Live in a 2G home.

I was doing some thinking the other day, and I came to the conclusion that the next step in athletes, or training would be to live in a home that simulated 2G's, that way your body would become stronger everywere. I think it would have an effect similar to how astronauts moved on the moon, just because we are used to a 1G enviroment. and the moon is less. anyone else think that would be cool? you could run faster, jump higher.


on a side note, if one were to drill a hole through the middle of the earth, and someone jumped in it, they would fall and gradually start falling slower, until they stopped in the middle would they not?

Isnt that dangerous? Constant 2G?

Nice idea, but couldn't it have adverse affects on your health like 0g does in space?

Side note: did you get your idea from dragonballz? lol

- Nazgarn

Well, how are you going to produce a 2G environment?

As for your second question, you will eventually come to a stop in the center of the Earth if there is enough air resistance to present an opposing force to your acceleration due to gravity. But if there is no air, or any other medium like water, you will end up in an oscillation that lasts forever, going up and down

Although a 2-G environment may increase muscle mass and density, as well as bone strength, there are other adverse effects that it would have. First, it would lower your centre of balance. Returning to a 1-G environment would be extremely disorientating. Two, it would be much harder for your heart to pump blood around your body (since blood would want to fall much easier than pumping it upwards), and so you run a very high risk of heart-attack, and even then you would be light headed. Three, any falls suffered during training will be at nearly twice the force as of normal, and so could incur major setbacks.

In other words, think of some of the problems that a human body would have in a 2-g environment. In 0-g muscle mass and bone strength decrease because strain is lower (and so you actually could say you're healthier in space because your body does less work to keep you alive). In a 2-g environment, you would be running some major problems.

Now, granted, you could probably do it, but I would suggest these athletes very slowly build themselves up to it - starting with a strong cardiovascular training regime, and then moving into 1.1g's, then 1.2g's, and so on at very small increments.

To build this you would need a Excersize Sphere in space. Have it spin around. You create the illusion of gravity through centrifical force. It would also be easy to adjust the g-setting. Only problem is cost. Olympic-type athletes are massively underfunded as it is, and so only the professional athletes would see any ability to purchase this. Even then, with the professional athlete's constant speed of their career (they're always playing), they wouldn't have the time to do this.

I think perhaps rather than a simulated 2g environment, why not a higher pressure environment. And the gravity doesnt exactly have to pull down, if it were artificial. It could squash us from all angles.

a earth bound 2 gravity environment....way exotic !

i do a low-tech alternative, i strap on ankle and wrist weights,
i live with them for 48 hours at a stretch, remove them for 1/2 day
and do another 48 hour stretch, after that rest period

if you've ever seen the opening scene of movie 'Conan The Barbarian'
one sees a really young lad strapped to a turnstile apparatus designed for oxen to operate...
as the seasons go by...and the other captives die from exhaustion...
the lad grows bulk & muscle, and has also trudged a sizeable rut in his circular path.
as the years go by, the lad all muscle-bound, has been turning the several ton apparatus by himself for years on end...viola!
...one sees an early Arnold Schwarznegger as he appeared in his Mr. Universe type physique

i think this is in line with the 'adversity principle'
...a sustained struggle elevates the person...

Come to think of it, doubling gravity isnt neccessary. Just wear weighted clothing/Strap discreet weights to youself (and they do exist!)

Originally posted by St Udio
a earth bound 2 gravity environment....way exotic !

i do a low-tech alternative, i strap on ankle and wrist weights,
i live with them for 48 hours at a stretch, remove them for 1/2 day
and do another 48 hour stretch, after that rest period

if you've ever seen the opening scene of movie 'Conan The Barbarian'
one sees a really young lad strapped to a turnstile apparatus designed for oxen to operate...
as the seasons go by...and the other captives die from exhaustion...
the lad grows bulk & muscle, and has also trudged a sizeable rut in his circular path.
as the years go by, the lad all muscle-bound, has been turning the several ton apparatus by himself for years on end...viola!
...one sees an early Arnold Schwarznegger as he appeared in his Mr. Universe type physique

i think this is in line with the 'adversity principle'
...a sustained struggle elevates the person...

A very good point. I wonder how many people come up with "exotic" ideas every-day, never realizing such things already exist (though not in such an exciting way) It took me a moment to get off the thought of this 2G environment.

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nope, i didnt get my idea from dragonballz, although when i was a kid i did enjoy that show sometimes.

It would be realativly simple to create a 1G+ enviroment on earth, build a home around an engine, have the floors slope, and be adjustable, the house would be round, and it would spin, the floors would adjust tilt according to the speed at which the house rotated. very similar to those rides at carnivals, were it spins and you get pushed against the wall. i think the costs would be very small to run it, especially compared to the dominance you would have in just about any sport.

Interesting idea really.

Maybe having this enviroment in your home is not the best idea, but MAYBE gyms could utilize this somehow? Maybe having a 2G workout space available would cut yhe workout time in half? Or MAYBE just doubleing the amounts of weight you work with at the gym would compensate for not having a 2G gym........
.......................things that make ya go hmmmmmmmm

Good stuff here, especially from Yarium.

The upside of 2g would be that the force is uniform, unlike ankle weights, or some non-sense like that. A uniform field would be much safer, not riskings the imbalance of the weights or the strain on certain body parts, such as the knees.

Antigravity technology is being researched by many firms, but who knows if any real breakthroughs have been achieved. Many will say yes, other will say no. The only way we will know is to see proof.

I'm sure humans could survive in a 2g environment, but I'm not sure if it would give an athlete any real advantage, unless he is a body builder, or hurderly, or high jumper.... something that requires vertical lift.

I think it would be awesome for every thing, think about it, basketball players, you could have the speed and agility of a 5'2" guy, and he could still dunk with ease. or a runner, everything would be proportionally stronger, so that would mean running would be improved. boxxers, think of the power of hit they would have, I could go on for a while. The only tihng I think that wouldent work, would perhaps trying to make a training swimming pool, who knows the effects on someone trying to swim with 2G's ? thats hard to think about ha ha

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is that it for this thread then?

2g swimming -- they would sink and drown! hahaha

imagine strapping the weight of another you on.. that's swimming with an extra 70kg for me. no way!

- Nazgarn

Originally posted by Protector
I'm sure humans could survive in a 2g environment, but I'm not sure if it would give an athlete any real advantage, unless he is a body builder, or hurderly, or high jumper.... something that requires vertical lift.

Every single muscle that is normally evoked in every day movements is going to be working harder, naturally. Yes an athlete would benefit. Any and every physical endeavor would be that much harder. Think about squating to pick up something you dropped I think you're underestimating how many movements at some point in the motion would constitute a "vertical lift". Visualize doing curls or sit-ups; they would be affetced too.

Acura before attempting to create a 2G exercise room you should consider the XVest.

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Originally posted by nazgarn
2g swimming -- they would sink and drown! hahaha

imagine strapping the weight of another you on.. that's swimming with an extra 70kg for me. no way!

- Nazgarn

As a swimmer doing that would not improve your swimming, also I am interested to know about water pressure under different gravity levels? Like lets say some other planet has water but it has 2g (cause this has been the example) would being in the water feel any different like buoyancy? I wouldn't know the answer but I would be grateful for anyone who could answer this question.

Well, considering that all things in a 2G environment are acted upon equally, if you already naturally float in water, then there will be no reason why you shouldn't float in 2G water. Both you and the water are being pulled down with equal force, and so if the water is more dense than you are, you will float.

Mind you, if you aren't a floater, then you would sink faster, and the pressure going down would rise faster, and you could get the bends that much sooner if you ever came up (which would be harder).

Effectively, everything works the same in any environment no matter the Gs - but to more or less exaggerated effect.

To get gravitational force, just add spin and speed.

spittincobra
could you please elaborate on that equation? perhaps an example? say i wanted 2 times earth gravity, what kind of spin would i need. I also wonder how one would figure out what angle the floor needs to be?