Why did Hitler persecute Freemasons?

It seems odd that a person deeply devoted to occult concepts,(Ostare)etc. such as Hitler would find an occult group(Freemasonry) offensive and call for their dissolution...I have read he cut deals with Big Labor in Germany and as you all know Masonry keeps the price of labor artificially high, and this practice could no longer be tolerated if Germany was to keep prices in check for goods and services...just my thoughts

"All the supposed abominations, the skeletons and death's heads, the coffins and the mysteries, are mere bogeys for children. But there is one dangerous element and that is the element I have copied from them. They form a sort of priestly nobility. They have developed an esoteric doctrine not merely formulated, but imparted through the symbols and mysteries in degrees of initiation. The hierarchical organization and the initiation through symbolic rites, that is to say, without bothering the brain but by working on the imagination through magic and the symbols of a cult, all this has a dangerous element, and the element I have taken over. Don't you see that our party must be of this character...? An Order, that is what it has to be — an Order, the hierarchial Order of a secular priesthood... Ourselves or the Freemasons or the Church — there is room for one of the three and no more... We are the strongest of the three and shall get rid of the other two".

-Adolf Hitler, 1939

Originally posted by pudro5
It seems odd that a person deeply devoted to occult concepts,(Ostare)etc. such as Hitler would find an occult group(Freemasonry) offensive and call for their dissolution.

The Nazis did not consider Freemasonry "an occult group"; they considered it an organization of political liberals and freethinkers that, if allowed to congregate, would undermine their Fascist ideology. The official Nazi Party stance on Masonry is found in "Freemasonry Ideology" by SS Reichsofficer Dieter Schwarz. This manual defines Freemasonry as an association of liberals whose intent is to "introduce democracy and other aberrations" into the state.

I have read he cut deals with Big Labor in Germany and as you all know Masonry keeps the price of labor artificially high, and this practice could no longer be tolerated if Germany was to keep prices in check for goods and services...just my thoughts

Masonry has nothing to do with the price of labor, which is dependent on current social and economic factors.



[edit on 16-3-2006 by Masonic Light]

Why did Hitler persecute Freemasons?

To eliminate any competition. Later, Hitler closed his own Thule/Vril society! Hitler seemed to have more compassion for the Tibetean/Buddists, however. Yet, ironically Hitler was a member of Ottoman-Freemasonry, even while he closed the other lodges. I wonder?


[edit on 17-3-2006 by markusjharper]

Funny you should ask.
I was just reading about this last night, according to a site I was exploring it mentioned this as myth.
The site claims he shut down all the "Modern Grand Lodges" and left the "Old Prussian Grand Lodges" alone.
The reason being that the modern masons didn't have the right values and beliefs.
Look for (The Frederick the Great Association ).

Spyke

Hitler believed in the idea of a jewish conspiracy, ie the protocols of the elders of zion, as well as eliminating them because of competition with competition to fasicm, Hitler banned Freemasonry because he (and many others) viewed Masonry as a Zionist control tool.

In many ways, Hitler stood against the idea of the NWO as we know it to be run by the banksters (Rosthchild, Rockefeller,) but it would only have been replaced by his own, he had all their hallmarks, ie Obedience and Subservience to the State. The State is all powerful and all knowing, but in some ways, a wise beneficieary, in his twisted opinion.

As someone who has studied History and Religion as my main forte other than Music, and not living in your country, I can see many parallels between the Nazi ideals, and the ideals of your own Republican party.

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism -- Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights -- Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to 'look the other way' or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause -- The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military -- Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism -- The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and antigay legislation and national policy.

6. Controlled Mass Media -- Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or through sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in wartime, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security -- Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined -- Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected -- The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed -- Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts -- Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment -- Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses, and even forego civil liberties, in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption -- Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions, and who use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections -- Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against (or even the assassination of) opposition candidates, the use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and the manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

Sounds much like the current United States no?

The State exists only to protect property from the majority, and when people wake up to this, we just might come up with a better system, unless we're already living in tyrany, which seems inevitable.

Great post Doc!

I read that Hitler was somehow related to the Rothschild blood. I cannot verify this as fact, do you think it's a myth?

I also see the connection of this current neo-con cabal and to that of Hitler. Paul Craig Roberts even calls them neo-Jacobin and that could even be taken as slightly, Zionsist. Even still, I heard that the neo-cons have a "No-Jew Room" which means no jews allowed in there.

Yet, this current Bushie cabal, seems to be supporting Israel and the Zionsists in general. From your reaseach, do you find the neo-cons to be working with Rothschild's agenda, as I do?

Markusjharper

Originally posted by markusjharper
Great post Doc!

I read that Hitler was somehow related to the Rothschild blood. I cannot verify this as fact, do you think it's a myth?

I also see the connection of this current neo-con cabal and to that of Hitler. Paul Craig Roberts even calls them neo-Jacobin and that could even be taken as slightly, Zionsist. Even still, I heard that the neo-cons have a "No-Jew Room" which means no jews allowed in there.

Yet, this current Bushie cabal, seems to be supporting Israel and the Zionsists in general. From your reaseach, do you find the neo-cons to be working with Rothschild's agenda, as I do?

Markusjharper

Probably not true...the rumor with Hitler was that he was 1/4 Jewish himself, something that to this day cannot be confirmed or denied since nobody knew who Hitlers paternal grandfather was. Supposedly it was just somebody from a rich jewish family that lived nearby, not the Rothschilds specifically.

The No Jew Room...never heard of that. Sounds something more akin to the paleocons, not neocons.

[edit on 17-3-2006 by montyburns]

I've read a little into the Masonic roots of Nazi Germany but it's not reallly where I concentrate my efforts.
One thing seems fairly clear though which is that Hitler was largely a Nazi "puppet" - often in unstaged footage of him before and after rallys you can see him being coached by his other close associates and most of the documented records of his comings and goings indicate that he was a "late riser", frequently at parties and frequently drunk.

As far as I have found there is no evidence that Freemasonry was persecuted by the Nazi regime, the lodges that were "closed" were mostly re-opened once they had been cleansed of Jewish items.

Towards the end of the war there appears to have been a plot by many of the other senior members of the Nazi party (Thule and Virii both evolved into subcomponents of the party itself) to try to hang the whole blame of the war which was now definatally lost on him, so they could assasinate him and then sue for peace.

After the failed bomb plot their intentions became obvious hence his personal crack-down against them.

Markusjharper - Unfortunately I find that many governmental regimes are doing their best to further the Zionist agenda, or protocols depending on how you want to look at it.

I even read somewhere that here in Australia, if you are anti Zionist, some governmental players would consider you to be anti Australian!

This could be very bad news for some if a police state is enacted, depending on who is at the helm, but I have to say, I don't think it will be anybody good.

On a personal note, Markusjharper, I always find your posts informative and mostly accurate, despite what some theory debunkers and dis-info agents on here might say to you!

Keep up the GOOD Work!

In response to your question, yes I have read about the myth surrounding Hitler's bloodlines, I tend to believe it, but if it is true, I would think that even if he had Rosthchild blood, it came from an illegitimate Rosthchild anyway, either way, he served his purpose to their plan anyway.



[edit on 19-3-2006 by DrBones666]

Originally posted by MrNECROS
As far as I have found there is no evidence that Freemasonry was persecuted by the Nazi regime

Check Wikipedia for one thing or, if you don't much care for it's validity, there are a number of books that touch on on the subject, including "Freemasonry for Dummies" published by Wiley press.

I'm not sure if you realise that investigating this properly and thoroughly will debunk a lot of your theories, but anyway...

Originally posted by spyke

The site claims he shut down all the "Modern Grand Lodges" and left the "Old Prussian Grand Lodges" alone.
The reason being that the modern masons didn't have the right values and beliefs.
Look for (The Frederick the Great Association ).

All of them, including the Prussian, were shut down, but they were indeed temporarily replaced with the Frederick the Great Association. The FGA took over the various Masonic Lodges for their meeting halls. They were given the name "Frederick the Great Society" because of the Nazi-invented myth that Frederick did not like Masonry and left it (Frederick was actually a dedicated Mason until his death). Using this myth as propaganda, the Nazis tried to persuade folks that it was noble to leave Masonry, "just like Frederick".

The ritual for the FGA was completely different than Masonry. All references to the Bible, Solomon, Hiram, the Temple, etc. were gone, and the FGA ritual was based on Norse mythology.

Several apostate Masons did indeed join this FGA, but it was always an anti-Masonic, pro-Nazi, society.

Originally posted by pudro5
It seems odd that a person deeply devoted to occult concepts,(Ostare)etc.

Occultism is more than ishtarism and the like. The Kabbala is occultism, for example. Its not all about paganism.

such as Hitler

Perhaps this thread isn't the place to have this discussion, but was Hitler really all that much of a 'nut for the stuff'??? I've seen that Himmler was seriously into it, but Hitler?

would find an occult group(Freemasonry) offensive

Freemasonry makes good use of the kabbala, apparently, and that made it something of a target as some sort of vestige of semeticism. Also, it was a secret society, and thus a threat to the rule of the total state, just like the Sons of Liberty or the Carbonari were to the rule of the british and austrian autocrats.

I have read he cut deals with Big Labor in Germany and as you all know Masonry keeps the price of labor artificially high

I don't know that. Do they? How?
I don't think that that had anything to do with it. The nazi state was a totalitarian state, any private and free associations of people are a threat to that. Hitler outlawed the aryo-sophist Thule Society too, for example.

markusjharper
Hitler closed his own Thule/Vril society!

The Thule Society was not the Vril society.

Hitler was a member of Ottoman-Freemasonry

Upon what evidence do you base this statement, I am unfamiliar with him being in such an organization and would like to know.

mrnecros
the documented records of his comings and goings indicate that he was a "late riser",

Hitler was an agent of the state, sent to infiltrate the 'german workers party', which seemd to the authorities to be a socialist organization. He found out that it wasn't, fell in love with it, and molded it somewhat into his national german workers party, 'nazi'.

Thule and Virii both evolved into subcomponents of the party itself

Thule was ultimately thrown into the camps along with the masons.

because he was tring to knock out the occultic competion..he was afraid of some of the masonic higher-ups..he thought that some of them might be able to overthrow him ...or eventually expose him for for his crimes to knock him out ............he was very dillusional

Some good site relating to the topic at hand:


www.grandlodgescotland.com...

www.masonicinfo.com...

www.ushmm.org...

For the record, Hitler was never as much into the Pagan Mythology as much as Himmler was with his SS. If it can be said that Hitler had a god, it was himself, which is a common trait among Satanists interestingly enough, who see it as a manipulative force to be used, not some kind of fallen dark god to worship, however this is not true of all Satanists, but the form where you worship a god called Satan/Lucifer is generally reffered to within the Satanic Community as Devil Worship...Similarly, if Hitler had a religion, it was Architecture, as in the building of the totalitarian society, with him at the helm.

It can never be said that he was a decent man, but damn, he sure was an interesting one, imagine the strength of character and conviction to get an entire nation behind a movement you create, and then take on the world with.....truly amazing.

Who knows, maybe he was possessed by the spirit of AntiChrist ......

In Ostara Lanz began using the kruckenkreuz (the symbol depicted on the chest of the knight, a design combining the two possible virtual movements of the swastika; destro- and sinistroverse, also called croix potent.) as well as the the swastika.

Lanz's notorious magazine attracted Hitler in his early days as an impoverish artists in Vienna. It is known that Hitler was so inflamed with the wild occult, racial, and anti-Semitic theories he found in Ostara , that he paid a visit to the editor's offices and came face-to-face with Lanz himself. Some authors claim that it was through the pages of Ostara that Hitler became inflated with the swastika as a symbol of the Arian people.

In 1934, a year after Hitler came to power, Lanz wrote that the Order of the New Templars was the "first manifestation of the [Nazi] Movement, which now, in accordance with the law of God, is most powerful in history and unrestrainedly sweeping over the world."

The city is in turmoil. The Kaiser's republic has collapsed with the defeat of Germany in the First World War, and the whole country is up for grabs. It appears as if Germany is about to fall apart into the warring city-states from which it had been assembled nearly fifty years ago. The victorious Allies are demanding enormous concessions from Germany. The Russian Revolution has been in full swing for a year, and German soldiers returning from the front are being cajoled into helping midwife the same type of Communist regime amid the ashes of the Second Reich

Kurt Eisner--an intellectual and a Jew, a defender of the League of Nations--takes the initiative and proclaims a Socialst Republic in Munich on the seventh of November, 1918. It looks as if there is going to be a Communist regime in Germany-- or, at least, a Socialist one in Bavaria--after all. Hysteria grows among the nationalists, and with it despair that their nation is on the verge of realizing the dreams of Marx and Engels as codified in their famous Manifesto. Germans are bewildered, shocked... stunned into a kind of nervous stupefaction. They have lost the war, their country may be broken up once again into many seperate bickering pieces, and there will soon be Communists calling the shots in Berlin and in the capitol of Bavaria: Munich

Within forty-eight hours there is a meeting of the Thule Gesselshaft. The Thule, a mystical society based in part on the theosophical writings of Guido von List and Lanz von Liebenfels--which is to say, an amalgam of Eastern religion, theosophy, anti-semitism, Grail romance, Runic mystification, and Nordic paganism--meets every Saturday in spacious rooms at the elegant Four Seasons Hotel in Munich. There are roughly 250 members of the Thule in Munich... and over fifteen hundred in Bavaria. On that day, November 9, a bizarre individual, an occultist, an initiate of the Eastern mysteries in Turkey as well as of Freemasonry, and the leader and founder of the Thule--the self-styled Baron Rudolf von Sebottendorff--makes an impassioned plea to the assembled cultists for armed resistance to the Reds. This plea eventually degenerates into a monologue on runes, German racial theory, Nordic mythology, and other arcane lore. No matter. Most of his listeners know what to expect. They are, in fact, members of the supersecret, superracist, and superoccult "German Order Walvater of the Holy Grail," or Germanenorden, which is using the name Thule Gesellshaft--or Thule Society, a "literary-cultural society"--as a cover to confuse Munich's fledgling Red Army, which is on the lookout for right-wing extremists. Sebotendorff himself is Master of the anti-Semitic Germanenorden's Bavarian division under its leader and founder, Hermann Pohl.

The Thule cultists--whose symbol is a long dagger superimposed on a swastika--need no encouragement. They begin stockpiling weapons in secret supply dumps in and around Munich, anticipating a counterstrike against the new Socialist Republic. They make alliances with other nationalist groups, such as the Pan-Germans under editor Julius Lehmann, the German School Bund, the Hammerbund... and an organized resistance movement is born. All the mystical and clandestine labors of the past twenty years involving a series of secret occult organizations with elaborate initiation ceremonies and complex magical rituals, from the List Society's inner HAO (Higher Armanen Order) to the Order of the New Templars, will soon culminate in a pitched battle in the streets of Munich between the neo-pagan Thule Society and the "godless Communists".

February 21, 1919. The idealistic but hapless Kurt Eisner--who preceded political speeches with symphonic concerts -- is assassinated by a young count and would-be Thulist. The police descend upon Thule headquarters, looking for inflammatory leaflets and other evidence of Thule Society involvement in the plot. Was the notoriously anti-Semitic Thule Society somehow responsible for Eisner's assasination? Sebotendorff stonewalls, and threatens to instigate a pogrom if the police don't leave the Thule Society alone. The police comply.

April 7, 1919. A rebel Bavarian Soviet Republic is proclaimed in Munich as the legitimate minister-president of Bavaria flees north with his council to the town of Bamburg to prevent the Communists from taking over the government. The Thule organizes among the anti-Communist factions in Munich and Sebottendorff begins conspiring with the "exiled" Bavarian government in Bamberg for a counterrevolt.

April 13, 1919. Sebotendorff is away at Bamburg, busy organizing a Freikorps (Free Corps) assault on Communist headquarters, when a Red Army unit raids Thule Society offices and arrests it's secretary, the Grafin Hella von Westarp, and seizes the Thule membership lists. Six more Thulists are arrested at their homes, including the Prince von Thurn und Taxis, a well-connected aristocrat with blood relations among the crowned heads of Europe.

April 30, 1919. Walpurgisnacht. The High Holy Day of European Paganism and Witchcraft. The Red Army executes the captured Thulists and other hostages, shooting them against a wall in a courtyard of Luitpold High School. It is probably the worst mistake they could have made.

The next day, an obituary appears in Sebottendorff's Munchener Beobachter--a newspaper which a year later become the official Nazi propaganda sheet, the Volkishcer Beobachter[Under Alfred Rosenberg]--giving the names of the seven murdered cultists and laying the blame on the doorstep of the Red Army. The citizens of Munich are finally outraged, shaken out of their lethargy. Thulists continue their well-organized campaign of agit-prop against the Communist regime. The people take to the streets.

The Free Corps--twenty thousand strong--marches on Munich under the comand of General von Oven. For the first time in history, storm troopers--members of the Ehrhardt Free Corps Brigade--march beneath a swastika flag with swastikas painted on their helmets, singing a swastika hymn. As they enter the city, they find that the Thule has managed to organize a full-scale citizen rebellion against the Soviet government. They join forces.

When the dust settles on May 3, the Communists have been defeated in Munich, politically and militarily. Hundreds of people, including many innocent civilians, have been senselessly slaughtered in their streets and homes by the crusading "Whites" with the swastika banners. But there will be no Socialist or Communist government in Germany until after World War II, over twenty-five years later, and even then it will rule over half of the country and will take its orders from Germany's most despised enemy, the Soviet Union.

But now, so soon after the victorious march of the Freikorps through the streets of Munich, the threat of a Soviet regime in the rest of Germany is still very real. Units of the navy are in mutiny, raising the red flag over Germany's battleships. France will march into the Ruhr Valley, Germany's industrial heartland. But the spectacular success of the Freikorps has aroused the admiration of anti-Bolshevik forces all across Europe. In Riga, the newly formed Latvian Republic begs for Freikorps assistance to defend their country against the Bolsheviks and even the British support it's decision. Hence, Freikorps units move to the defense of Latvia until the British themselves have to intervene to free Latvia from the death grip of these rabid proto-Nazi brigands.

Even Germany's own right wing is divided into two camps: those in favor of restoring the monarchy and seperating Bavaria from the rest of Germany, and those in favor of a unified Greater German Reich, without a monarch but with a leader, a leader with vision. A German messiah. A Fuhrer. Where is that Fuhrer to be found?

Unwittingly, the Thule Gesselschaft provides the answer. Meeting in the expensive Four Seasons Hotel, the leading industrialists and aristocracy of the city, along with a generous helping of local police and military officials, are designing a two-pronged strategy of political activism. The Thule Society will do the organizing, will make the right connections among the society figures, the wealthy capitalists, the intelligentsia. They will stockpile weapons. They will organize units of the Free Corps, particularly the Ehrhard Brigade (which will become an official unit of Germany's navy as the Ehrhardt Naval Brigade and, eventually, subsumed into Himmler's SS) and the Freikorps Oberland.

But another arm of the Thule has already begun recruiting-- not among Munich's "beautiful people", the rich and the powerful-- but among the working people, the lower and middle-class citizens who have been hit hardest by the civil wars, the enormous rates of inflation, the chaos and confusion. There will be no overt involvement of the Thule Society in this group, which is to be called instead the German Workers Party and which will be led by a serious, humorless, railroad employee and locksmith named Anton Drexler. They will meet in a beer hall. Perhaps between the two groups--the Thule with its academics, nobles, and factory owners meeting at the Four Seasons, and the German Workers Party with its rought-and-tumble factory workers meeting in beer halls-they will be able to form a united front against Communism, "international" Freemasonry, and world Jewry.

[Dear Reader: It is one of the more recuring facts of the occult secret societies of their habit of superficially turning on their own current public petina's when they sense opportunity presented by political wind blowing in a new direction, then simply resurfacing under a new nom-de-plume when the advantage of the situation has been taken. In order to detect and understand this it is necessary to have some background on the core theology of this occult battle. The essence of it is this, which we hope to expand on in the future: that "God" of the Bible - Jehova or Yahwah (YHWH) is not god but the jealous and vengeful Satan, and that Samael (Satan) is the real God of Light who is endevouring to "Free" man into "Liberty" from the yoke of Jehova who want's to keep us in ignorance. Hence the Serpant (or Dragon as they prefer to refer to him as) is the "God" of Wisdom. This theology is always consistent, please refer to the belief system of the Gnostics, Mandeans, Goths, "St. John" Christians et all. You will also find this completely agrees with the writing's of the Freemason's if you pursue some of the treatises of their more well known authors, as well as of course the accusations made against the Knights Templar. The Occult Religion of the Nazi's is entirely consistent with this. The objective is destroying the "yoke" of Jehova and as the biggest advocate of Jehova is the "Jews" then that is why they are singled out for "special" treatment. Of course there has been some Jewish Sects who have incorporated elements of this heresy in their secret doctrines, such as the early Judeo-Gnostics and probably the infamous Benjamites. It is a very tangled tale but the important point to always remember is that the objective is not ascendency of whatever current public organizational device they are using but the ascendency of the idea; the idea that Samael is the God of Light, Liberty and Wisdom, while Jehova is the God of Darkness, Tyranny and Ignorance.]

Within a year, this project of the Thule Gesellschaft will become the NSDAP: the National Socialist German Workers' Party. The Nazi Party. It will sport a swastika flag and a corporal who had been sent by the German Army to spy on the organization: Adolf Hitler.

And by Novemeber, 1923, the tiny German Workers Party will have grown to enormous proportions with many thousands of members, and will attempt to take over the country in the famous Beer Hall Putsch. The Putsch will fail, but Adolf Hitler the Fuhrer will be born--not in a manger like the Son of God he often believed himself to be--but in a jail cell at Landsberg Prison.

What was the Thule Gesselschaft?
What were cultists doing fighting Communists in the streets of Munich?
What did they believe?
How did it influence the Nazi Party?

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Very interesting Pudro5, very much along the lines of things that I have read, but put very simply and eloquently. Did you write that or copy it?

Either way, excellent read, you got my vote.

Originally posted by DrBones666
Very interesting Pudro5, very much along the lines of things that I have read, but put very simply and eloquently. Did you write that or copy it?

He cut and pasted it from freemasonrywatch.org...

You will find out that (wild guess) 99% of the long posts like that tend to be nothing but cut and paste jobs.

Not worth wasting your Way Above Top Secret vote over.