Iran tests fastest underwater missile

All I gotta say is, Iran ain't going down without a fight.

If we do go to war with them, it won't be pretty. Especially when we're already warring all over the place. Hmmm, let me think, who did something like this before...oh, yeah, HITLER. And he ended up getting crushed.

Expect a draft if we get knee deep in Iran, peeps. I'm gonna dodge it Vietnam style, though; no way I'm dying for some piece of spit elites.

Remember the terrorists are the globalists....Iran is merely defending itself which it should....And yes I know I know we can level anyone and anything on the planet. But like I said before just because you think you can win by brute force doesn't mean you will. And as a american I can say those things....We sure as hell aren't winning right now!! over 70% of this country is sick of Bush and this administration!! how many times to the polls have to consistently show that..The big war is coming....and when the economy collaspes and the police state forms..You can thank your government

I can see hunting subs but why would you want an underwater missle to destroy ships ? The cruise missle is way faster. Can this missle also go to ground targets to or is it like a torpedo on speed ?

Now it is the time to judgment, as I have being a military fans for 20 years, I know any weapon has been tested not means which can be used at once, so NATO should determine now whether they are going to solve the problem of Iran nuke by military, if NATO decide they have to use military power at end, I strongly recomande that NATO should do action as early as they can. In our China there is a famous book called Sunzi Art in which said the perfect way in military used is do faster than immortals. I have made warning that Russia and China will give some more advanced special weapon to Iran to whittle down US profit, so this looks like an agent war, Iran as a test bad of Russian and Chinese weapon, they can test everything without cost. But on the other hand, if US still can show their determination to relieve Iranian nuke power, even if after Iran anounced they has tested such many advanced weapons, I believe nuke won't be spreaded in the future.

gosh you overate the US navies ability to hunt subs , overate the ability of a nuke boat and underate a daiesel boat!


ina red flag exercise a few years aho - the brits sank a carrier 4 times - each time slipping inside 6 ASW ships popping the carrier with missiles then with torps then slipping away.



ative sonar - yeah its great to ping everything but you don`t do it all the time

why? homeing torpedo`s - the moment you ping you give a massive `HERE I AM` so anyone listening , and those close enough shoot a torp down the line at slow speed and you scoot off at 90 degree`s to the shot


The US NAvy , whilst the largest is NOT the best , and they haven`t trained properly in ASW tactics for years (not since the cold war)

Originally posted by Harlequin
gosh you overate the US navies ability to hunt subs

Oh really? guess who was trailing the kursk when it went down?

Originally posted by XphilesPhan



Oh really? guess who was trailing the kursk when it went down?

Not the US, a Dutch company called Smit Tak or Smit International

Originally posted by ElTiante
This missle has a range of only 1/4 of mile. How the hell is Iran going to get with in 1/4 mile of anything with don't want them too, so that they can launch this thing?

I'm not sure where you heard that, but everything I've seen says it has a range of about 7 miles. Which still isn't far at all.

Originally posted by Sir Solomon
Here is how I would see things go down if there was a CBG with 3 ASW-capable screen ships (2 in front, 1 in back. This changing accordingly as they are orbiting around the carrier.)

Now all three Kilos are sitting on the bottom of the sea, silent. All power has been shut down that could, and there is a skeleton crew on them. Even as the ASW screen comes near them, their sonar reads that there is only an odd shape on the floor. Now even though they would be actively pinging, they may not be able to detect the full shape of a submarine, although a good sonarmen would note, and maybe even call their supervisor to show, the objects on the floor.

Okay, the trap is layed, and the Kilos wait until there is only one ship in front screening, and the Carrier is within the range. All three suddenly spring up, and when the appropriate depth is reached, all three fire a single Shkval (I think that this would be the maximum damage they could handle, but I could be wrong).

The first strikes the lone ASW vessel, then the other twotravel and slam into the Carrier, incapacitating it.

Now is when I would move in with several small, low-profile vessels capable of firing a single Shkval each (I think this is the SSI I was asking about earlier, but I can't be sure) into the rest of the fleet.

And there you go, one CBG down, and all without a single Iranian ship lost or by using any nukes.

At least that is how I see it...

This scenario has about the same chance of success as I do of winning the lottery, sorry, but its true.

Given the current state of tensions between the US and Iran, do you really think that the Dept of the Navy, let alone the Pentagon and the Joint Chiefs are going to allow three Iranian subs to go tooling around the Persian gulf without knowing where they are to within the metre?

During the cold war, attack subs of the US Navy were tasked with shadowing Soviet Subs, both Missile and attack boats. Unlike the majority of forces who were involved in the cold war, submariners of the Warsaw Pact and NATO fought the cold war on a constant war footing. They played war every day against the adversary that might one day become their foe. All of this experience hasnt just been forgotten because the old enemy has gone away. The US NAVY, along with the Royal Navy are the best in the world at shadowing a target for months at a time, just waiting for the order to shoot (See the sinking of G Belgrano during the Falklands conflict for an example)

The Kilo class subs, whilst a perfectly plausible weapons system in itself, is in no way a match for an LA Class or Astute Class fast attack sub. The Kilo, whilst quiet, has the definite weakness of having to surface to replenish its battery life and thus provide a big "here I am" signal to any ASW activities in the area. Im afraid that if it came to a shooting war, one of the first activities would be a co-ordinated attack on all threats. The Kilos would be on the receiving end of a large volley of Mark 48 / Spearfish torpedoes, this kind of welcome is the sort of thing that really puts a downer on your day, and the only possible outcome would be the unecessary deaths of three ships complements of the Kilo's.

It would be so much better if it didnt end like this, diplomacy is still an option and the preferable one at that !

Originally posted by truthseeka
If we do go to war with them, it won't be pretty. Especially when we're already warring all over the place. Hmmm, let me think, who did something like this before...oh, yeah, HITLER. And he ended up getting crushed.

Expect a draft if we get knee deep in Iran, peeps. I'm gonna dodge it Vietnam style, though; no way I'm dying for some piece of spit elites.

Wow, you are an impressive dolt. Comparing Bush to Hitler, no one's done that yet...

While US infantry forces are presently engaged in Iraq, US air an naval force are almost entirely unasked. Given that the US has the larges navy and air force, by a huge margin, America has more than enough assets to remove Iran's nuclear facilities. Additionally, bases in Iraq, Turkey and Afghanistan offer easy access to Iran.

There's no doubt that Iran has cards to play, but I think most would agree the world can't allow those sharia retards nuclear weapons.

Now, for all the dopes who keep talking about “war” with Iran: Please get a clue. The US is not to going to Invade Iran. You just sound stupid when you write such things.

[edit on 3-4-2006 by ElTiante]

Originally posted by ElTiante

While US infantry forces are presently engaged in Iraq, US air an naval force are almost entirely unasked. Given that the US has the larges navy and air force, by a huge margin, America has more than enough assets to remove Iran's nuclear facilities. Additionally, bases in Iraq, Turkey and Afghanistan offer easy access to Iran.

There's no doubt that Iran has cards to play, but I think most would agree the world can't allow those sharia retards nuclear weapons.

Now, for all the dopes who keep talking about “war” with Iran: Please get a clue. The US is not to going to Invade Iran. You just sound stupid when you write such things.

[edit on 3-4-2006 by ElTiante]

You are right if war breaks out the US won't invade Iran at the beginning.
This scenario will happen as soon as Iran allies other muslim countries and start a campaign in Israel. Then you'll see the UN and the US will send support to Israel and invade Iran.

Compare it to what Roosevelt said during world war II, ''we'll only accept surrender by putting them on their knees deep in Germany.''

Originally posted by truthseeka
Expect a draft if we get knee deep in Iran, peeps. I'm gonna dodge it Vietnam style, though; no way I'm dying for some piece of spit elites.

That's good. You'll be doing all of us a favor if you do - I don't think anybody would want you covering their back.

Originally posted by truthseeka
Expect a draft if we get knee deep in Iran, peeps. I'm gonna dodge it Vietnam style, though; no way I'm dying for some piece of spit elites.

Ill support your dodging to North Korea. Need money? Tell me how life is in NK.

and we can all thank the Russians for that.

Amazingly..or maybe not the fantastic UN keeps quite seatting at a corner..doing nothing and simply wasting time, just like they did with Saddam, so eventually once again...the US will HAVE TO police the world, and than the world can point the finger at America again and say
"oohhh look at the bad evil Americans"

How about the sunburn missiles they have in their aresenal. It sounds like the US navy is going to be in trouble if they are in range of these babies..

see the link..

www.rense.com...

Can anyone shed some light on the Shkval able to carry nuclear warhead?
And also the one Iran has shown is it an copy of the VA-11 Shkval or the BA-11 Shkval?

It does not matter what Iran does, the US is better. Even f they launch nukes we will just activate our super forceshield generators so nothing can penetrate. Then we will burn out their cities with our high powered laser equipped satellites. Then we will like send the secret robot army our military has been developing which have the ability to go invisible so no soldier will see what hits them. And any of our foot soldiers will be able to take on five Iranian soldiers. And then... And then..

I am sorry to seem silly, but sometimes some people believe so hard that nothing can destroy them, I am sure they would also believe everything I just typed.

This missle is bad news for any agressor, and personally I believe The Pentagon is going to rethink their ship locations in the area. Cruise missles can easily be shot out of the sky by our NAVY, therefore underwater would seem a much more effective option. I do not believe any US carrier has ever been sunk by enemy fire in our Nay's history, but I could be wrong.

I have heard they have been heavily damaged to the point of rendering some inoperable, but never actually sunk by enemy fire. Would one or more missles definetly be able to sink a carrier!? I mean that is a HUGE loss. The nuclear generator, all of the aircraft, the advanced computer technology. To be able to sink one I estimate would be like sinking at least 10-20 billion dollars. That is a massive single loss as far as ANYONES military is concerned.

Pentagon has confirmed the possiblity of production of such advanced missiles indigenously in Iran, though claims Iranians have been known also to boast and exaggerate their capabilities.

Reuters:

The Pentagon said on Monday it is possible Iran has produced missiles capable of evading radar and sonar as Tehran has stated in recent days, but added that the Iranians have been known to "boast and exaggerate."

"We know that the Iranians are always trying to improve their weapons systems by both foreign and indigenous measures. It's possible that they are increasing their capability and making strides in radar-absorbing materials and targeting," said Bryan Whitman, a senior Pentagon spokesman.

"However, the Iranians have been known also to boast and exaggerate their statements about great technical and tactical capabilities," Whitman added.

"Iran's military developments have centred on its ballistic missile program, which Tehren views as its primary deterrent. It has the largest inventory of ballistic missiles in the Middle East," Whitman said. "Over the past year, Iran has continued testing its medium-range ballistic missiles, and has also tested anti-ship missiles," Whitman added.

KEEP IT REAL

I am laughing at you, jsobecky, deltaboy, and ElTiante. Why? Because I'm sure Rome was full of people like you. "Man, no one can beat us, bring em on!"

But, I am glad that there are people like you out there. Ya know, people who will give their lives for elites who could care less about them. Even with Pearl Harbor, even with the disgusting racism at the time, I would have had no problem fighting in WWII. That was actually a war that meant something. You're SUPPOSED to fight against an enemy when you're fighting to preserve your country. Take it back old school with the wars.

Ha, you couldn't pay me to fight these bonehead wars being fought these days. When politicians call you cannon fodder? When the govt stages terror attacks to perpetuate the plans of the super elite?

ElTiante, I love your insults. Keep licking those boots, homey!

And, BTW, the Persians/Iranians are not gonna roll over and let our military stomp them. Ha, our big bad military can't even stomp out a rag-tag, guerrilla group of insurgents, no matter how people demean them as inferior "rug riders/ragheads/towelheads."

I bet if the US announced it was invading Iran, North Korea, AND China tomorrow, you boys would be like "yeah, git em, they can't stop us, we're invincible!!!"