NEWS: Sandra Day O'Connor Fears U.S. Dictatorship

Originally posted by benevolent tyrant
[Now I am not saying that an American dictatorship is probable. What I am simply commenting on is the fact that this idea has become possible, albeit remotely.

As for sharing my "feelings", well I still live in a free society don't I? My "feelings" are just as valid as your criticism of my "feelings". And, in the same vein, my expressed "feelings" have contributed just as much to this post as your criticisms.

Just for the record. I don't hang out with "gloom and doomers". But I do listen to their rants and ravings. Their diatribes of despair are usually dismissed out of hand. However, lately, I cannot help but note that this type of discussion has become increasingly prevalent and that, in itself, is something that I cannot help but note. That said, I would like to add that, ultimately, I do have faith in the American people and their indomitable spirit.

I was not criticizing you - it just came across that way to you. Sorry. But the reason that the ranting and ravings have become more prevalent is because they are becoming more desparate, since nothing they have predicted has come to fruition.

I mean, c'mon - less freedoms than fascist Germany? Calling that a ridiculous statement is not Republican or Democrat. It's just calling a spade a spade.

Originally posted by marg6043
When a respected person as the former supreme judge makes a comment using the words Dictatorship unless anybody here can prove that she is losing her mind, it is something to be worry about and to take very seriously.

Marg c'mon, i have seen people take comments out of context in here pretty much every day, and you have been one of them. I know a lot of people wish these things to be true, but we need to think with a clear mind instead of jumping to conclusions.

If those statements really came from her, which I am starting to doubt since for some reason this appeared only in an unknown website and didn't make into the headlines which every newsmedia would have picked since day one if it was true, and since the purported statement is not even saying the U.S. is a dictatorship, but that according to this claim, she thinks we should stop the first steps which could lead to a dictatorship from ever taking place, I think that either this is a hoax, or her statements were taken completly out of context and were changed.

Now, the other part which makes me think this is BS, is the purpoted statement in which it is claimed she said that Republicans are pretty much agreeing with allowing judges to be killed..... I am sorry, but that tells me this story is total BS. IMO this is just another made up story to be used as a political tool.

I agree with jsobecky completly.


[edit on 15-3-2006 by Muaddib]

I don't know what Muaddip considers a known website, I go to both the Guardian and NPR sites on a regular basis and both are rather reputable I would say. As for mainstream media not picking it up...come on man you are getting delusional in your old age, with, dispite constant reteroic from the right to the contrary, the American media is controlled lock, stock and barrel by conservative forces, and if they don't like something, it doesn't make the news. Just like here, I have seen bonified news voted down, that should have posted. Personally it sounds to me like the old lady is beginning to regret her vote in 2000, as she should.

Originally posted by grover
I don't know what Muaddip considers a known website, I go to both the Guardian and NPR sites on a regular basis and both are rather reputable I would say. As for mainstream media not picking it up...come on man you are getting delusional in your old age, with, dispite constant reteroic from the right to the contrary, the American media is controlled lock, stock and barrel by conservative forces, and if they don't like something, it doesn't make the news. Just like here, I have seen bonified news voted down, that should have posted. Personally it sounds to me like the old lady is beginning to regret her vote in 2000, as she should.

The first time I saw this was on this website.

www.npr.org...

Which was linked by the original poster df1, which is the site I was refering to. The guardian picked it up, probably from that same site 3 days later.

BTW, I am not that old, 34 is barely starting to live life.

As for your opinion that the media in the U.S. is controlled by Republicans....I am sorry to ruin your wish but that's simply not true. If no media in the U.S. would be trying to pick and choose every skeleton, exageration and even taking ut of context statements by the present administration you would probably be right, but you are not. Sorry if I ruined your dream/wish, but reality sometimes hits you like a rock, doesn't it?

Second, the purported claim that this woman is saying that Republicans are allowing judges to be killed, clearly shows this is nothing more than political propaganda.

[edit on 15-3-2006 by Muaddib]

Sorry Muaddip you are the one who is wrong...the CEO's of all the major media outlets give far more to the Republicans than the Democrats, and in all reality, there are far more conservative voices in both print and on air than there are liberal ones, even on NPR and PBS. I actually ahd a young man tell me recently that he had no idea what the Democrats and Liberals stood for because all he'd ever been exposed to in the media were conservative voices. You cannot count the number of conservative talk radio jocks and print commentators, while liberal voices can be counted on your fingers. As for her statement that Republicans are in favor of murdering judges there are those in your party that have indeed advocated such things...Ann Coulter recently suggested poisoning the remaining "liberal" judges on the surpreme court, and Pat Robertson has publically prayed that they die soon. When you have any group demonizing another, like the hard right does "liberal activist" judges (all they really want to do is replace "liberal" or "moderate" activist judges with "conservative" and "right wing" activists, make no mistake about it) then the stage is set for some crack pot taking a crack shot. The same thing has happened with abortion providers...if you think it won't with judges, you are delusional and all your "facts" won't cahnge that one iota.

I would have been embarrassed to be so conservative at such a young age.

By the way DF1, there are plenty of good and decent conservatives and Republicans (not always the same thing ya know) that are afraid that Bushes policies are leading us down the path to totalarism as well. It would be interesting to hear what Barry Goldwater would have to say about Bush etal. I have a feeling it wouldn't be nice or pretty.

Originally posted by grover
I actually ahd a young man tell me recently that he had no idea what the Democrats and Liberals stood for because all he'd ever been exposed to in the media were conservative voices. You cannot count the number of conservative talk radio jocks and print commentators, while liberal voices can be counted on your fingers.

And why do you think that is? Probably the most highly touted liberal radio show recently has been Air America Radio. It is backed by ultra-liberal billionaire George Soros, among others. Yet, it is on the verge of bankruptcy, with an ever-decreasing audience. Why?

Is it because it is the victim of a vast right-wing conspiracy to silence it?

Or might it be that the American public doesn't want to hear their constant whining about how evil the conservatives are?

OR, could it be that the liberal Democrats have no message other than to complain about the current administration?

When you have any group demonizing another, like the hard right does "liberal activist" judges (all they really want to do is replace "liberal" or "moderate" activist judges with "conservative" and "right wing" activists, make no mistake about it) then the stage is set for some crack pot taking a crack shot. The same thing has happened with abortion providers...if you think it won't with judges, you are delusional and all your "facts" won't cahnge that one iota.

Fact of life: the president in office when a vacancy comes around on SCOTUS gets to nominate the replacement.

Another factoid: people are responsible for their own actions, even the "crackpots" who live on the fringes of reality.

I would have been embarrassed to be so conservative at such a young age.

Some people mature earlier than others. And some people never grow up.

Your factiods are a little off...I am not questioning the right of the president to appoint a surpreme court judge...I was pointing out that there are those on the hard right who have indeed advocated (or feverantly wished for) the death of killing of so called liberal judges so they can be replaced with more conservative ones. As for Air America, I don't listen to it either, I have more important things to do with my time than listening to some blowhard from either the right or the left. And as for growing up...if being a right wing conservative is what it means to be a grown up...God please let me be Peter Pan.

jsobecky

*yawn*

The only thing in this thread that I find tiring is your relentless devotion to painting the world in two extremes.... the conservative right and the liberal left....



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Regarding the "source"...

UPI Reports the following.


Regarding "conservatives"...

There is a BIG difference between real "conservatives" and the idiots who continue to nakedly support this treasonous, law-breaking, incompetent, hypocritical administration.


Regarding the "media"...

It is controlled by the inane consumption habits of a populous that has very little interest in REAL news... Plain and simple.


EDIT: Edited to add more adjectives to describe this administration...but then I realized I don't have all day...


[edit on 15-3-2006 by loam]

Originally posted by grover
Your factiods are a little off...I am not questioning the right of the president to appoint a surpreme court judge...I was pointing out that...

I never said you denied that fact. I implied that you overlooked it in your thinking. That was in response to your statement:

When you have any group demonizing another, like the hard right does "liberal activist" judges (all they really want to do is replace "liberal" or "moderate" activist judges with "conservative" and "right wing" activists, make no mistake about it)

What that means is that no matter how much the "hard right" wants to replace liberal judges with conservative ones, the ultimate decision is made by the POTUS.

And that's a fact!

And as for growing up...if being a right wing conservative is what it means to be a grown up...God please let me be Peter Pan.

Easily done - just keep your eyes tightly closed and your ears plugged!

Originally posted by loam
jsobecky

*yawn*

The only thing in this thread that I find tiring is your relentless devotion to painting the world in two extremes.... the conservative right and the liberal left....

I see you haven't been working on your reading comprehension like you were told to do. Shame shame!:shk:

PS: And get some sleep, or learn some manners.

You know, jsobecky, I am tired...

I re-read your posts, and if I truly eliminate all assumptions about what you say, I can agree with an additional sentence or two...

Btw, what do you suggest is a good source for "learning" manners???



[edit on 15-3-2006 by loam]

Can we see if we can find and stick to the topic please?

Sorry, boss.

Here is another source on the story:

Countdown.

Originally posted by Muaddib
If those statements really came from her, which I am starting to doubt since for some reason this appeared only in an unknown website and didn't make into the headlines

Google SDO and Dictatorship Results

For one thing, it's all over the Internet Media.

Secondly, just consider that you may be mistaken about the control of the media, because soon, all stories of import will be difficult to find. The population will be fed a line of spew that has nothing to do with what's going on in the world and you'll either suck it up like a starving sheep or you'll be out looking for the truth with the rest of us.

Just consider it for a moment. Ask yourself why it's all over the Internet, yet FOX hasn't mentioned it...

Sorry to say it BH, but the screws are tightening. This just in - and virtually ignored on ATS:


Pennsylvania Attorney General's Office Seizes Hard Drives From News Organization


Once, Freedom of the Press was a foundation of American liberty. Not any more.

Last year, the FBI went to Britain to seize a hard drive from Indymedia. This month, it happened in Pennsylvania. Tomorrow the world.

We have fewer rights then fascist Germany? You have got to be joking right?
Where are the death camps? Where are the pink triangles and the Yellow stars?

Federal Police force? Are you talking about the FBI? The BATF? The U.S MArshalls? OH MY GOD!! We have one already!!!

Pathetic excuses for free thinkers. Being against something is not a way of life. Unless you are a Democrat.

You must be for a idea if you want to be taken seriously.

crmanager:

I'm curious...What say you about SDO's comments??? Are you describing that as left-wing paranoia???

The HONORABLE distinguished, retired Justice of the United states agrees with DGTEMPE???

Darn. I am good.

Good for you, Sandra. Call it as you see it. The truth will set you free.

Now is your time to come out and speak the truth which so many deny or just plain are afraid to talk

This woman is right on the ball and i will be following her speeches at all times.

Deny ignorance is not only here but with Sandra.