Are We In Our End Of Days?

Just look at all the media on TV, our children in schools, leaders of our countries, and religion in itself, all over the whole planet earth, has become in my opinion the worst ever in the history of mankind. So much evil and greed. so many people fighting for freedom to do evil. Yes Evil, for we our whole planet, we as people who live on this plant are destroying the earth, we are destroying our children’s minds, and we are destroying any innocence left. Are we actually becoming uncivilized? When will God in all his mercy put and end to all of us, for we in my opinion have become not deserving of anything our creator has given us. Just like Sodom and Gomorrah, God put and end to that. Why can’t we see the warning signs? Who will be the first to admit their faults in contributing to our own destruction?

Good point, however, if you sit and timeline history...in theory we have been in "end days" since 1 AD. Don't forget, revelations, was also a way to talk about the "kings" that existed at the time, the things they were doing and such.
IS the earth changing? I believe so, weather patterns are changing, longer seasons, etc.

The sad part is , I don't believe we will ever realize the fact that we all live here, with NO WHERE TO GO, and if we can not learn to live with each other AND the planet we live on, we WILL be the cause of our own destruction.

Originally posted by NetStorm
Good point, however, if you sit and timeline history...in theory we have been in "end days" since 1 AD.

According to Historicism every person that has prophesied being in the "End Times" since 70 AD has theoretically been correct, you ever think about it from that aspect?

We are just now further along into the end times, and closer to Judgment, then those before us were…

So its all a matter of opinion and perspective. From their perspective they saw some signs come to pass in their times, because they were, we are seeing some also because they still are.



[edit on 3/11/2006 by defcon5]

Originally posted by defcon5

Originally posted by NetStorm
Good point, however, if you sit and timeline history...in theory we have been in "end days" since 1 AD.

According to Historicism every person that has prophesied being in the "End Times" since 70 AD has theoretically been correct, you ever think about it from that aspect?

We are just now further along into the end times, and closer to Judgment, then those before us were…

So its all a matter of opinion and perspective. From their perspective they saw some signs come to pass in their times, because they were, we are seeing some also because they still are.



[edit on 3/11/2006 by defcon5]

I agree with what you are saying, it all depends on your perspective.
Consider this.....have you ever heard of the expression "Thoughts become things, think good ones"? What if, we -hummanity- in some collective "thought" way have been creating our own "end of days" by continuing the thoughts of stories passed down to us by religion . So the "happenings" are being created by ourselves . I know it sounds strange and I am not saying that it is the truth about the matter.
I've always have found "collective conscious" an interesting idea and have wondered if there is also a "collective subconscious"
here is one a many articles on the subject of "collective conscious" . No preference to it, just the first hit that goggle returned.
www.wie.org...

Here is one on "collective subconscious"
www.kheper.net...





[edit on 11-3-2006 by NetStorm]

Mytake on this isnt that we are in the end of days. We are certainly headed in a very bad direction and i do beleive the climax will be nuclear war.
As with every other war there will be enough people around to pick up the pieces after the dust settles and go on.

The world, per se, doesnt end. It will be here many more millions of years, and future generations will end up where we are today. This is all repeating itself......

The globe that is earth will remain. Its the innocents in it that will fall victim to whatever forces exist out there wanting us dead.
Its an evil world. Its the evil governments.

Onething i assure you is that one of the first steps in control is to make us all nuts with terror alerts, rumours, making us think its over has a very negative impact on society. They want us to go crazy and the more chaos the better.

Lucifer is loose and residing in Washington DC. All those hypocrites that claim they are doing things to "protect us" are nothing but Satanist worshipers following the devil's agenda.

I think in the end good will prevail, whether we are here alive to see it, its another story.

Originally posted by angelsrforever
Just look at all the media on TV, our children in schools, leaders of our countries, and religion in itself, all over the whole planet earth, has become in my opinion the worst ever in the history of mankind. So much evil and greed. so many people fighting for freedom to do evil. Yes Evil, for we our whole planet, we as people who live on this plant are destroying the earth, we are destroying our children’s minds, and we are destroying any innocence left. Are we actually becoming uncivilized? When will God in all his mercy put and end to all of us, for we in my opinion have become not deserving of anything our creator has given us. Just like Sodom and Gomorrah, God put and end to that. Why can’t we see the warning signs? Who will be the first to admit their faults in contributing to our own destruction?

I agree with you, the media on the TV has alot of influence on people. If the new you watch is corrupt then the people who watch it will have corrupt ideas. Well children are also influenced by the media, where do you think think they get all those ideas to dress the way they do, and do the things they do. TV can be a very evil thing. Especially with the stuff on it. Well as for leaders, there is no such thing as a perfect leader. Everybody makes a mistake, God made us that way. We can never be perfect. But yes through the varies decades of man, there has always been corrupt leaders. Well it just depends on your religion too. I mean if your a leader of a country and your Muslim then all your ideas are going to be influenced by the Islamic way of things. Especially places like Iraq and Saudi Arabia. Alot of stuff been happening to Earth. We've had major hurricanes and earthquakes in the course of one year. Things are turning for the worst. People aren't taking care of Earth. We ruin our atmosphere by the toxic wastes we put into the air. Few people are aware of the dangers they putting upon ourselves. The O-zone's hole is getting bigger and bigger. Which has also caused the increase of global warming over the years. There is also a scientific theory about how in 2010-2020 the polar caps will melt, at the rate we are at and the way we are destroying the only home we have. It seems that it's going to happen. We already see the polar cap melting alittle. If you ever go up north, where some glaciers are located, you can see some of it break apart before your very own eyes. We need to start to take care of Earth, before we lose it. People's greed has caused alot of problems. There is a famous saying which I'm sure you've heard of it, it was in the Spider man movie, in it uncle Ben tells Peter Parker "absolute power, corrupts absolutely". Basically in simpler form people who gain power will eventually become corrupt. We've seen it in history, ever leader gets too full of themselves and ruins their power. That's why in the U.S. we have the limit on how long a president can serve. That way we can avoid corruption. It's also the reason why monarchies never really worked. The king would die and next in succession was his son. If the King was corrupt and a bad King, then his son will be the same way. Which brings onto our other point of how children's minds are being destroyed. It's a known fact that all those so called "bad habits" they pick up are from the parent. Children are very innocent at their young ages. They depend on their parents for everything. So they look up to their parents and people older than them. They watch them and see what they do. And because they are so innocent they think that whatever they see is the right thing to do. If you curse all the time around your child, by the time that child starts to talk or is talking, you'll start to hear it come out of their mouth. Children are influenced by the people around them. What have we done to change it? we really need to ask ourselves that. We keep on saying how nothing changes and nobody listens to what we have to say. When we want change, we have such great ideas, maybe the best of them all, but we do. We just tell people our ideas. We need to take action. If we want the world to change we have to stop being lazy and complaining how the world is becoming evil. Each one of us isn't doing anything to help it. So well maybe we should try to figure out ways to help Earth from dying. We cut down trees and that ruins our atmosphere. Well what about planting more trees than we cut down. We really need to be careful as to what we do. You are right. We need to ask ourselves what are we doing to change it. We are we doing to stop the world from being corrupt. In order for that to happen we do need to realize that each one of us, has fault to this problem in the world.

Originally posted by angelsrforever

, all over the whole planet earth, has become in my opinion the worst ever in the history of mankind. So much evil and greed. ...

the worlds collective moral condition cannot be worse than when the Creator you acknowledge, saw fit to destroy all humanity except for the Noah Family...we might be real close to being the worst ever...but we're not there as Yet, imho...
my guess is that the collective 'we' are judged on a type of sliding scale, and its our good works that is saving us from another global housecleaning. Just to name a few; Red Cross+Red Crescent+Red Diamond relief orgs. - Doctors without Borders, HIV & AIDS relief efforts for poor nations, and numberous other humanitarian programs & Charities in the world.
There seems to be enough Yin to balance the Yang in the human dynamics equasion.

Who will be the first to admit their faults in contributing to our own destruction?

hey, i may have shortcomings, but not the faults which lead humanity to the road of destruction, evil adventures, etc
i have consciously voted against the regimes that brought us to the situations we have today, from Nixon till GW Bush.

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perhaps a house cleaning is in order...before the PTB completely poison Nature with genetically modified food stuffs, and tweek the DNA, Genes of humanity to produce the hybrid race of the man-gods they want to create.
perhaps a 11th century world under religious law is what will save mankind from self-destruction...isn't it said that 'G0d works in mysterious ways'

Originally poste by NetStorm

I agree with what you are saying, it all depends on your perspective.
Consider this.....have you ever heard of the expression "Thoughts become things, think good ones"? What if, we -hummanity- in some collective "thought" way have been creating our own "end of days" by continuing the thoughts of stories passed down to us by religion . So the "happenings" are being created by ourselves . I know it sounds strange and I am not saying that it is the truth about the matter.
I've always have found "collective conscious" an interesting idea and have wondered if there is also a "collective subconscious"
here is one a many articles on the subject of "collective conscious" . No preference to it, just the first hit that goggle returned.
www.wie.org...

Here is one on "collective subconscious"
www.kheper.net...





[edit on 11-3-2006 by NetStorm]

I completely agree. Thoughts are indeed things. Look at where quantum physics is leading us. basically it states that existence in and of itself is only real inside of our heads. There is no out there, out there independent of what goes on inside of ourselves. Remember, everything we believe to be 'solid' is 99.9999999% empty space. The bible also states in a round about way that our thoughts or attitude affects the world around us.So,yeah,NetStorm,you are absolutely correct.

[edit on 11-3-2006 by SpeakerofTruth]

I do want a healthy safe future for my children. But it begins with action not words. I must put down bad habits to form good influence on my children. After all think about it. The most important people in my opinion right now are our children for they will become our future. But I alone can't stop the media sinking its claws into my kids. I myself am affected by movies I watch; sometimes fiction becomes fact, which then turns into our living reality of how much violence there exist. Our children murdering other children on per say "law and order TV sitcom" Gives the idea of this act of violence, and includes a recipe on how to get away with it. Maybe that's a poor example. But it starts with me, and ends with you the reader, and so on.
Big Bang on its way? Maybe not.
But God is. Are we ready?

Originally posted by angelsrforever
. But I alone can't stop the media sinking its claws into my kids.

Sure you can....change the channel, install a V chip. You may not be able to stop what is being shown, but you in your home can stop it from being seen.
The rest is up to you, how you instill your beliefs, how your children cope with peer pressure etc. It's not a perfect world, and it won't be for a while. We, as individuals, can do something at least for ourselves and those we care for correct?

Originally posted by NetStorm

Originally posted by angelsrforever
. But I alone can't stop the media sinking its claws into my kids.

Sure you can....change the channel, install a V chip. You may not be able to stop what is being shown, but you in your home can stop it from being seen.
The rest is up to you, how you instill your beliefs, how your children cope with peer pressure etc. It's not a perfect world, and it won't be for a while. We, as individuals, can do something at least for ourselves and those we care for correct?

I completely agree with you. There may be war and tons of "bad" things going on right now, but why focus so hard on the negative? You yourself have to continue living life and can't get caught up in the bad things ALL the time. Don't get me wrong the war is an important issue, but you have to worry about the more important thing, yourself.... your wife/family/friends/dog whatever...

Maybe that sounds a little egotistical? Oh well

[edit on 12-3-2006 by made2last]

We are IN the end of days. Christ is knocking at the door. All signs are here, my many in the media have been trained to cover the signs. Example, power given to the sun to burn mankind translates to manmade "globalwarming". There are so many earthquakes now they a rarely reported.

There have allways been many more earthquakes than are normally reported. There is no unusual earthquake activitythese days, so if that is a requirement, then this cannot be the endtimes. ALso, there have been many times in the past that were far better candidates for the endtimes than today.

Originally posted by Nygdan
There have allways been many more earthquakes than are normally reported. There is no unusual earthquake activitythese days, so if that is a requirement, then this cannot be the endtimes. ALso, there have been many times in the past that were far better candidates for the endtimes than today.

I agree Nygdan. All that has happened so far has all happened before. In the book of Numbers 16:30-33, even God recognizes that when stuff happens to people that has happened before, then people do not recognize the direct act of God to bring things about. So he caused some new thing to occur. Likewise, in this time, which is the very beginning of the end of days, we have seen only a few instances of recording setting damage so far.

However, I strongly believe that, in the next year, we will see some new combinations of war, oppression, disease, "natural disasters" (earthquakes of larger magnitude), etc that will be birth pangs (Matthew 24) that lead to the tribulation. I believe that some intercession from believers has delayed some of the pangs that would have occurred and that may not be a good thing. As Jesus used the analogy of birth pangs to describe the shakings of earth and people to precede that time, the pains will get more acute and will be closer together over time. Part of the purpose is to wake people up to the time in which they live.

However, God has given believers some authority to bind and loose events on earth through intercession, sometimes, even when it is not in our best interests to do so. In this case, some things that might already have happened have been delayed or eliminated. The result may be a steeper ramp of labor pains where, once they ensue, they will ramp very quickly, leaving less time for some to adjust to the new realities. I believe that the time we have enjoyed of relative peace and calm since Hurricane Katrina is in fact due to intercession from some believers. But, once the next events start, they will build up more quickly than many are expecting.
I believe the next wave of events, earthquakes, terrorist strikes in the US, serious economic shocks, etc. will occur before the end of April 2006. I am not completely sure, but I see many signs in multiple fields of study to indicate that.

By the end of 2006, many fewer people will doubt that we are in the end of days. The bad news for Apostate Christian folks who love fleshly doctrine -- nobody flies away in any pre-tribulation rapture.

I'd say we're in the end times.

Daniel 12:4 (KJV) says:

But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Has there been any time before now when people "ran to and fro"? We've got cars, airplanes, all sorts of modes of transportation.

Or how about a time where we had this high technology--computers, Internet, and the like?

I don't know if we are in the end times, but I do know we are in changing times. World political events aside, just look at the planet as a whole. Global warming is finally starting to be a reality, The times, they are a changin. Personally, I'm not worried, its all interesting to me. *kicks back and watches the world go by*

IMO the end of days will come when we want it to come.
It was promised, "ask and ye shall recieve", "God helps those who help themselves".

I think that what was described as the end of days, was what God saw as being our limit. Meaning, it will happen when things get bad enough that we all decide "no more". When we all decide to stop "crying" about it and start doing something about it and ask for God's help. There have been so many times when I have asked and recieved. Asking Gods help with full faith that he is going to give it is a difficult thing to ask, when it comes to ending our days. So, when it gets bad enough that all God's children ask him for help, that is when the end of days will be. I personally think that we are walking a real thin line right now. I think that all it will take is one more world war. God knows this, he knows our limit, and I believe it was our limit that was spoken of. There is no real time scale. He described the weapons we have now, tv, computers, and cars. Disease, earths pains from being overpopulated.

If we play our cards right, if we change, and start standing up for what is right, our "end of days" will be a while yet. I would love to see that happen, I just dont know that we will.

Do I wish for the end of days? Yes and no. I look and see what evil people do to children. The torture these innocent children go through, the hell that more and more have to live in.....it is not fair. Am I willing to give up watching my children play out side, watching the sunrise, and set, watching all of Gods miriacles unfold all around me? Am I willing to set all of that aside to join Gods army and fight off Satan, and defend the innocent? It will get worse before it gets better, but I know that the end result will be wonderful. Am I willing to ask for the end of days? As of a few days ago yes. I started to pray for that time to come. I dont want it to happen before God wants it to obviously. I know that he is waiting for each of his children to make their choice. Do I think it will happen just because I asked? No. But I know that God heard me and he is keeping tabs on who and how many ask and why. I think God is just watching and waiting for us to be truely ready.

[edit on 6-4-2006 by mrsdudara]

Yes, this is the End Times. Full of plagues, evil, debauchery, wasting souls and impiety. You better go out right now and dress in sackcloth and go up into the mountains and wait for Jesus to come flying in from Heaven on a big white horse and rescue all the believers, like yourself. Yeah, it won't be long until you'll be strolling through Paradise, all full of the wonder and glory of the Lord Everlasting, basking in his radiant and holy love. Congratulations!

Unfortunately, heathens like myself won't be going, but there's a way you can help me out. Between now and then, if you wouldn't mind giving me all of your money and property, I'd really appreciate it. It's true, after all, that "you can't take it with you." So since you won't be needing it yourself, you should be happy to pass it along to me. I will at least have some enjoyment in life before I fall into the everlasting burning abyss, and I'll be able to bear an eternity of torment knowing that someone as good and generous as yourself was appropriately rewarded for your righteousness.

Let me know, and I'll give you an address where you can send any money, deeds, stocks, or any other kind of bearer instruments.

Thanks a lot. God be with you, and vice-versa.

I'm not convinced the pre-trib Rapture thing is even true. Matthew chapter 24 points to a post-tribulation gathering of the saints.

So we Christians are in it for the long haul too....

Originally posted by Enkidu
Yes, this is the End Times. Full of plagues, evil, debauchery, wasting souls and impiety. You better go out right now and dress in sackcloth and go up into the mountains and wait for Jesus to come flying in from Heaven on a big white horse and rescue all the believers, like yourself. Yeah, it won't be long until you'll be strolling through Paradise, all full of the wonder and glory of the Lord Everlasting, basking in his radiant and holy love. Congratulations!

Unfortunately, heathens like myself won't be going, but there's a way you can help me out. Between now and then, if you wouldn't mind giving me all of your money and property, I'd really appreciate it. It's true, after all, that "you can't take it with you." So since you won't be needing it yourself, you should be happy to pass it along to me. I will at least have some enjoyment in life before I fall into the everlasting burning abyss, and I'll be able to bear an eternity of torment knowing that someone as good and generous as yourself was appropriately rewarded for your righteousness.

Let me know, and I'll give you an address where you can send any money, deeds, stocks, or any other kind of bearer instruments.

Thanks a lot. God be with you, and vice-versa.

Nicely phrased Enkidu!!!!!!