ATS: Possible War with Mexico?

Yeah... I can't wait for the war against immigrants too...

Wonder what the native Americans said when those invaders came over on the Mayflower or what the Aztecs said about those Conquistadors?

This nation was built on invasion, rebellion and immigrants,
guess that means everyone should shoot themselves?

History repeats, the American revolution brought forth the United States.

Will it bring forth Aztlan is the question?

[edit on 3-4-2006 by Regenmacher]

One thing is for sure. Mexicans can't build a better life for themselves, they must rely on Americans to do it for them. and then they squander it.

They may come here and work but they're working for American dollars.

In the last post, it was said that America was built on a history of invasion.

While this may be true and Mexicans are invading by the droves, they haven't got the determination or will to conquer.

If they had it, there would be illegal Americans going to Mexico seeking their Pesos.

'Nuf said.

Maybe you better have a gander at what lies behind the forces of insurrection.
ATS: Follow the Money - Funding of the Radical 'Hispanic' Lobby Group

King George probably said the same thing you did back in 1765.

I am angry about Mexicans crossing the border illegally and my government "allowing" it to go on for so long. All of you bringing up the "we are all immigrants to this country just like them.......we should FEEL their plight" are full of it. I'm sure our ancestors who immigrated here did so legally! I don't think we have the same problem with our neighbors to the North (that would be Canada!)

Someone here hit the nail on the head. Rather than Mexicans feeling like they have the right to protest in our streets, you should be addressing your problems at home instead of feeling like the USA owes you something. We don't owe you JACK if you came into our country under the cover of darkness, in a packed van.....however you did ILLEGALLY! If you DID get into this country legally, then WELCOME!!! Otherwise, go home, organize a coup and overthrow Vincente Fox and his corrupt government and quit leeching off MY tax dollars!

...and before any of you accuse me of being "racist", I am 1/2 Native American French Canadian Cree; my best friend is a Mexican-American who immigrated here LEGALLY and feels the same way!

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[edit on 4-4-2006 by CreeWolf]

There's already a "war" going on. Mexico is ignoring their treaty obligations about criminals and supporting our law enforcement, and there have been shots fired at our law enforcement officers across the border from inside Mexico.

Originally posted by Regenmacher

Wonder what the native Americans said when those invaders came over on the Mayflower or what the Aztecs said about those Conquistadors?

[edit on 3-4-2006 by Regenmacher]

You act like your precious "native americans" weren't kicking eachother off of land all over the continent for 1000 years before whitey ever showed up. Ha! We happened to show up at a stone-age party with the industrial age right behind us.

As for "we're all immigrants"? B.S. man, not like this, and its intellectually dishonest at best to make up these excuses. At worst? We don't have to go there...

"Or do I have to wait for them to come and try to force their way into my home"

Why force their way in, when they are INVITED in?

You must not live in S. California.

They just ring the doorbell, and people let them in.

The maid.
The painter.
The gardener.
The drywaller.
The carpet cleaner.
The plumber.
The baby sitter.

At least half of the people in the service industry. Perhaps much more. I doubt the S. California building boom would have been possible otherwise.

Let's stop blaming the immigrants. They didn't force their way in. They were invited.

For every alien breaking the law by being in this country, their are 10-100 Americans breaking the law by hiring them.

Let's start where the problem starts - demand.

Either crack-down on those who hire them, or legitimize their presence, and admit that they are a planned part of the economy. We've been giving the issue a "wink wink nudge nudge" for way too long.

People don't mind a bit when they get the slim bill for the services these people provide. They are happy to look the other way. (I should note that middlemen mark the prices WAY up, BTW...)

Originally posted by Earlybird
As for "we're all immigrants"? B.S. man, not like this, and its intellectually dishonest at best to make up these excuses. At worst? We don't have to go there...

Those were purposely posed as questions. I guess you failed to notice, not answer them, and decided to project apathy instead. Your's is one of typical reactionary nonsense that only serves to escalate polarization and hate. You have a solution, then let's see it.

The native Americans were nearly wiped out for their denial of risks. You want to deny the risks, then prepare deal with the consequences. Corporate America will sell you out in a heartbeat to the lowest bidder, that includes selling you out to immigrants.

History repeats for those who ignore it, so go print up some Bush pesos on the first page while your thinking of a solution. Don't count on big brother coming up with a solution to serve the common man, they serve to protect their interests. Don't like it, then worktpowards changing it and save your energy to oppose those who are selling you out. Immigrants are selling out no one, they are opportunists like everyone else is.

I expect you to read it all before flying off the handle and looking foolish next time:
ATS: Follow the Money - Funding of the Radical 'Hispanic' Lobby Group




[edit on 4-4-2006 by Regenmacher]

Originally posted by Bay_Watcher
Let's start where the problem starts - demand.

Either crack-down on those who hire them, or legitimize their presence, and admit that they are a planned part of the economy. We've been giving the issue a "wink wink nudge nudge" for way too long.

AMEN, AMEN, AMEN!!!!!!

As long as the American business man is willing to hire an illegal worker, the illegal worker will seek him out. The problem IS NOT that illegals come here to find work, the problem is Americans are willing to hire them and give them the reason to come here.

If they could not be hired, they would not risk coming across the border and risking their lives.

If you want to stop illegal immigration then you need to clean your own house first. Go after the Americans that hire them. When the jobs dry up the illegals will go away.

The people who are willing to do illegal things to hire cheap labor are the reason the immigrants come. Those people are American citizens.

You guys are crazy. Don't you know Fox and Bush are best friends? Guess what they did last week?

War with mexico? This has got to be a joke, the Mexican military is a joke it would be ridiculous for them to try. Sorry any mexicans with dreams of taking back Texas or whatever south western state it aint going to happen in this lifetime.

Any "Operation Aztez" would also be absurd to stem the flow of illegal immigrants you would never need to do that. If the US militarized the southern border (just as Mexico has been doing for years with its own southern border) illegal immigration would be over. No need to invade or anything it would be a simple and very effective solution to the probelm.

When it comes to military targets, I can certainly think of better ones than Mexico; Like Iran, France or Hollywood. But that's just me.

Originally posted by ShadowXIX
If the US militarized the southern border illegal immigration would be over.

Lock the doors with the corporate wolves still in the henhouse ehh?

I would say control demand first, as in holding businesses accountable for hiring slave labor and not just make it look good on paper. If they can't run a legal business, then shut'em down.



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I agree. We don't need to shut the border down, we need to take away the demand for cheap/slave workers.

Go after those who hire the illegals and they will stop hiring them. When the jobs go away the illegals will go away.

Then the government needs to have a sane policy for allowing workers into this country that will do the jobs that most of the American citizens won't. A policy that gives those workers the right to citizenship somewhere down the line. It needs to be fair and offer the chance for growth, but it also needs to be within the law.

If someone hires an illegal, they get a day in court. If they hire an immigrant worker, they get a tax break to help that person become a citizen. To educate their children and find a safe place in this land.

What we need is for the laws in place to be inforced, And to help those that come to these shores to be legal and have a footing to stand on when they get here.

This nation needs the immigrant workers that come here. We need to go after the business men that exploit them and deprive them of the rights they should have.

I wish the Mexican people had a spokesperson that would stand up and start announcing and DEMANDING that the people you consider as "illegal aliens" in the U.S. to return to Mexico, immediately.

You fat headed -edit- Americans would be kissing their ALIEN feet if you thought they would leave you here to FEED YOURSELVES.

.... narrow minded -edit-, you would drown in your own -edit- if you had to dig your own ditches!

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Originally posted by Contentious
I wish the Mexican people had a spokesperson that would stand up and start announcing and DEMANDING that the people you consider as "illegal aliens" in the U.S. to return to Mexico, immediately.

You fat headed -edit- Americans would be kissing their ALIEN feet if you thought they would leave you here to FEED YOURSELVES.

.... narrow minded -edit-, you would drown in your own -edit- if you had to dig your own ditches!

Now be nice Contentious....but your right I suppose. It would be nice if Mexico had such a person. Then maybe the immigrant who has been in the U.S. for a whole five minutes wouldn't get government aid, grants and benefits that hard working Americans don't even get.



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no, he's not right. we would simply revert back to the previous method of harvesting crops and fixing roads: chain gangs. prisoners would have to actually do meaningful work for their 3 squares a day, and crime would probably go down a bit.

Originally posted by snafu7700
no, he's not right. we would simply revert back to the previous method of harvesting crops and fixing roads: chain gangs. prisoners would have to actually do meaningful work for their 3 squares a day, and crime would probably go down a bit.

You know what? You just might be right. Never thought of that.

the U.S. can't 'back up' snafu.

It's full speed ahead!

And if they were to all somehow start a simultaneous 'retreat' back home, for the American people it would be like having their asses handed to them.
Americans would much sooner resort to chaos and rioting before they were willing to do their own work.

It is a simple case of 'biting the hand that feeds you', unfortunately these people are not like the mongrels in this country and they are probably not going to bite back.

Originally posted by Rightwingpatriot

Originally posted by snafu7700
no, he's not right. we would simply revert back to the previous method of harvesting crops and fixing roads: chain gangs. prisoners would have to actually do meaningful work for their 3 squares a day, and crime would probably go down a bit.

You know what? You just might be right. Never thought of that.

Prisoners in the fields? building roads and bridges?
How about framing houses, laying tile, stucco,brick, and sheetrock?

If your that delusional, come see me ... I got something for ya'!

I've got some ocean front property in Arizona
from my front porch you can see the sea
I've got some ocean front property in Arizona
An if you'll buy that I'll throw the Golden Gate in free