Cutting Through the Matrix - Freemasonry

What Alan Watt is talking about is mostly true!!!

Masons have written our history.
Their fraternity is one of the biggest conspiracies ever, and I'm not talking about a theory.
You can see what's going on if you read books from different sources. When they start with mentioning that their fraternity first started in 1717 in London, then you know you have the wrong book. But still read it and compare it with other books.

The structure of their society is so intelligently formed that it provides the best solution against people who try to get the truth out. The biggest part of their members don't know what their fraternity is about. They think it's about self enlightenment, charity and other bullsh*t. So these people fight any allegation against their society because they believe they have a correct idea of what it's about. They say there is no connection between all lodges.. Go read the websites of their lodges and compare them. If you're able, read from different languages and see how familiar it becomes. They have centralized marketing.. It's so obvious but you have to go and see for yourself.

The masons on ATS, are creating a smokescreen for everyone who is looking for the truth. For many people this is the first place to find out about this evil fraternity, and the masons know that. They are playing with your mind, as they have been doing for hundreds of years.

If you're really interested do your own investigation. And don't stop after your first book, it could be a forgery.

Now follow up the reactions of the masons and enjoy their show


[edit on 7-1-2007 by buddhaLight]

A good way to see through there scam:

Read past threads with topics that question the aims of the fraternity.
Write down the pro's and contra's and see the same people returning.

They work here day after day, month after month and year after year...
A lot of energy... for what?

Misinformation!

John F. Kennedy talking about secret societies at Alan Watts website

The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it’s in my control. And no official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press and the public the facts they deserve to know.

video: JFK Speech on Secret societies and freedom of the Press

don't be misguided when they say their society is not secret..
It's not because they tell you a little bit about it, it's not secret.
There is much more then they tell you!

Look at the text in the quote I've put in bold. Wasn't he right about that?

[edit on 8-1-2007 by buddhaLight]

"If I were reincarnated, I would wish to be returned to Earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels." Prince Phillip, World Wildlife Fund

I like that quote from Prince Phillip. I don't think he's active any more in freemasonry. But he was intiated along time ago. That's just vicious to say.

Andy have you got any sources for this and proof of him being a freemason,

It's known he was invited to the Bilderberg Conference several times.

List of Bilderberg 2004 participants

He was intiated. They said he no longer is active. But yeah I will look into the sources thing be back in a while.

Originally posted by Masonic Light
In all likelihood, Plato received initiation in the Mysteries of Demeter at Eleusis.

I'm quite sure that Plato, like Pythagoras, received Initiation at Temples all over the world(or at least in Khemet and Greece).

It is documented that Pythagoras was Initiated into to the Indian, Greek and Khemetian Mysteries, no?

Also, in PLato's Republic, it should be remembered, the rulers are so wise and virtuous that they must be compelled to rule. In other words, they don't want to because of their own humility and distaste for politics. The only thing that compels them to rule is fear of the incompetent receiving political power, an evil all too well known in modern capitalist democracies, where money, and not competence, determines who will be the leaders.

So perhaps Plato, knowing that the days of the Shekem Kings were pretty much over(except for in the Land of the Snow-Lion), sought to implement the next best thing.

Yeah, well any way here's the link.

home.planet.nl...

Read through it's in their buddah

Originally posted by Tamahu


It is documented that Pythagoras was Initiated into to the Indian, Greek and Khemetian Mysteries, no?

Yes. One of the most important symbols of the Third Degree of Masonry is the 47th Problem of Euclid. In the Lecture, it is said that this symbol was invented by "our ancient friend and brother, Pythagoras, who, in travels throughout Asia and the East was initiated into several orders of priesthood, and raised to the sublime degree of Master Mason" The latter comment probably alludes to Pythagoras having been admitted to the mysteries of Osiris at Thebes.

So perhaps Plato, knowing that the days of the Shekem Kings were pretty much over(except for in the Land of the Snow-Lion), sought to implement the next best thing.

Plato was mostly railing against the Athenian democracy, which he considered week, and ran by wealthy elitist imbeciles. His major grudge was that the Athenian government ordered the execution of his master, Socrates.

In Plato's view, democracy is next to the last in the list of desired governments because he believed that people will elect any idiot who tends to their own vanity. This eventually leads to the worst form of government on Plato's list: tyranny.

Originally posted by Tamahu


It is documented that Pythagoras was Initiated into to the Indian, Greek and Khemetian Mysteries, no?

Yes. One of the most important symbols of the Third Degree of Masonry is the 47th Problem of Euclid. In the Lecture, it is said that this symbol was invented by "our ancient friend and brother, Pythagoras, who, in travels throughout Asia and the East was initiated into several orders of priesthood, and raised to the sublime degree of Master Mason" The latter comment probably alludes to Pythagoras having been admitted to the mysteries of Osiris at Thebes.

So perhaps Plato, knowing that the days of the Shekem Kings were pretty much over(except for in the Land of the Snow-Lion), sought to implement the next best thing.

Plato was mostly railing against the Athenian democracy, which he considered week, and ran by wealthy elitist imbeciles. His major grudge was that the Athenian government ordered the execution of his master, Socrates.

In Plato's view, democracy is next to the last in the list of desired governments because he believed that people will elect any idiot who tends to their own vanity. This eventually leads to the worst form of government on Plato's list: tyranny.

Masonic Light:

Plato was mostly railing against the Athenian democracy, which he considered week, and ran by wealthy elitist imbeciles. His major grudge was that the Athenian government ordered the execution of his master, Socrates.

In Plato's view, democracy is next to the last in the list of desired governments because he believed that people will elect any idiot who tends to their own vanity. This eventually leads to the worst form of government on Plato's list: tyranny.

It is for his thoughts mostly on government that Plato is my scholarly idol. His ideas on Democracy where so right on, even though it as thousands of years before a massive democratic republic like America was formed.

But anyways..

Buddah maybe Masons on this site defend Masonry not because it is "misinformation" but because they love their brotherhood and do not want people like you spread malicious unfounded lies about Masonry?

Originally posted by Rockpuck
Buddah maybe Masons on this site defend Masonry not because it is "misinformation" but because they love their brotherhood and do not want people like you spread malicious unfounded lies about Masonry?

Everything is possible Rockpuck..
But after what I've read, seen, heard and discussed about for a long time now, I don't believe in these ferrytales any more. In my honest opinion, they're either in denyal or they're fooling everybody.

There are only 2 kinds of freemasons.
That's the low degree unknowing goodguy, and the high degree manipulating scumbag.

And I cannot say this enough. Don't take them on their word. They fool their own members till they have a higher degree that grants them more knowledge.

There are numerous amounts of researchers worldwide. Get in touch with one of these people and have a serious discussion.

Does any of you deniers look at the information presented by researchers like Alan Watt, Jim Marrs, Alex Jones,...?

I firmly doubt it...

Originally posted by Rockpuck

It is for his thoughts mostly on government that Plato is my scholarly idol. His ideas on Democracy where so right on, even though it as thousands of years before a massive democratic republic like America was formed.

So you still believe a real democracy excist?

Sorry this is getting funny
hahaha

There is no democracy in this world

I have read things from Jim Marrs. I do think that the N.W.O. is here now they just haven't made the announcement yet. I watched a special on freemasonry done with Alex Jones. I don't mind the guy. It's just when he starts to yell that's when I get turned off. It's like David Icke and the shape shifting snakes that are in the White House. As for what you say about freemasonry I can see some of that happening buddha. I'am surprised some of the masons on the board haven't decided to take you up on your thoughts.

Originally posted by buddhaLight
There are only 2 kinds of freemasons.
That's the low degree unknowing goodguy, and the high degree manipulating scumbag.

Can you back this allegation up at all?

Originally posted by Trinityman

Originally posted by buddhaLight
There are only 2 kinds of freemasons.
That's the low degree unknowing goodguy, and the high degree manipulating scumbag.

Can you back this allegation up at all?

HA

Naturally not.

These self important INTERNET research guys come on here "Well I read this site with Alex Jones and HE says that Masons control the world and blew up the twin towers to prepare us all to be their slaves!" .. Well common now that HAS to be true because a guy with a little video camera said it.. and you can't just put anything on the internet now can you?

Did you know Buddah, that you can take a 1day class in Free Masonry? Yeah. Does not take long to get to the 3rd degree, just depends on the pace you set your self.. and it can take a while or a short amount of time (1day) to become a 32 degree Mason in the SR.. so if you go up to fast our "masters" are not "enlightening" us with all the real "secrets" that involve "dominating the world" ? .. Right.

Why wait till now?

Free Masonry is NOT new .. it is OLD... why wait till now to implement this .... plan? .. Why not in the 1800's? .. or 1700's? or 1900's? .. would have been easier no? ..

At least I can safley say I do not live in fear of a group of men whos most exciting event is a spegetti dinner.

I have been listening to Alan Watt for about two years now, he is one of

the most briliiant historians I have ever listened to. I enjoy the way he

speaks, because he doesn't feel the need to constantly raise his voice

and get in yelling matches with other guests. His grasp of human society

is unparalled. By the way according to Alan their are 360 degrees of

Freemasonry. People at 33 degrees think that is the top but it is really

pretty lowly. He says that first generation can only become a 33 degree

Freemason. Second generation can become a 45 degree Freemason, and

third generation can go all the way to 360 degrees. This is just what he

said, not me, so save your keystrokes.

Originally posted by greydawn
By the way according to Alan their are 360 degrees of

Freemasonry. People at 33 degrees think that is the top but it is really

pretty lowly. He says that first generation can only become a 33 degree

Freemason. Second generation can become a 45 degree Freemason, and

third generation can go all the way to 360 degrees. This is just what he

said, not me, so save your keystrokes.

Awesome! I'm a third generation.... I'll be very suprised however.

Originally posted by Trinityman

Originally posted by buddhaLight
There are only 2 kinds of freemasons.
That's the low degree unknowing goodguy, and the high degree manipulating scumbag.

Can you back this allegation up at all?

I don't want you to take me on my word.
Lets say it's something that comes with a long time of researche.

Do you really want to know. Then do your own investigation. Stop questioning everything that's against the organisation. Go look for yourself.
There is nobody that can convince you besides yourself. One icke or one Marss can only give you the path, the rest you will have to do for yourselves.

You seem to be very intrested in these topics. Because your always here to debunk.

There is notting bad about freemasonry!!!

Oh man, how ignorant can you be.