Young Conservatives

How can so many young people be conservative? I understand old people, going around with their walkers yelling

"Back in my day blacks had to sit in the back, in the good ol days blacks had to go to different schools, back in the good days before liberals had there way blacks couldn't own property."

But so many young people who are being shafted by the conservatives in power to be conservative? How do you plan to go to college? No more student loans, Bush cut those to fund Iraq War, no money from parents since Bush sent their jobs over seas and then gave the company a tax break. Minimum wage pay for it? Not if the conservatives have there way and cut it to 4$ an hour. Join the army? Can't be in college and dying in Iraq, or Iran, or Syria at the same time can you?

Young people wake up, you will be left ignorant, mutilated by a mine you stepped on in Iran, and penniless by conservatives!

DevinS I love your signature.
I think the term conservative is to broad a term to apply to anyone person.
Your also assuming that Bush brings conservative values to the oval office a number of people in what should be his core supporter base are taking a dislike to Bushs policys.

so that is the purpose of this thread to dis conservatives?

I was gonna ask you why there is so many people over the age of 40 that are liberals?

Like AL Franken? And Jon Stewart, and Michael Moore? Because they learned at a young age that if they don't want to be shafted by the government they have to vote in a spineless government.

Think about it, this Administration has the spine, and testicular fortitude, to shoot people in the face and blame that person because he looked like a bird! Lying about WMDs in Iraq, then saying they never went there for that it was to free the people, and then never leave. To expose a CIA agent because her husband told the truth. To sit and laugh as people starve to death on their roofs waiting for help after Katrina.

A dem administration? He might have something for the interns, but to think he could get away with that? They can't even get away with cheating on their wife let alone shafting the constitution, the people, the troops, the country, the voters, so forth.

Do you think the dems would have the spine to stage a terrorist attack just so they could attack foreign countries in the Middle East? NO! They wouldn't and don't, so there is 2 trillion dollars not wasted on Haliburton giving the troops poisoned water, no body armor, and no ammo. Is it sad troops have to beg for ammo? Out of 2 trillion dollars wasted in Iraq and troops don't have ammo, or armor, or clean water, but Halliburton flies around on a quarter billion dollar private jet.

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All you youngins out there who think you will have money in the future, not when another 30,000 dollars per person has just gone to the deficit.

More deficit has been made under Bush then All Other Presidents Combined. WHo do you think is going to pay that? The old conservatives who are gonna be dead still dreaming of the good ol days when only white men could vote and own land or the youngins who won't be able to vote since Bush will have declared himself King and can't own land because the government used Emenant(sp?) Domain to take it all and sell it to Halliburton for a dollar an acre to make the peasants work on it to live there. No work, they kick you out of the hut and you starve to death.

A friend of mine told me once long ago that he was "apolitical" because he read the philosophical tracts. He told me, "Once you think about what the different theorists said (Hegel, Foucault, Marcuse, Veblen, Weber, etc.), you begin to see politics as a hypocrisy."

I told him then, I thought he was crazy.

As I get older, I am beginning to see the wisdom of what he meant. But that hasn't stopped my committment to learn as much as I can about politics.

So, it's not so much whether there are young conservatives. I think that sometimes, kids adopt their parents' political affiliations when they start to learn about politics. And depending where you live, it also has to do with teachers in schools in certain states and regions.

But..when you start to go to college or venture into the real world, your horizons begin to broaden. And all bets are off. Experiences either turn you to liberalism or conservatism. But, there is always room for change as people age.

For myself, I know that my taxes will always be affected, my ability to get good health care will always be toyed around with and the glass ceiling will always be there. I also realize that all sectors of the American public must prosper to achieve life, liberty and property. Not only the rich ones.

And that is why I am a Democrat.

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Suppose it depends on what your definition of conservative is?

The current bastardized version of the GOP doesn't reflect much
in regards to paleoconservatism or the "Party of Abe".

Devin: Young Very strong conservative here.

Let me school you a bit on why we are conservative, and hell, I'll even only stick to economics.


1) The degree of Capitalism in a country is in proportion to the freedom of said country. It is historically the only system to raise the economic and living standard of everyone, regardless of class.

2) Social programs are a proven failure, and always will be for the simple fact that no man ever spends his money the same way he spends another’s. I have earned the money and should have the inherent right to it.

3) Liberals consistently make connections that simply don't exist. Here's an example. Liberals say that because conservatives don't want the government to do something, that it should not be done (i.e. our desire to kill social security means we want our seniors to starve and die).

It's nonsense in every sense of the word.

4) After decades of the War of Poverty, do you really think it's working? Who's being naive now?

Originally posted by DevinS
Like AL Franken? And Jon Stewart, and Michael Moore? Because they learned at a young age that if they don't want to be shafted by the government they have to vote in a spineless government.

Hate to tell you, but we are and have been screwed and shafted by the government. Perhaps you aren't aware of the slow wussification of this country. The PC police and the safety moms rule this country now.

Think about it, this Administration has the spine, and testicular fortitude, to shoot people in the face and blame that person because he looked like a bird! Lying about WMDs in Iraq, then saying they never went there for that it was to free the people, and then never leave. To expose a CIA agent because her husband told the truth. To sit and laugh as people starve to death on their roofs waiting for help after Katrina.

You have proven you obvious bias, spin, and odd connection between Bush and conservatism (where there really isn't much there).

Bush sucks. Got it? Don't confuse those like Ron Paul with those like Bush.

A dem administration? He might have something for the interns, but to think he could get away with that? They can't even get away with cheating on their wife let alone shafting the constitution, the people, the troops, the country, the voters, so forth.

The Democratic Party are stanch Marxists and Socialists of varying degrees. Socialism is generally worthless unless you are governing less than a million or so.

You really need to come with a better argument around here friend, and that's an honest tip.

Don't make me sick Amuk on ya.

How is that Bias? Did they not shoot a guy in the face and then blame him for looking like a bird? Did they not say Iraq had WMDs, knowingly lying about it, and exposing a CIA agent because her husband said there were no WMDs, and now documents out saying that Bush didn't care if Saddam had WMDs he was going to invade anyways, then change the story to freeing the people, and yet not leaving even after an election?

Gee, when did FACTS become bias?

Originally posted by DevinS
Gee, when did FACTS become bias?

Did you know that, overnight, Russ Feingold's censure of Bush gained 33% more supporters in the legislative branch? That's a fact!

There were 3 supporters, now there are 4. It went up by 33%. See any bias in the way I presented it?

Not bias, it is fact. Why do you consider that bias to say it went up by 33% from 3 to 4 people? That would/is fact, therefor not bias.

Devin: God forbid you address the entirety of my post, but hey, that's just me. Let's look a bit more in detail, since you can't see what I'm talking about.

But so many young people who are being shafted by the conservatives in power to be conservative?

I haven't heard how Bush has "shafted" us all that much more than all the garbage between the New Deal and now. Perhaps you could elaborate.

How do you plan to go to college? No more student loans, Bush cut those to fund Iraq War

Last time I checked, the President can not enact a budget, cut programs, or legislate. But I have a few points on this one.

1) Why do I pay for other kids to go to college?

2) Are you aware that the private sector has things called banks, and that they typically store money and loan it (and fictional money as well) out for such things as cars, houses, and college?

3) I'd look at the budget. Student loans and grants are still out there.

no money from parents since Bush sent their jobs over seas and then gave the company a tax break.

If you think Bush somehow created the outsourcing of jobs, then you need to rethink your view on big government, over taxation, super inflation, and socialism.

Minimum wage pay for it? Not if the conservatives have there way and cut it to 4$ an hour. Join the army? Can't be in college and dying in Iraq, or Iran, or Syria at the same time can you?

No, you can't. A few notes on this.

1) This is probably one of the least deadly wars to be in.

2) We are not at war with Syria or Iran, so your speculation does not have roots in fact.

3) If you don't want to work for a company for 4 bucks an hour, then don't. It's called freedom, and I know the risk of being free makes many too nervous to be anything but socialists.

Young people wake up, you will be left ignorant, mutilated by a mine you stepped on in Iran, and penniless by conservatives!

Uh huh. Again, presentation is everything. You have misrepresented facts, reality, and basically trampled a reasoned conversation.

Luckily, you have many chances around here.

Originally posted by DevinS
Not bias, it is fact. Why do you consider that bias to say it went up by 33% from 3 to 4 people? That would/is fact, therefor not bias.

So you don't see how saying the censure increased by 33% could cause people to think that it gained a lot of support suddenly? No agenda in saying it went up 33% instead of saying Patrick Leahy joined Feingold? What about saying only .63% of the legislative branch thinks Feingold's censure idea is a good one? What if one were to say that over 99% of the legislative branch thinks Feingold's censure idea is a bad one? All facts, all geared to spin the audience into viewing the statistics a certain way. You really can't see that?

By the way.

Hey Jake. How ya been?

Originally posted by KrazyJethro
Devin: Young Very strong conservative here.

Just two questions.
What makes you a conservative ?
Who is do say that you are a conservative ?

Originally posted by xpert11
What makes you a conservative ?

I am a fiscal Capitalist. I believe in the Constitutional Republic this nation was founded on and would like to return to a more Constitutional form of government.

Originally posted by xpert11
Who is do say that you are a conservative?

I don't know what you mean. Do you mean "to" instead of "do"?

Nope, no spin, you say "It went up by 33%, from 3 to 4 people." How is that spin? You said the truth.

Devin: It is spin, which is the use of specific facts or the rewording of facts to depict something that is beneficial to one side.

Depending on the use of course.

Nevertheless, I can see you've given up on debating the points you yourself brought up.

Please don't talk down to my generation. We need to clean up the mess the Baby-boomers and New Dealers handed us; hence the conservatism.

How is it spin! It was clearly stated that it went up by 33%, from 3 to 4 people. Now if you just said went up by 33% to an ignoramus then it might be spin, but to say it went up by 33%, from 3 to 4 people, that is not spin! he gave all the information, not just part of it!

Also, Bush cut funding for scholarships and student loans, young people no longer go to college. Its clear, its concise, and Bush did it.

Oh whats this? More jobs go overseas then ever because the companies are given a tax break by Bush for doing so. No one has a job, no money, no college.

Minimum wage was going to increase, but reps shot it down. Again no money to pay for college, not even a diploma mill.

All done under Bush&Co, all hurting young people, so again, how can young people be conservative? They do everything they can to hurt young people so how can you support them? it's like a black person supporting the KKK, or Ted Freaking Nugent supporting PETA, they go against everything they are so why support/be them?