why cant everyone just accept the facts!

Originally posted by HowardRoark

Originally posted by ANOK

Here's your WTC 7 damage...

That's not a picture of WTC 7, so what's your point?

[edit on 23-3-2006 by HowardRoark]

ANOK, If you are going to edit your post after I have commented on it, then you should do me and the other readers of this thread the commmon curtesy of aknowleging that fact.

I didn't copy the picture in my reply simply because it would have been redundant and a waste of bandwidth.

Now it looks like I should have simply to keep you honest.



[edit on 24-3-2006 by HowardRoark] (to correct a typo)

[edit on 24-3-2006 by HowardRoark]

Originally posted by worksoftplayhard
oh so what do you think really happened? what do you think someone rigged the towers with explosives without being noticed? how does a person sneak dynomite inside a world trade centre, rig it out of view, and know when the time will be to set it off? just the thought of it sounds like balogna.

It could be done. That's all that matters. If anyone could do it, you know who could. And not al Qaeda.

If it's shown that burning diesel couldn't cause that building to fall like that, then it doesn't matter how hard it is for you to believe explosives were planted. It's what must have happened nonetheless, unless you think God or Allah pulled a "miracle" in causing that building to fall as it did.

And dynamite is a pretty bad idea of what was used. I don't know what was used, but I can tell you that it definitely wasn't dynamite.

Originally posted by HowardRoark
ANOK, If you are going to edit your post after I have commented on it, then you should do me and the other readers of this thread the commmon curtesy of aknowleging that fact.

He did:

oops DOH! wrong pic sry, damn and I can't find the right one now.
Thanks for pointing that out howward.

You should do him the courtesy of reading.

OK, I scrolled right past that. Sorry.

Originally posted by HowardRoark
ANOK, If you are going to edit your post after I have commented on it, then you should do me and the other readers of this thread the commmon curtesy of aknowleging that fact.
I didn't copy the picture in my reply simply because it would have been redundant and a waste of bandwidth.
Now it looks like I should have simply to keep you honest.

Did you miss my post apologizing and thanking you for pointing it out?
Take a look under your post. Jeez what do you want from me!

You keep me honest, that's funny comming from you!

Edit: OK wrote this before I read the rest of the replies, so back at ya

[edit on 24/3/2006 by ANOK]

It is your choice to believe prisonplanet over NIST, but read it. If you look at the timeline the building began to collapse, first with the 'penthouses' of the WTC. You then see the bowing inward, and then seconds later is collapses. The video you are looking at shows the descent, not what occured before it collapsed. Do a little research and you will find the correct timeline. Believe half of what you read, and none of what you see.

esdad it don't matter how you look at it, I don't need NIST or anybody else to tell me how the building fell. All you have to do is watch it happen. If you realy think it would collapse the way it did from fire and minimal damage then YOU need to do some research.

The man said"Pull it" and it was pulled!

I guess AlCIAda must have some magical weapon that defies physics

The towers were rigged with explosives after the first failed attempt in the garage.

Originally posted by ANOK
esdad it don't matter how you look at it, I don't need NIST or anybody else to tell me how the building fell. All you have to do is watch it happen. If you realy think it would collapse the way it did from fire and minimal damage then YOU need to do some research.

The man said"Pull it" and it was pulled!

I guess AlCIAda must have some magical weapon that defies physics

ANOK, guessed you missed it.

The uber shapeshifting terrorist Osama bin Abu Musad Laden Al-Zarqawi knows jihadi magic that transcends the laws of physics! It's so powerful, they don't even need Allah to help them!

The guys on the planes had the uber terrorist channel this jihadi magic into them, but they waited too long and crashed before they were fully possessed. So, the magic uber terrorist had to really concentrate; come on, making buildings collapse on themselves from across the world is a hard job, even for a super terrorist. That's why the buildings didn't collapse immediately; he had to focus his magic jihadi terrorist mojo.

Then, he rested, because that was hard work. Once he got his wind back, he turned on the TV (this is a magic TV, I think, just like the one Bush watched the first plane collision on ) and saw that he didn't take down WTC 7. But, to his glee, he saw that massive flames were shooting out of the building, so all he had to do was KO the core and the building would fall like its sisters did earlier.

So, he summoned his remaining jihadi magic ju ju and blew up the core. Then, it fell, without any plane crashes. Unfortunately for him, this task exhausted all of his jihadi magic, so he had to go on the run. The only jihadi magic trick he had left was shapeshifting; this explains why he/Al-Zarqawi cannot be caught, even when it looks like they're cornered/arrested/dead in the media.

So, there you have it. I guess I was wrong. The terrorists DID do it; it was just not the way the official story said they did.

The 'pull it' you are all referring to was the evacuation of the remaining FDNY and PA support in WTC 7.

If you choose not to read and try to come to a conclusion from experts, that is your own choice. However, if you read it, and actually absorbed it, you would not be having this arguement. Wake up and realize that 9/11 was NOT an inside job. Start trying to figure out who it is that wants you to HATE your country, and blame it for everything.

What people cannot accept is the fact that this was the largest and deadliest terror attack on US soil in history. It did not come out of the blue, we knew it was coming but could not stop it. Read the 9/11 commission report, it is not a pro Bush document as many conspiracy sites will say. It is because if you read it, you would learn the truth.

TruthSeeka I think you might be on to something here...

Maybe it was this magic power that bush was refering to when he said there was a new energy technology that would amaze us? That's why they went to war in Iraq, to capture this new energy. And it's not nuclear power the Iranians are developing it's this magic physics defying energy! It's all so clear now.
No wonder we need to invade and control the world, this stuff could be dangerous in the wrong hands.

I have taken a look at all the evidence i can, the towers i cannot decide on, i think i side with the argument that the planes themselves took it down.

The more interesting story at least for me is the pentagon hit. That has so many holes in it i cannot believe the general population hasn't seen through it. It's amazing how much evidence points to that being a missle rather than a plane.

Esdad71, thanks for the laughs. Really, thanks.

Look at the first post on this thread, which shows NIST and FEMA, whom you love to cite, saying there were no firefighters to be pulled.

Another look at "Pull It"

But, hey, y'all have convinced me, it wasn't an inside job after all. It was the super evil terrorist jihadi magic. Like ANOK said, this is the REAL WMD!

Originally posted by esdad71
The 'pull it' you are all referring to was the evacuation of the remaining FDNY and PA support in WTC 7.

Garbage, prove to me that "pull it" means pull the fire crews out.
Since when is the NYFD refered to as it?

What did he say?

"The best thing to do was pull it, we made the desicion to pull"

Does this sound like he's refering to the fire crews? And when does a building owner tell the fire department what to do?

And there were still secret service ppl in building 7 when it collapsed, if 'pull it' meant get out of the building why were they still there?

Anyway this theory has been de-bunked, maybe you need to catch up. Try the search feature.

[edit on 24/3/2006 by ANOK]

Interesting how both WTC and New Orleans were both disasters with dead people and then the property developers come in to save everyone! Yeah they just happen to be waiting in case such a problem occurs..

Now, after the collapse, their was damage to WTC 7 that most people seem to not recognize, and there is a NIST report that is due in 2006 that will use infomration that was provided in part by Silverstien Properties. A firefighter made the following statement that

" The most important operational decision to be made that afternoon was the collapse (Of the WTC towers) had damaged 7 World Trade Center, which is about a 50 story building, at Vesey between West Broadway and Washington Street. It had very heavy fire on many floors and I ordered the evacuation of an area sufficient around to protect our members, so we had to give up some rescue operations that were going on at the time and back the people away far enough so that if 7 World Trade did collapse, we [wouldn't] lose any more people. We continued to operate on what we could from that distance and approximately an hour and a half after that order was [given], at 5:30 in the afternoon, World Trade Center collapsed completely" - Daniel Nigro

This shows that there was prior knowledge of WTC 7 structural failure, and this should fit into the 'pull it' theory, were they were actually 'pulling' the rescue operatives back. They had evacuated WTC 7 just after the collapse due to damage but the FNDY and PA were continuing to use it as a staging area for the rescue and then recovery operation.

Go ahead and call this guy or email me for proof.

why cant some of you just accept the planes cause it to fall not bombs in the tower

Look at these pics has anyone seen these or analysed them? they say the plane had a POD on the undercarriage that isnt on those kind of planes.. i can see a pod like object but is it faked? And the ball of light that appears at the nose right before impact, is that an after effect? did anyone see it in any video?









Sorry if you have dealt with all this before im unaware.


I have a video of an on site fire crew interview on my hard drive, even they are saying it seemed to them like a controlled explosion, and they are firemen.

Did anything at all explode there? on ground level? i saw another video and heard a few explosions, its posted elsewhere on ATS.. there was smoke rising from the floor before the towers started comming down?


[edit on 24-3-2006 by Dimensional_Shifter]

Originally posted by esdad71
Now, after the collapse, their was damage to WTC 7 that most people seem to not recognize, and there is a NIST report that is due in 2006 that will use infomration that was provided in part by Silverstien Properties. A firefighter made the following statement that

" The most important operational decision to be made that afternoon was the collapse (Of the WTC towers) had damaged 7 World Trade Center, which is about a 50 story building, at Vesey between West Broadway and Washington Street. It had very heavy fire on many floors and I ordered the evacuation of an area sufficient around to protect our members, so we had to give up some rescue operations that were going on at the time and back the people away far enough so that if 7 World Trade did collapse, we [wouldn't] lose any more people. We continued to operate on what we could from that distance and approximately an hour and a half after that order was [given], at 5:30 in the afternoon, World Trade Center collapsed completely" - Daniel Nigro

This shows that there was prior knowledge of WTC 7 structural failure, and this should fit into the 'pull it' theory, were they were actually 'pulling' the rescue operatives back. They had evacuated WTC 7 just after the collapse due to damage but the FNDY and PA were continuing to use it as a staging area for the rescue and then recovery operation.

Go ahead and call this guy or email me for proof.

I may be wrong here but i believe that wtc7 was already on fire before the buldings collapsed. If you take a look at the live footage that day then how could wtc7 be on fire before the twin towers collapsed?

Several fire fighters also said that they witnessed what they called "controlled explosions". "Floor by floor it started popping out", that's a quote taken from the film "In Plane Sight" and was from a firefighter.

I personnally don't know about the twin towers but as i said earlier the pentagon hit provides more evidence for a cover up.

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Originally posted by worksoftplayhard
why cant some of you just accept the planes cause it to fall not bombs in the tower not a ufo attack just the planes? i can accept it.

Lol, why would you even try? Are you new or something?

Most of these people it's just pure politics. If Clinton, Gore or Kerry was the President they wouldn't see a conspiracy. These people can sometimes be reasoned with.

Then there's the group that just plain doesn't trust any Govt., business, fraternal order or whatever, period. These guys see conspiracies everywhere. If the President stubs his toe walking to the podium, he was signaling the CIA to assasinate the leader of Zimbabwe, if the the leader just so happens to die that day. How he died means nothing, fact is he died and the President is guilty of it. There's no such thing as chaos with these people. Nothing just happens. There's always some evil entity behind everything and no amount of reason or facts will change their minds once set. If you continue to reason with them you will either be accused of being a govt. agent or just another member of the ignorant public too dumb, brainwashed or scared to see what's so obvious to them. These people are extremists and can not be reasoned with.

Then there's the small group that was hoodwinked into believing the conspiracy with half truths, riveting plots and just flat out lies. For example, the group of people who decided there was a conspiracy or their belief was strenghtened after watching Oliver Stones fable, JFK and/or other money making media ventures. These ones are just ignorant and can be reasoned with.

In the end I think it's best for you to just avoid the conspiracy threads because it's obvious you don't have the patience for it. I know I normally have to be in a relatively good mood before I even consider being entangled in a conspiracy discussion.