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Originally posted by Arcane Demesne
Ok serisouly. This is no laughing matter. I didn't know there were beatings. Perhaps it was just the particular lodge?
Originally posted by Edelweiss Pirate
This sort of thing is very common. I've got friends who were beaten-up as part of their induction. It helps set the tone of fear and intimidation under which they operate.
Freemason Shot Dead in a Masonic Ritual
Originally posted by Edelweiss Pirate
Thank you for replying Masonic Light, I must say however that I do not recognise the Masonry you describe. Maybe you are a Blue Degree mason, this would account for your positive view of the craft.
Originally posted by Edelweiss Pirate
In regard to your reply Masonic Light, that there is no hazing involved in Masonry, I am surprised as I consider it quite apparent that the well-known 'initation' procedure where the candidate is 'hoodwinked', has a dagger thrust to his breast and his threatened with all manner of torture and punishments if he reveal any secrets, to clearly be an example of hazing.
This procedure is only the public image of the initiation, much much more is involved. Hazing is used to disorder the thinking of the candidate to such a point that they become 'suggestible'. It is also a way of breaking the candidates preconditions about reality itself. This is not peculiar to Masonry however, many of the great religious sects use this to conditioning to 'illuminate' their disciples.. It is and was quite common in Christian Convents and Monasteries. Anywhere people seek to control others by spiritual means.
Originally posted by Edelweiss Pirate
In regard to your reply Masonic Light, that there is no hazing involved in Masonry, I am surprised as I consider it quite apparent that the well-known 'initation' procedure where the candidate is 'hoodwinked', has a dagger thrust to his breast and his threatened with all manner of torture and punishments if he reveal any secrets, to clearly be an example of hazing.
External source: Emulation ritual
branded a willfully perjured individual, void of all moral worth, and totally unfit to be received into this worshipful Lodge, or any other warranted Lodge, or society of men who prize honour and virtue above the external advantages of rank and fortune.
External source: Emulation ritual
The inclusion of such a penalty is unnecessary, for the Obligation you have taken this evening is binding on you for so long as you shall live.
This procedure is only the public image of the initiation, much much more is involved. Hazing is used to disorder the thinking of the candidate to such a point that they become 'suggestible'. It is also a way of breaking the candidates preconditions about reality itself. This is not peculiar to Masonry however...
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Originally posted by Arcane Demesne
Ok serisouly. This is no laughing matter. I didn't know there were beatings. Perhaps it was just the particular lodge?
I don't know much about the Prince Hall Affiliation. My Grand Lodge does not recognize Prince Hall organizations, and therefore I've never been inside a Prince Hall Lodge.
However, let me stress that regular Masonry does NOT practice hazing or beatings. The ceremonies of Freemasonry are artistic, colorful, beautiful, and intellectual.
If that Prince Hall Lodge was indeed to blame for that person's death, it is the duty of the Prince Hall Grand Master to publicly and privately renounce all forms of hazing, revoke the charter of the Lodge, and expel all of those involved. Criminal charges should also be filed.
[edit on 9-3-2006 by Masonic Light]
Originally posted by Damocles357
Reading the original article critically, something occurs to me: I thought that all PH lodges were in the US?
I wonder, then, why the poor soul was raised in Germany? He was in the military, as the story goes...so maybe he was initiated and passed in the States prior to deployment. But this isn't the way the news article will lead one to believe. It's interesting to notice that not only does the article vilify Masons, but also tries to imply a racial angle.