America is about to collapse it seems.

America to collapse, yeah ok whatever.

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[edit on 1-4-2006 by Benevolent Heretic]

Originally posted by Zod

.............cause our economy to collapse and cause us to become a Third World country.

[edit on 1-4-2006 by Zod]

Very,very,very unlikely..

When my lot (the British Empire) were no longer a superpower, we did not collapse into a Third World country. We was the richest country too with a strong economy before we fell, but we never became a Third World country.

Illegal immigration has been going on for quite some time now. I don't see what the big deal is about it. People are panicking for no reason. people out in the styx need to get out to the big cities more often and they would have seen illegal immigrants have been around for a long time and this year is no different.
The one thing that is hurting is the fact that these fat-cat politicians with big war chests stuffed with cash are the ones who are going to be elected while the lesser known average joe who would be a better candidate gets edged out of the race. Maybe one day people will get smart and limit the spending on a campaign to a couple million rather then 10's of millions. These losers spend millions on smear campaigns alone. Thats pretty pitiful. It seems like its only going to be the rich who rule if it stays the way it is.

Originally posted by infinite

When my lot (the British Empire) were no longer a superpower, we did not collapse into a Third World country. We was the richest country too with a strong economy before we fell, but we never became a Third World country.

What's the Roman Empire up to, these days?

Originally posted by firebat
What's the Roman Empire up to, these days?

It never became a Third World, it just just invaded by other Empires. Then the nation "Italy" was created. Roman Empire broke up, just like the British.

Oh Plueeze, George isnt worried about the national debt. He knows something we dont apparently.

Havent you been watching? George is happier than he's ever been...the jokes and the laughter are just nauseating... These are good times!!!!!

Why, even our crotchety VP is seen laughing all the time now. Its the latest strategy to appeal to the dumb masses.

Lets all join, shall we???

I don't think this nation has laughed in six years.

From the Declaration of Independence;
When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political band which have connnected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the seperate and equal station to which the laws of nature of of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the seperation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they aare endowed by their Creator withh certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rightss, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government.

It's time to take back our country. We love the people of the world, even the French, and our government isn't representing us correctly. Start the revolution, I will join. Where is our new leader? I am ready to give my life to end the oppression. We are quickly running out of time. We have the ability to change the future for our children. If we don't, we will all become prisoners of the establishment. Let freedom ring!!!!!

I agree 100 percent with all the indicators cited in this thread. Bad times are indeed here. I choose to remain hopeful - what I see from here (Canada), is a great nation in turmoil - and no matter what the citizenry does, its' elected officials are responsible to them alone.

There are a great many people beginning to wake up and smell the coffee.
It would seem only a matter of time before the resourceful and independent peoples of the 'States share and voice there views in new and creative ways - right now the voices are coalescing looking for a common note - and when that note is struck - the American people will take back their nation to the benefit of all peoples.

I'm not a fan of mainstream media and use it for monitoring purposes mostly but the peripheral media out of the 'States is very encouraging. Many of the folks who used to be seen as crackpot journalists are making more and more sense over time - I like the whole Libertarian-Indy mindset.

It's kinda-like America knows something is wrong and many even know what's wrong but the mechanism to fix it is an old technology waiting to be dusted off and re-discovered and taken to heart - the Constitution.

I look forward to the day when I can feel as good about the American nation as I do about her peoples and her States. America is still pretty cool - just no one here wants to visit there (unless they really have to) until you folks get your country back where it belongs.

Thanx eh, and best of luck friends...

Don't know about collapsing into a third world country.
However, it is inevtiable that we will not be the most powerful country in the world forever.

In my opinion, the first mistake we made was when we stopped being a confederation (13 colony days).


Anyways, I do see atleast one way that America would be decimated as superpower country today, that is if a country with alot of Nukes, pretty much Russia, since apart from the US and Russia, there are only 500 nuclear weapons in held by other countries, strikes half our major cities and 80%+ of our nuclear launch platforms.

Of course most people will say that it's impossible for one reason or the other, well it's not impossible, you just got to make the missiles super stealthy.


I think to stay relatively powerful in the future, we ned to do the following:

1. Stop participation in all wars, and bring all American military assets back to their stations.
2. Become socialist, or atleast a system that's half socialist half capitalist.
3. Vote a law in that makes it illegal for politicios to receive any campaign money.
4. Create more laws prohibiting what corporations can and can't do.



Anyways, that's what I think.


Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to go become a traito and give the russian super stealth missile designs so they can blow stuff up.

Actually, I believe lately we've been making a small dent in the deficit...though obviously a long way to go.

I despise our current idiot in charge as much as the next person, but I don't think America is going under anytime soon. For one thing, one of our biggest weaknesses is also our biggest strengths. Consumerism.

We Americans are the world's biggest consumers, and therefore the world's largest customer base. Simply put, many foreign up and coming superpowers depend on the US as customers, and they aren't going to let America go belly up...as they'd be simultaneously slitting their own wrists. We're still the world's largest economy, and while the Chinese are gaining, they of course also depend on US consumerism.

Illegal aliens, while a problem, are also a cheap labor source. Hence, either party's rush to do anything about the problem, as it's a catch 22. Always has been, always will be.

The big plan has really already been unveiled, but it will take time... Weening America off the teat of foreign oil dependancy. This is really the one big "out", and I'd wager that some of the behind the scenes goings on relate directly to this.

Those shouting "no war for oil" don't appear to be getting it. Wars have been fought for FAR less important reasons, and oil is survival in the modern world, so it's like saying, "no war for survival!" Sounds silly doesn't it?

Still, there's a right way and a wrong way to go about it, and the current administration has embraced old school thinking, and clearly used the "wrong" way.....

Nevertheless, I'm quite confident my grandchildren's children will still be saying, "I pledge allegiance, to the flag, of the United States of America...." for quite some time.

Of course, I think it's also likely that some generations after that, we'll no longer have nations, just corporations. In a sense, that's really what we have now....only then it'll be more "official".....

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Yeah...

Damn those handsome Aztlan devils...

Originally posted by Zod
Okay folks lets look at the facts:

Howdy Zod. Glad to see Superman couldn't keep you down. Love your work.

* Our National Debt is 8.3 Trillion, yes TRILLION dollars and the cap has been raised to 9 Trillion, but probably we will be 10 Trillion in debt by the time Bush leaves office. Source

Yes, this is the primary reason America is headed for trouble. But didn't the globalists give Americans a chance to NOT be bloated and fat? I mean, if the American frugality of old had been preserved, we wouldn't be refinancing whatever little equity is left in our houses, right? And what are we being encouraged to with the re-fi loan? Why, buy a jet ski or some other useless fuel-slurping toy.

How can America get right so long as the Banksters are creating debt every day? They encourage you to sit down and "qualify" for a loan. Then, they give you a check to sign. Why don't they give you cash for the loan? Because they make their money three-times over: 1: when you sign the "contract" (not really a contract, actually a promissary note) they get credit from your signature on it, 2: When you endorse the check they give you, they deposit in an account (they get credit here also), and 3: when you make payments, they collect the principle a third time. Of course if it's a home mortgage, you'll spend the first ten years paying mostly interest, and owning nothing.

So how can a sick person, get better, if they keep eating raw sugar? They can't. Americans could get smarter, but they are hooked on financial (and mental) junk food.

* The Iraq War is costing us $177 Million a day, so far we have spent $237.7 Billion dollars so far on the war

Yes, but this could end if we pulled out. America could go 180 degrees toward peace and rebuilding infrastructure in Iraq, but it's clear we are simply there to flush out the USA-haters and fight them in Iraq. That country is like the boxing ring which guys like Rumsfeld set up to fight Islamofascists "over there" instead of fighting them "here".

Actually, I think radical Islam has actually won over a few members of Congress (secretly). Think about it. If you could have a bunch of wives, what congressman wouldn't sell out? Sex is what they want, and Islam promises them oodles and oodles of sex (in the privacy of their own tent, of course) and several young wives to choose from. I believe there are US leaders now who have secretly converted and who hope for America to be Islamized. They are betting the house on that relgion to be the next global religon.

* There are 11 Million illegal immigrants in the country and thousands pour in across the border daily. Such groups like Atzlan openly advocate the murder of whites, blacks and other non-Hispanics. They also openly say they want ethnic wars to break out and that they want to take over the Western and Southern United States and merge it with Mexico.

Less of a problem. 11 million is not much compared to the population of the US. This 11 million is poor and happy just to be here. Yes, I will agree that some silly rhetoric is being spouted on both sides, but frankly, I do believe that these 11 million people (well, those who are able) will be drafted and used as second-class soldiers once the war gets going big.

I have no problem with Mexicans or latin people. As a white American, I do not see them as threatening America, since America is actually not a "white" country, but is a country of individuals. Individualism apart from color or culture, is what America stands for, IMO. These Mexicans just want a better life for their familia, and they want to escape their own country (Mexico is in Vatican-held caste slavery). Again, it is economics which moves all of this. Much moreso than nationalism. Feed a man, and he will wave your flag.

* President Bush signed a budget bill into law that didn't pass congress. that's illegal folks.

Add it to the list of crimes which his family has perpetuated against the people of America. He'll never apologize. Even if Dubya was being led by the American people to the gallows, you'd have Barbara Bush crying crocodile tears on TV. This family and their connected associates have flown this country straight into the ground, to further their new thousand year reich, or whatever it is they think they are building. I'm sure it has something to do with pan-spermia and outer space or some other contrived spectacle. They want nothing but death for Americans.

* The government tortures Iraqi and Afghani prisoners and John Yoo openly said the United States can crush the genitals of child infront of their parents.

I'm glad you quoted the link to the testicle crushing comment, rendered by that attorney for the Bushes. That enraged me when I first read it. Torture is used only for reprisal and revenge. It's used by people who like torture and who like to see people tortured. That's who's in charge of America now. Jill Carroll is not tortured at all in captivity? Looks like psy-ops is not the domain of only the US. The bad guys can pull psy-ops on Americans too.

* American's infastructure is being sold off to foreign countries

Blame the Bushes (and 'brother' slick Willy Clinton) for the treason toward China. But then, China is so deep into the US economically, that it doesn't matter if they own the panama canal or not.

This is all the plot of the globalist and it seems to be working, in the end we are all screwed because the majority of American's won't wake up to was is really going on around them.

Well, I agree it looks bleak. Still, all Americans would have to do is stop patronizing banks entirely (Why did Jesus ONLY get really upset at the money changers? Hmmm...) or refuse to pay taxes. If this happens, the bankers will use their armies and tricks, just like they have done before.

Maybe in the future, Americans will demand integrity from their representatives? Or perhaps obedience from their money-changers? But until that day comes, these two groups are leading us where they want us to go. And the most profitable future for them, is to consume America as if it were a delicious meal. Consumerism is the highest moral ideal, right? So why be surprised to see your very own country consumed?

Anyway, collapse doesn't mean it won't be rebuilt. Unfortunately all we've got is credit (no real money) so how would we pay for the rebuilding. Again, the question is all about money. But where's the temple? And who are the moneychangers?


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As a hugely patriotic person, I hope America never goes down. But I do not like the way our country is going, that's for sure. My hope for America's sustainance is based only on the hope we become a better country.

Nevertheless, I'm quite confident my grandchildren's children will still be saying, "I pledge allegiance, to the flag, of the United States of America...." for quite some time

Of course,
its highly unlikely that the Union is going to break up if the United States is no longer the super power. The United States will probably benefit not being a superpower state, turning a new page and rebuilding the Country.

Revolution Solution...

Originally posted by infinite
When my lot (the British Empire) were no longer a superpower, we did not collapse into a Third World country.

Not talking about losing a superpower status.

After thinking some, though, if the US's economy collapses, all it would take to boot it back up would be to introduce a new currency. But then we would probably be right back on the same track we were when the Federal Reserve Act was passed. The currency would be strong for a while, then it would just swell up and bottom out. Money needs to be regulated by the people, not banks, plain and simple.

This is all the plot of the globalist and it seems to be working, in the end we are all screwed because the majority of American's won't wake up to was is really going on around them.

LOL, Get a grip. Some people were panicking just like you when the US was drawn into ww1, the great depression, ww2, when the Soviets tested their first nuke, Vietnam etc...

Fear can be an overwhelming force but is controllable. Control yours, you'll look a lot more credible.

As far as the opinion ofthe rest of the world goes, screw 'em. Yep, I said it, screw 'em. As long as we're top dog we'll be the scapegoats for everything. We'll be the conveniet blame for every incompetent leader and failing system in the world. Every despot will use us as an excuse to build a huge military while his people starve, all along the real reason will be power and imperialism.

I find it humorous that the US is considered imperialist and so many other nations aren't. France hates us simply because they aren't the super power. Speaking of France. Has anybody taken look over there in the last few years. They hate the heck out of us and their system is crumbling. The more it fails the more we are the blame. Defect blame, it's centuries old and a gullable public will accept it. Next to nothing we do, with the exception of allowing them to vote for our President is going to change that.

A little off topic but talk about a country nearing collapse. How long before the UN and NATO starts asking us to deploy peace keepers in france? LOL! There's a nation whos national ego really is destroying them. Abundunt racism and socialism, they are toast. They can't even attempt some reform without the populace trying to drag them back into the dark ages, literally.

People complain about our immigration policy because we not only expect assimilation, we damand it. The fact is too many immigrants from one region creates immigrants in the US, not immigrant Americans. Compare that to nations like France who's immigration is far less than ours. France and some other nations, do the opposite of the US. Bring them in (Africans and Arabs), give them welfare, put them in govt. housing and expect them to remain content in their cages because they just plain aren't good enough to be French. The average man want's to feel the pride of supporting his family. He wants to know that his children will have a chance at doing better than him. France like so many other European nations don't offer that. The neolibs would have you thinking that the only protests going on in France are being done by young people worried about an oppressive work initiative. Seems some folks in France think the protesters are just a bunch of spoiled, white, lazy, rich, socialists trying to keep them down.

www.latimes.com...

This country isn't going anywhere in the near future. As France proves, others have far more problems than us. Like it or not, the world depends on us. If our economy collapses, so does theirs. No amount of deflection would stop other world leaders from being tossed out of power then. Wars would be more plentiful because of the power vacuum. Countries and other ideoligies would scramble to fill it.

Neolibs want you to believe bombing civilians in the former Yugoslavia, people who didn't threaten me in any way shape or form btw, was an honorable mission, but removing the despotic leaders of a nation that was protecting the man responsible for the worst terrorist attack on US soil, is imperialism. As much as neolibs the world over try, the US isn't going anywhere.

Eventually people wake up to the bs. Europe a little slower because of an emotional issue, envy. European empires ruled the world in the past with iron fists for the sole purpose of their own gain. They never allowed those they conquered a chance to participate in the system. They had their chance, they blew it and they know it.

Is the USA perfect? Ofcourse not. We make mistakes, huge mistakes. Our history full of greed and racism, ups and downs but unlike so many other "empires" before, we evolved, we adapted. We spend a great deal more time and money trying to improve lives for everyone, even those outside the US. Even those we consider enemies.

Example, Iraq would be done and over if we'd done it the good old European or socialist empiracle way. Go in, kill anyone that dares resist us, destroy their infrastructure and terrorize the populace, rape the nation of any indepence whatsoever. Instead we take the win them over, allow them to create a govt. for themselves and hopefully get the heck out route. Does this work? I have no concrete opinion yet. I didn't agree with going in and I don't agree with just pulling out. I'm not ready to accept the neolib controlled media's opinion that we should just cut and run yet for many reasons. One of them being, I spent some time in the army and I still have friends in that return and tell me what the media tells you and what's really happening are completely different. Iraq isn't going to be our undoing.

People complain about foriegn investment. That's a bad thing? Last I checked that meant you were putting funds into something, in this case, the US. Few people invest in failing ventures and sure as heck don't attack their investments. I'd be more worried if no one was willing to invest in the US.

What the world will be like fifty years from now, I don't know but I'm sure we'll still be here. Get a handle on yourself.

A country that spends nearly half of it's federal budget on their military is destined to failure. The military is a necessary tool but not the only one needed to sustain a country. I would hate to get sick in your country and end up with a mammoth hospital bill. There are so many problems that need to be addressed. Your two party system for one. Canada has several parties running for federal election(not that ours is perfect) but it gives the people a better choice and at least covers the broad spectrum of idealism for Canada.

We are always classed as a "socialist" country. Why? Because we think that people deserve good health, financial support when things arean't going well. As many faults as the Liberal party had in Canada, the one good thing they did for us was to get us out of deficit spending. It took a lot of blood sweat and tears and still will. We've had surplus' for the last 8 years on a Federal level and some of the provinces are getting there as well.

The problem with the US is that you seem to think military action and "TEAM AMERICA WORLD POLICE" is the answer to all your problems. The "War on Terrorism" is a sham. Look at Hoodini, he could make an elephant dissappear right in front of your eyes by distracting you with something else. The US should take a lesson from the British and their "war on terrorism" with the IRA(which the US supported). Policing and military action actually made things worse. The Iron Lady ordered assassinations, random detentions, etc, etc.

What the US is doing now with detainees reminds me of the movie "Minority Report". 90% of the detainees are being charged with pre-crimes. They haven't actually commited any crimes but they might. Whatever happened to "Innocent until proven Guilty". Impeach this guy and all of his cronies. He has over stepped his authority many times, you have the ammo to do it. SO DO IT!

Originally posted by DEEZNUTZ
A country that spends nearly half of it's federal budget on their military is destined to failure. The military is a necessary tool but not the only one needed to sustain a country.

Maybe in the past, but now Military and defense budgets are vital. Believe it or not about 90% of the technology we use now, are because of military and defense research. Cut the budgets, you loose the technology, and the edge.