why cant everyone just accept the facts!

Originally posted by notbuynit

Originally posted by worksoftplayhard
why cant some of you just accept the planes cause it to fall not bombs in the tower not a ufo attack just the planes? i can accept it.

Lol, why would you even try? Are you new or something?

Most of these people it's just pure politics. If Clinton, Gore or Kerry was the President they wouldn't see a conspiracy. These people can sometimes be reasoned with.

Then there's the group that just plain doesn't trust any Govt., business, fraternal order or whatever, period. These guys see conspiracies everywhere. If the President stubs his toe walking to the podium, he was signaling the CIA to assasinate the leader of Zimbabwe, if the the leader just so happens to die that day. How he died means nothing, fact is he died and the President is guilty of it. There's no such thing as chaos with these people. Nothing just happens. There's always some evil entity behind everything and no amount of reason or facts will change their minds once set. If you continue to reason with them you will either be accused of being a govt. agent or just another member of the ignorant public too dumb, brainwashed or scared to see what's so obvious to them. These people are extremists and can not be reasoned with.

Then there's the small group that was hoodwinked into believing the conspiracy with half truths, riveting plots and just flat out lies. For example, the group of people who decided there was a conspiracy or their belief was strenghtened after watching Oliver Stones fable, JFK and/or other money making media ventures. These ones are just ignorant and can be reasoned with.

In the end I think it's best for you to just avoid the conspiracy threads because it's obvious you don't have the patience for it. I know I normally have to be in a relatively good mood before I even consider being entangled in a conspiracy discussion.

I find people like you frustrating beyond belief. I am a logical person, i try and rely on facts and not always what's reported on the news as many other people here do. People like you do not rely on facts you simply try and negate any argument with comments like that. Lumping us all in the same basket of crazy, conspiracy addicted, goverment hating or all of the above to try and completely undermine credibility. I rely on facts and in the pentagon hit of 911 there are some serious problems with the story.

In response to the original post, why have ATS at all? Why doesn't everyone just accept everything the way that it is? This is the whole problem. Too many people already do, that's why ATS is here, to DENY IGNORANCE.

Originally posted by worksoftplayhard
why cant some of you just accept the planes cause it to fall not bombs in the tower not a ufo attack just the planes? i can accept it.

It is called denial. People just can't hack it that the U.S. Government is prepared to attack it's own people.

I must say, it sure appears like you haven't researched 9/11 very thoroughly at all. I mean, I spent a few days looking into it and I'm pretty damn sure that those aircraft we NOT the main cause of the collaspses'.

edit: P.S. I just read the title again, and why can't you, wsph, accept the facts?

[edit on 24/3/2006 by watch_the_rocks]

"We're all gonna be little Fonzies - and what was Fonzie?!"

Ummm... wtf was that all about?

I was going to say yeah thanks cause i did find that useful! but seeing as you seem to have some funny attitude problem there was no need for...

Your a moderator, you just gota be polite and do your job not sling crud at people who wasnt even bashing a theory.

Did i even say i believe the pod theory? no, i asked you straight have any of you seen these and have they been faked. To which you could say ''yes they arent fake but they arent true - - heres the story! now tell everyone else who dont know so we can stop wasting time n megabytes'' ?

I dont feel i have to state my view everytime i post something, i say they say , he says, bla blah.. not me.

Just my thoughts! Dont tell me ur peed on guiness


Heres a pic from that site pod debunking that shows how it can be mistaken.



Once again thanks for your input.

They still didnt explain away the firemens video. Id put it up on the web if i knew somewhere free tho im sure its out there somewhere.

[edit on 24-3-2006 by Dimensional_Shifter]

We cant let it go because the government is hiding something!!

Thats the facts!

I don't know about the whole pod idea. I can't decide if something was attached to that plane or if it was simply a trick of the light.

Again the pentagon "plane" hit has far more evidence that is useful, IMO.

Doesnt matter if it was a pod on it or not, its who done it that matters.

Check this movie its short n sharp, drag the slider back n forth slowly n confuse yourself even more (lol)

www.questionsquestions.net...

Originally posted by Dimensional_Shifter
Doesnt matter if it was a pod on it or not, its who done it that matters.

Check this movie its short n sharp, drag the slider back n forth slowly n confuse yourself even more (lol)

www.questionsquestions.net...

Who did it is very important. What am i supposed to be looking at in this movie? The apparent flash that everyone goes on about? I don't buy that one, i think mabe the footage was altered.

Originally posted by Dimensional_Shifter
1They still didnt explain away the firemens video. Id put it up on the web if i knew somewhere free tho im sure its out there somewhere.

I´m not sure which video you mean, but if you wish to share it, place it on a P2P network like Edonkey, and post the link to it on the board.

I am a somewhat educated person and I say as well as many others including physicists and officials agree if they fell because of planes it defied the laws of physics way to hard to go unnoticed

There are people who still think Elvis is alive, in fact I saw him ten minutes ago taking a leak behind my house.

Originally posted by Frosty
There are people who still think Elvis is alive, in fact I saw him ten minutes ago taking a leak behind my house.

How is that kind of statement helpful?

Let's remember that many officials and engineers will look for the answer they want regardless of facts, this goes for scientists as well.

A few engineers have said something is wrong and have provided sound evidence for it. Maybe these few can look at facts without any bias of what they thought should happen.

Again i am talking about the pentagon hit here and not the twin towers.

Originally posted by mytym
In response to the original post, why have ATS at all? Why doesn't everyone just accept everything the way that it is? This is the whole problem. Too many people already do, that's why ATS is here, to DENY IGNORANCE.

Well said to bad so many here have past ignorance and moved straight into stupidity.

A lot of people here at ats who have been here for awhile now are no more then paid government shills. You know the same ones you see jump in on every 9/11 post / antibush post and preach the same old propaganda ever single time. Hangout here all day 7 days a week and become trusted members who then become mods. These same people have directed ATS away from the main slogan DENY IGNORANCE! They have suceeded the board is poisoned and has been for a year and half now.

Originally posted by esdad71
The 'pull it' you are all referring to was the evacuation of the remaining FDNY and PA support in WTC 7.

If you choose not to read and try to come to a conclusion from experts, that is your own choice. However, if you read it, and actually absorbed it, you would not be having this arguement. Wake up and realize that 9/11 was NOT an inside job. Start trying to figure out who it is that wants you to HATE your country, and blame it for everything.

What people cannot accept is the fact that this was the largest and deadliest terror attack on US soil in history. It did not come out of the blue, we knew it was coming but could not stop it. Read the 9/11 commission report, it is not a pro Bush document as many conspiracy sites will say. It is because if you read it, you would learn the truth.

"Pull It" is a demolition term, not one to evacuate firefighters. Silverstein gave an interview, and his meaning of the term is not the slightest bit in question. I see you all over this site backing the official story, are you FBI or CIA or worse, NSA?

Man i am out of this thread. Everyone just keeps accusing each other of being agents of the government in the hope of totally voiding their ideas. This could go on forever.

Bye all and good luck with this.

Originally posted by Frosty
There are people who still think Elvis is alive, in fact I saw him ten minutes ago taking a leak behind my house.

82 out of 100 people believe that? Including groups of scholars with Ph. D.'s and all?



That'd be pretty weird unless there was actually something to it that a lot of people just don't want to consider.

why cant some of you just accept the planes cause it to fall not bombs in the tower not a ufo attack just the planes? i can accept it.

Exactly! Why can't you people just accept the fact that 9/11 was the day that the 'laws of physics' broke down? The truth was inter-nationally televised.

The 'laws of physics' no longer apply. The sooner we can come to terms with this, the sooner we can move on.

If you still can't believe that the 'laws of physics' no longer apply then please read the NIST report. We seriously need to get past this so we can work on new 'laws of physics'.

After reading the NIST report and hearing the 9/11 commission, if you still don't believe that the 'laws of physics' no longer apply, then you hate your country and the terrorists have won.

[edit on 3/25/2006 by Arm Of Geddon]

Originally posted by Dimensional_Shifter
Ummm... wtf was that all about?

Watch Pulp Fiction, then you'll understand. It wasn't aimed at you in the slightest, I noticed that there was a little bit of hostility going on further up, so I just poked my head in to to say hi..

I was going to say yeah thanks cause i did find that useful! but seeing as you seem to have some funny attitude problem there was no need for...

I didn't have an attitude problem with you at all or anyone else as such, as I said, I was reminding people to be civil.

Your a moderator, you just gota be polite and do your job not sling crud at people who wasnt even bashing a theory.

Emm. NOt being rude, but when did you become the rule maker?

Just my thoughts! Dont tell me ur peed on guiness

No, it was wine.

You will notice that I addressed you seperately to the initial comment, observe:

Originall posted by AgentSmith
"We're all gonna be little Fonzies - and what was Fonzie?!"

"Cool?"

"Correct-a-mundo!"


Dimensional_Shifter:

You might find these links useful:

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As you can see I was not being hostile to anyone, least of all you.. I'll take this as an honest misunderstanding.

[edit on 25-3-2006 by AgentSmith]

Originally posted by IntelRetard
The towers were rigged with explosives after the first failed attempt in the garage.

really, ok then explain to me who and how they could have done this without being caught... and dont tell me it was an american.

why ?

for one , I've helped build a steel bridge , and I know if a 50 ton tank was dropped on it,
it would not break apart into convenient pieces for the demolition company to haul away.

same goes for them bloody towers , the freaking beams were MASSIVE !
there was NO PANCAKING

www.metacrawler.com... /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/417/top

[ search ; wtc construction , images ] see ALL them bloody beams ? you think it just collapsed ?


it was a freaking LIE, LIE,LIE,LIE,LIE!

they don't just snap like twigs! and concrete , and computers and telephones and desks don't just get turned to dust either !

and I challange you to drop a chunk of concrete to see if it will pulverize into dust !
I also challange you to drop a computer to see if you can turn it into dust as well !

no , I don't KNOW who did it , and I don't know who shot kennedy either

and I don't think there's a bloody thing I can tell you, that'll change your mind either...