwater, sick and tired of being sick and tired, for 18, sometimes more hours a day for months on end. It's not a job for the faint of heart, suicides are not unheard of, I've helped cut down more than one in my time in the industry.

[edit on 5-4-2006 by seagull]

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well said seagull, i agree with you one hundred percent.

my only concern is if the US does act strongly and manages to shut off the border completely by employing the Guard or by other means, which would effectively reduce the flow of US capital into the mexican economy, that there would be some kind of backlash.....but personally, i'm perfectly willing to find out.



[edit on 5-4-2006 by snafu7700]

Originally posted by Regenmacher

Originally posted by ShadowXIX
If the US militarized the southern border illegal immigration would be over.

Lock the doors with the corporate wolves still in the henhouse ehh?

I would say control demand first, as in holding businesses accountable for hiring slave labor and not just make it look good on paper. If they can't run a legal business, then shut'em down.

Even if there was huge demand if the US military was on the border millions wouldnt be pouring across the border it just would happen. Just as millions of N Koreans dont stream across the DMZ and believe me millions want out of N korea way worst then anyone in Mexico. It aint going to happen a few would sneak across sure but not millions no way.

I do agree demand is part of the probelm but the real solutions cant work until you control the border. What we can do is shut down demand for illegal workers big fines for hiring them and start a really good guest worker program for legals.

But any guest worker program is going to be pointless unless you can control the border. Nobody is going to sign up and wait for such a program if they can just walk across the border and find a job.

I really think a good guest worker program and legal immigration is a huge part of the solution but its pointless without control first.



[edit on 5-4-2006 by ShadowXIX]