What the Real Reason for Anti-Smoking Could be

I think that on a little investigation one might find that the money is the "Reason for the Season".

On the way home from work this morning I was listening to NPR (National Public Radio) news for my home state, Missouri. Seems that the very large windfall of several billion dollars from the Federal lawsuits against tobacco companies that was won here in the US of A, is almost 90% unaccounted for.

Now, boys and girls ... There's a real surprise! The money, instead of going into the correct accounts where it would be slotted for anti-smoking, etc., went into the general coffers where it is not traceable.

Whoever was mentioning "THEY" in a previous post here on the "KILL ALL SMOKERS BECAUSE THEY ARE THE EVIL SPAWN OF SATAN!!!" thread, might know a little more than what they are saying.

Originally posted by orion_452

I am a smoker and also intuative, I'm currently trying to give up smoking but finding it very hard. maybe Linda Goodman is onto something?

Seriuosly, my fellow ozzie Riley has a strong point, we are being subjeacted to intence anti-smoking campains here, and seeing his point of view I totally agree that its very fishy? especially when there are so many other more important issues worldwide to combat than smoking.

Are these all being implimented just to cover up the really important issues that we never address. If they are so intent on stoping it why are'nt thay putting tax dollars that 'they made from it towards free medical help and financial assistance to the smokers. all people who dont smoke dont realize that this is a drug and just as with heroin the addiction is the same.
Also I'm pretty sure that the reason mariwana is illegal and the argument to leagalize it here was put to bed fast, is because this drug does give the smoker hightened awareness, and it is a drug easily acssesable to the general public therefor it had to vanish. as they dont want the public getting answers to there evil deceptions via the 'cosmos!!!!

Thank you for seeing through the fog. Automobile and jet pollution is what is killing people much more than anything one smokes.
Yes there is a big NO NO on reefer because it 'allows' a person to see through the BS.
Having been a reader for many years, if a person has a problem with smoke, then they will have to find another reader.
In 1984, I had a break-in on my home and when the insurance company sent a rep, she said very tackily "Do not smoke as long as I am in this home"
I dismissed her with a blow of smoke and called all her supervisors to the top of the company.Too bad she lost her cushy job..
NOBODY has a right to tell an 'upset' person from a break-in what to do.
IOW, if one really cannot deal with smoke, all the have to do is stay away from me and my home.
Have you noticed the RABID anti-smokers are either way overweight or are closet drunks?
We need to talk about your gifts if you do not mind by u2u.;]

For those that can't figure out what the actual cause is to the severe increase in lung cancer (and many other cancers) I'll provide the following links.

www.aeronautics.ru...

en.wikipedia.org...

Over 2,000 nuclear tests have been staged by the seven nuclear powers in over a dozen different sites around the world.

The anti-smokers are probably the same ones that think the Sun causes skin cancer.

The anti-smokers are probably the same ones that think the Sun causes skin cancer

Thank you for those excellent pictures. I have one that was given to me by a scientist that I did not see among those.
He says health and deaths of thousands of lower class humans as in Africa, India, and China are multi-thousands per day and NONE of these deaths were/are caused by tobacco smoke, nor any other legal use products, but by NOT-Caring who has food to eat each day.
CAN we USE some of the $$ the vehement anti-smokers waste to help feed the starving..??? Not that I can see.

Originally posted by Arm Of Geddon
For those that can't figure out what the actual cause is to the severe increase in lung cancer (and many other cancers) I'll provide the following links.

www.aeronautics.ru...

en.wikipedia.org...

Sorry but nowhere in those sites does it say that nuclear testing is the real cause of cancer. The first link is just a bunch of pretty pics of mushroom clouds, while the wiki link only tells us about various nuclear explosive tests. These tests are done in remote regions, such as Nevada, where people are not and cannot be seriously harmed by the blast/radiation. The only incident in which a nuclear test harmed people (radiation wise) was back in the 1950's when scientists had no idea about the harm of radiation. Soldiers were sent into the bomb zone after the mushroom cloud disappated and got huge doses of radiation, but only because they were right in the center of impact. Even then, only less than half of those soldiers were seriously affected by the radiation.

To say that nuclear radiation is the major cause of cancer is to deny all the statistics and hard medical evidence that's been taken over the years. Ciggarettes ARE the leading cause of cancer whether you like it or not.

Originally posted by siriuslyone

The anti-smokers are probably the same ones that think the Sun causes skin cancer

Thank you for those excellent pictures. I have one that was given to me by a scientist that I did not see among those.
He says health and deaths of thousands of lower class humans as in Africa, India, and China are multi-thousands per day and NONE of these deaths were/are caused by tobacco smoke, nor any other legal use products, but by NOT-Caring who has food to eat each day.
CAN we USE some of the $$ the vehement anti-smokers waste to help feed the starving..??? Not that I can see.

That's just silly. The anti-tobacco administrations are spending money to save lives. It's ridiculous to criticize them on how they spend their money while cigarette-smokers spend billions of dollars each year to support a deadly product. How can you blame anti-smokers when you comfortably sit in your Lay-Z-Boy smoking a cigarette that puts money into the pockets of big corporations and away from charities? I smell hypocrisy!!

Originally posted by TheBlueSoldier
Sorry but nowhere in those sites does it say that nuclear testing is the real cause of cancer.

I'm sorry. I erroneously thought that given the murder weapon one could figure out how it was done. I suppose you're asking me to present additional facts since you can't be bothered with that. I do find it interesting that you can find the time to reiterate the programming but not to think a few steps beyond. I'll try to refrain from speculation as to why you chose to do that.

en.wikipedia.org...

He wrote of the bomb producing a "pillar of purple fire", out of the top of which came "a giant mushroom that increased the height of the pillar to a total of 45,000 feet."

www.onlineconversion.com...

45,000 feet = 8.522 miles = 13.716 kilometers

en.wikipedia.org...

Troposphere: ...Starting at the surface going up to between 7 km at the poles and 17 km at the equator with some variation due to weather factors.

Link

Prevailing winds are winds which come about as a consequence of global circulation patterns. These include the Trade Winds, the Westerlies, the Polar Easterlies, and the jet streams.

en.wikipedia.org...

The westerlies are the prevailing winds in the middle latitudes between 30 and 60 degrees latitude...

The westerlies can be particularly strong winds...

en.wikipedia.org...

Jet streams are fast flowing, relatively narrow air currents found in the atmosphere at around 12 km above the surface of the Earth, just under the tropopause.

The wind speeds vary according to the temperature gradient, averaging 55km/h or 35 mph in summer and 120km/h or 75 mph in winter, although speeds of over 400km/h or 250 mph are known.

The Facts:

-- Nuclear Detonation (radioactive particles - dust to microscopic)

-- Height of Mushroom Cloud

-- Prevailing Winds

The Conclusion:

We know who done it. We know the murder weapon. We know how it was done. We know where it was done.

Is there anything else I can help you with?

I smell hypocrisy

A lot of things I may be, but a hypocrite is not one.
Do not drink, and I have never hurt another person on purpose that I know of.
Doing humanitarian causes has been a big part of my being.
So as long as you do not have to breathe my smoke, there is no need for name-calling.

Seriouslyone I have been trying to catch up with you, could you read my post on accelerated karmic debt and reply? Can I recieve U2U's but can't send or what?

Originally posted by interestedalways
Seriouslyone I have been trying to catch up with you, could you read my post on accelerated karmic debt and reply? Can I recieve U2U's but can't send or what?

I have just sent you an u2u, let me know if you get it.
I will figure out a way to send you my email.

Originally posted by siriuslyone
CAN we USE some of the $$ the vehement anti-smokers waste to help feed the starving..??? Not that I can see.

I said that I smell hypocrisy because you are spewing it by the gallons. U condemn anti-smoking legislations because they spend money trying to stop 2nd-hand smoking (saves lives) instead of donating it to charities, which is also what they currently do. How can you do this while spending your spare money on cigarettes that fuel corrupt corporations (they sell death!!) instead of donating it to other countries?

Originally posted by TheBlueSoldier
How can you do this while spending your spare money on cigarettes that fuel corrupt corporations (they sell death!!) instead of donating it to other countries?

Its my freaking money, so what I spend it on should not be a concern of government or yours. If someone wants to open a business that caters to smokers, it should not be the business of government or you. The only option you should have is not to patronize that business. Unfortuately jack booted anti-smoking thugs such as yourself want to dictate how others choose to live and are using the power of government to violate the rights of smokers.
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Originally posted by TheBlueSoldier

Originally posted by siriuslyone
CAN we USE some of the $$ the vehement anti-smokers waste to help feed the starving..??? Not that I can see.

I said that I smell hypocrisy because you are spewing it by the gallons. U condemn anti-smoking legislations because they spend money trying to stop 2nd-hand smoking (saves lives) instead of donating it to charities, which is also what they currently do. How can you do this while spending your spare money on cigarettes that fuel corrupt corporations (they sell death!!) instead of donating it to other countries?

Did you ask me what I do to help the sick, dying?
I do a lot of hospice work, mainly aids, but also spend the other half of this time to sit hospice lung cancer patients.They are very accepting that perhaps their smoking was the cause. But also they have the argument that the severe pollutation could have had a hand in it.
As long as I do my humanitarian work, I am ok with my karma.
I quit for 18 months one time and broke out in hives-shingles and blew up like a baloon, so please allow me to have an opinion as to why smokers are treated like the scum of the Earth.Thank you.

It's getting to the point where we don't even have a choice anymore. I live in downtown Chicago and they're $8.50 a pack. It's so bad I have to bring in cartons from Indiana for $30 each. Sounds like a bootlegging operation waiting to happen to me...

Worse than the price, they passed a city ordinance that bans smoking virtually everywhere - even in bars. I've heard that the next move is to ban smoking in your own cars.

When will it end? And I really wonder where all the money goes...

Originally posted by df1
Its my freaking money, so what I spend it on should not be a concern of government or yours. ... Unfortuately jack booted anti-smoking thugs such as yourself want to dictate how others choose to live and are using the power of government to violate the rights of smokers.
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When did I call myself an advocate for anti-smoking? I believe in your right to smoke, and I really don't mind if you do it for the rest of your life. What I do mind is when I walk into a restaurant or movie theatre or bar and the whole place smells like a giant ash-tray. It's seriously disguisting when you're trying to eat a burger and the guy next to you is breathing smoke down your throat.

It's also proven that second-hand smoke really does kill thousands every year. Plus, many people are allergic to some of the hundreds of chemicals found in cigarettes, something that Big Tobacco Industries doesn't want people to know. In New Jersey, I'll be as giddy as a little kid when the new bill pasts in April that bans smoking in bars, restaurants, and just about everywhere but your private property and outdoors. Wooo hoo!

So, df1, you can go ahead and smoke and buy as many cigarette packs as you want because you won't be allowed to do it around me . P.S., I don't appreciate being called a nazi.

Originally posted by siriuslyone
Did you ask me what I do to help the sick, dying?
I do a lot of hospice work, mainly aids, but also spend the other half of this time to sit hospice lung cancer patients... As long as I do my humanitarian work, I am ok with my karma.

Keep up the good work!

I for one am quite happy with the recent anti-smoking legislation here in England.

Now before anyone attacks me for that, I fully respect everyone's right to smoke if they want to, but I do not appreciate it happening around me. I and many others find the smell to actually be quite distressing.

I don't like public places smelling like an ashtray, and a little courtesy can solve that, but I also don't like my three year-old sister comming back from her dad's smelling like an ashtray, and the only way that is going to stop is with a ban.

I am not happy with anything that detracts from our freedom, and I don't think a ban would necessarily be a good thing, but I would probably support it, if only for the children and those allergic to the smoke, because you cannot deny that smoking has at least some effect on cancer.

Oh, and before you start, I am not an alcoholic, nor am I obiece.

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truth is, unlike other habits, smoke travels so the person who does not smoke has to share the smell the taste, etc with you.

people who do not smoke are not against people who smoke at all...they just dont want to share the smoke.
again, unlike other habits (say chewing tobacco) this reaches out and touches someone who may not want it.

thats pretty much why the bans are happening. Non smokers, again are not against the smoker...(i emphasize this, because it seems like an us vs. them scenerio...as if the person who smokes is the smoke. again, due to the nature of smoke, that its not self contained, makes it a bit of a sticking point.)

Gods Peace

dalen

Couldn't have put it better myself dAlen and Perturabo.

Ant-Smoking legislations are not out to harm smokers, but to protect everyone else who is affected by the smoke.

Seems my entire point has been skipped..
What IF you pure-lungs thought this was not being done for the regular human, but because it has been another contract signed for the 'silent' co-rulers of this orb? Does your mind go there at all?
It is WATS...not this forum..