Iran tests fastest underwater missile

We WILL apply a thick coat of chillin in this thread.

Reuters:
Earlier in the day, Rear Admiral Mohammad-Ebrahim Dehqani said Iran would have further important announcements to make over the course of the wargames.

"We are going to have very important news that will make our nation proud in the next few days," he told state television.

I wonder what it is?

ok..that post above me is pretty...odd.....next, that missle is just a russian missle painted and overclocked and tweaked by the iranians...nothing more, nothing less.....everyone needs to chill out

Originally posted by shire19

Reuters:
Earlier in the day, Rear Admiral Mohammad-Ebrahim Dehqani said Iran would have further important announcements to make over the course of the wargames.

"We are going to have very important news that will make our nation proud in the next few days," he told state television.

I wonder what it is?

Let me guess as to what one of these announcements might be...Taking a path used by North Korea, Iran will announce they now have a nuclear weapon. Even if they don't have one, this will definitely throw a wrench in the works. What does the US do next should Iran utilize such a ploy?


[edit on 3-4-2006 by signs]

Just wanted to add something here-The Canadian government came into possesion of the Shkval underwater high speed torpedo.That was about two to three years ago.If the Candians have it,you bet the Americans have it too.And bet they have worked on some kind of counter-measure for the damn thing.I don't think the U.S. is too wooried about it.

Man there are some Navy amatures on this forum. To correct several poorly made points.

First, According to Janes, the Shkval was sold to China, so Russia isn't the only country that has them.

Source: Rupert Pengelley, “Grappling For Submarine Supremacy,” Jane’s International Defense Review, July 1996, p. 53.

The German Barracuda has been around awhile...

www.morgenwelt.de...

...not to mention DARPA actually invented the concept before the Russians, and is currently working on a new project to use supercavitation to deploy Navy SEALs. Just because the US didn't make a weapon for production, doesn't mean it hasn't been done in testing.

www.darpa.mil...

Second, this isn't news, it is just verification. Last year Chinese press reported that Iran was producing new torpedoes.

news.xinhuanet.com...

Now to the meat and potatoes, look closer to the torpedo, it is not the Russian Shkval, it is clearly an Iranian produced version. Notice the small slanting-ellipsoid frontal cavitator, that is western design (similar to the Barracuda actually, compare the pics), not Russian. I expect you will see sub experts coming out of the woodwork about this over the next few weeks.

Fourth, whoever was talking about the CBG... The US Navy no longer deploys Carrier Battle Groups, that is cold war speak.

In 2004, the US Navy reorganized into 3 distinct types of surface task forces, the Carrier Strike Group, the Expeditionary Strike Group, and the Surface Action Group.

While none of these Task Force elements have the same makeup or design, the basic idea is:

CSG:
Any 4-6 ship combination of the following:

1 Carrier
1-2 CG
1-2 DDGs
1 FFG
1 SSN

ESG:
Any 6-7 ship combination of the following

1 LHD/LHA
1 LPD
1 '___'
1 CG
1-2 DDG
1 FFG
1 SSN

SAG:

Any 3-5 ship combination of the following:

1 CG
1-3 DDG
1-2 FFG
1 '___'

This isn't the task force age anymore, that died with the cold war. The US Navy is now in the CEC networked battle force age where ships and groups combine together and with allies to create force multipliers.

Finally, John Pike noted during interviews tonight that the new Iranian torpedo did not have homing capability and was launched from a dedicated test platform. While certainly interesting on TV, it is the modern military equal to a WWII submarine with a fast torpedo. He mentioned the manueverability of the weapon is done by preprogrammed computer information, in other words, no datalink.

When it is all said and done, this isn't a weapon for an Iranian submarine, it is a weapon for a disguised boghammer. The best submarine weapon Iran still has is the EM-53 bottom-tethered mine, which is more likely to do considerable damage to a warship than any torpedo or missile the Iranian Kilo's have, plus they keep the Kilo from a direct confrontation, which is important considering they haven't been refit since delivered in the early 90s.

holy #e


sorry but with a CSG you have 1 fig for sub hunting.


thats a dead CSG.


even with a CSG and an SAG you only have 3 fig`s - again not enough to cover - and a destroyer isn` t a sub hunter - you`ll find at least 1 burke in there (if not 2 ) and there air defence.

personally i think the burke`s are trying to do too much - they have to give somewhere.

Interesting post darksided

I'll be the first to admit that I am a novice at naval explanation, but what worries me most is that there is a possibility that the US Navy/Army/Air Force/Marines could get too cocky/overconfident and make big mistakes.

We have to remember that if we are going to fight the Iranian Navy at all, it wil be because of the Strait of Hormuz, right? It's not that wide, and not all of it is passible. If I remember right, there are two lanes, one is 2 miles wide, the other is a mile wide.

Originally posted by Harlequin
holy #e


sorry but with a CSG you have 1 fig for sub hunting.


thats a dead CSG.

Your still thinking cold war too. The US has 2 carriers on deployment today. The TFs are:

USS Reagan CSG
DDG 73
DDG 85
CG 57
SSN 770
T-AOE 7

USS Lincoln CSG
CG 53
DDG 59
DDG 86
SSN XXX

Both of those Task Forces are better at fighting submarines than any Task Force with 12 ships was during the 90s. Sub fighting is no longer about onboard systems, it is about offboard systems.

US Navy Frigates are not ASW platforms much anymore. Heck, US Oliver Hazard Perry frigates don't even have a single missile onboard anymore, and they no longer deploy with towed sonars.

SM-1s were taken off the OHP ships and sold to Taiwan with the Kidd destoryers, and the last Harpoon launchers were removed last year. Most people don't realize this, but most US surface ships don't even sail with Harpoon missiles anymore (Flight IIA of the AB destroyers were designed without Harpoons), and the TACTOM software for targetting a ship is still in beta (released soon though), meaning right now not a single US warship has an anti-ship missile other than the Standard, which is primarily an Air-to-Air missile.

Amatures can try to debate me, but they will be disappointed when they realize I am 100% correct on every point listed above. The cold war is over, the way the US Navy fights today is much different than the stereotypes of the 80s-90s many people still have about the US Navy.

Remember in the 90s how the US had worse ASW warfare than most countries, leading to strong statements from Navy Admirals about the poor shape of ASW within the US Navy? There is a famous incident during Gulf War I when one of the US Marine ships hit a mine. The Admiral was specific, he wanted an escort to get it out of the mined waters and he specifically said "it better be flying a Canadian Flag."

Well, the US and Canada have developed ASW tactics that rival the British which are considered best in the world in the 21st century. If you read the news, you'll notice every Carrier that deploys in the Pacific does an ASW exercise off Hawaii with the HMS Gotland (AIP sub on rent by the USN) and there is always at least 1 Candaian ship partisipating in the exercises (because they are a clear world leader in ASW hunting). Thanks to measures like this, the US Navy is now among the elite in ASW by not focusing on platforms like frigates, while developing new technologies.

I'd go into more detail, but it really should be done in a new thread, considering the topic would no doubt shift to a discussion about the LCS, which traditional people dislike, and most people don't understand.