Stargates are real

reply to post by orazio


Hmm, I never really considered that but I think I have to go along with it to a certain extent. Our consciousnesses exist on a different plane, but our physical bodies are connected to them through the pineal gland. This connection is almost definitely a 'bridge' between two planes - a 'wormhole' which usually only opens up enough for the uploading of sensory info and downloading of instructions. Can some of us open it wider and "jump" through?

Double post. Sorry Beth.

[edit on 9/6/2010 by Teratoma]

reply to post by Teratoma


no problem. i'm having problems with your post. i both agree and disagree. it's a tough one. for example, when the gate is opened and the flying monstrosities wearing metal armor and making huge sounds, come out, how can that be likened to the pineal gland opening up? it doesn't make sense, ya know?

I don't fully disagree with you either, but I think what we're specifically looking at here is a physical gateway for physical bodies. I've never read of anyone seeing a spirit pass to another realm - that's just something you don't see with your physical eyes.
Don't get me wrong, I do agree with you, but not in this specific context.

I'd just like to remind ya'll that there's much more to reality than what you see, and our perspectives tend to be arbitrarily based on our 'observations'

The thing about this stargate concept is that it IS universal in nature. it IS omnipresent in nature, because we are talking about transcending space/time which is a matrix, a hologram, an illusion that is 'very real'. But when we step outside of the 'box' the laws of physical universe, we are entering a reality which is not confined by space/time we go by.

Ideas of stargates being purely an object/technology you make out of physical matter and elements, is impartial. You can do things via technology, and you can do things via consciousness.. the latter is often ridiculed and objected due only being able to support enough evidence from direct experience.. i mean, you can't show the nuts and bolts of something that is entirely energetic in nature.. (however, that is due to our society's general scientific acceptance which is truly in its infancy - e.g. it wasn't that long ago that scientists were teaching that atoms were the building blocks of ALL matter, and we know now that atoms are not the building blocks.) All of this science can be explained sound and solid, and without using layman's terms and estimation. It is that our scientific understanding, and spiritual understandings, are merging and we soon will realize that all science is spiritual, and visa-versa and by energetic I am being subtle, because this is how it works...
Consciousness > Light > Energy > Matter
This analogy shows different 'levels' of what make up our reality, ultimately.. all matter is energy, and all energy is light, and all light is ultimately - consciousness. If this type of science is nothing but hokus pokus to you, perhaps I could explain it better using more familiar terms.. but this is not made up mumbo jumbo.
Technology could be seen as using matter & energy, while Consciousness uses, well consciousness & light.
The 'inner stargate' utilizes Light from the Source of Creation (That I AM, you are, we are all in nature, eternal beings of the Source, Light beings)
The thing is stargate technology exist as tools, for instance, the ancient stargates we might be discussing in this thread. But what a stargate is then becomes a term and nothing more, to describe a specific tool. The term stargate in its whole, is actually a wider umbrella term. When you understand the omnipresent multidimensional nature of your very being, you see that we are all walking avatars, eternal beings taking form as biological 'stargates' one could artistically envision. This is not far from being true, in a strange but sacred and divine way.

Peace, and Id love to expand because I have lots of info to share from my experiences on many subjects.


[edit on 6-9-2010 by orazio]

reply to post by undo


Well, this is very closely related to the way I look at our 'physical realm' in comparison to to the fuller spectrum of the 'multiverse'. I hope I can articulate...

In our current suits, we have 5 senses, and it's hard to even imagine more. but what if there's really 5,000? What if the number of ways something can truly be 'sensed' is infinite?

What I'm getting at is that we are like a person who grew up inside a box, the only opening being a small hole for feeding and waste removal. To this person, that hole is a huge part of his world - it's pretty much THE ONLY THING in it. He has no concept of the range of experience he could have "outside the box", in fact, the very concept of "outside the box" is abstract.

My point is that we can only comprehend what's coming through the gate as we see it materialize on our side of the event horizon.

Originally posted by undowhen the gate is opened and the flying monstrosities wearing metal armor and making huge sounds, come out, how can that be likened to the pineal gland opening up?

I think it's because "everything" comes from outside. The real you - your soul - exists in a realm much more similar to the one that those flying armored guys are from than this one. This one is mostly just a "simulation", for lack of a better concept - a channel - with a very limited input/output protocol. Our true selves control us like puppets or avatars in a video game, but I imagine more complicated bits of info and energy can interact with this realm. Why not enough to pass your physical self through? And why stop there? By the same properties one could pass an army of armored goons through, if they knew how to tune the energy just right they could materialize anything.

reply to post by Teratoma


again, i both agree and disagree, which is really an uncomfortable position to have. if the gate is IN the individual, doesn't that mean it requires an individual on this side (et. al, in the physical realm) to manifest itself in? you see where this is going? at one point we're talking about our true selves manipulating our physical selves on this side of the encounter. and on the other point, we're talking about beings outside our experience in the encounter suit, physically manifesting in physical reality. what are they going to manifest in?

reply to post by undo


read my post above, you are touching on the ideas of incarnation. that is verry simply put; spirit becoming matter. The universe is vast, and life forms do not take on solely physical biology, as that is one category of many forms of life that exists. However, all physical biology is connected via source to a higher form of consciousness.. again, the analogy I showed.. Matter is ultimately consciousness. And all matter is influenced by thought/intention. The reason for everything that exists is because of an intention/consciousness.

reply to post by undo


The pineal gland is the "DHD". Somewhere in our physiology a tiny 'wormhole' opens and a two-way data stream connects with the outside.

The only similarity is that a connection is made from inner to outer. The portals that send and receive solid matter are the same, just with an incredibly higher "bandwidth".

This is what I got from orazio's post about the 'inner stargate' - he seemed to be suggesting that it could be used for more than just meat-puppetry, so I mused that one with a fuller understanding of their connection to the multiverse might be able to 'spontaneously' teleport. A concept I poopooed until he explained it the way he did.

I'm not saying I totally believe it either, I just think it's an interesting concept worth exploring.

well i see no reason for them to be described as covered in metal armor if they are not covered in metal armor. ya know?


sorta like this thing


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[edit on 6-9-2010 by undo]

Is it so difficult to imagine simple physical transport of physical objects over vast distances using wormholes? As Undo said, there's really no reason to describe something in a certain way if it isn't a certain way - if something seemingly physical popped through a stabilized wormhole, and seemed to affect physical objects using physical force, why must it be any more complicated than that? We're here in this "meat puppet" universe for a reason. We're limited to our 5 senses for a reason. I believe that reason is so that we can experience this fully physical universe, solely using those 5 senses.
Think of it this way. Sure I could go play tennis/table tennis/basketball or whatever other sport, but sometimes I like to go do so in a virtual world created by someone else, i.e. a video game. It's a physical system, made of purely physical materials, with limited sensory feedback. Even if I had some amazingly awesome virtual reality system with haptic feedback and scent and taste feedback mechanisms, I'd still want to go back sometimes to that NES or Playstation. I don't know whether it's for the same sort of reasons that we chose (that's what I think anyway) to be here, bound to a physical body, but I know that we're here and we can't know anything else through this physical body but what the 5 senses allow us. I suspect that we chose to be so limited for a reason.
With that in mind, might we agree that there's really no way we're going to be able to truly know anything outside the physical whilst bound to these bodies? Thus, let's stick to what we CAN know.
(sorry, I don't mean to be rude, it's just that I don't like it when people jump way ahead of what's going on to something completely theoretical that we can't possibly know, based upon only personal experience). I do believe it exists, yes, and I also believe it's important. But I think the subject at hand pertains to the physical alone - that's what wormholes are. physical phenomena. They're a simple gravitational/temporal distortion in the physical dimensions of time and space - thus, in order to understand them from the perspective that we can know in our current state, we must consider them from that perspective.
The same would go for trying to deduce someone else's internal reaction to a social situation... it really isn't possible. We're restricted to our own senses and thoughts, and can't possibly feel the other person's senses/thoughts from our current perspective.

I don't mean to cause problems, I'm merely trying to understand a likely fully physical phenomenon from the very limited physical perspective of the human body and mind. Speaking from a perspective that we're restricted from whilst in this universe kind of bogs down the progress of the discussion.

Of course, this is simply my opinion, nothing more. All are entitled to their own, and this is mine, based upon my own observations - based on what I am able to know.

reply to post by undo


I don't see why it has to be 'either/or'. No one's disputing the possibility of using wormholes to send solid matter from point A to point B.

What I'm intrigued by is the idea that there is a constant one between my avatar and my 'real' self as well, doing the same thing, albeit on a much smaller level. This one is a natural function of my physiology. The ones that allow passage of solid matter (if they've ever existed) take more energy, but are probably the result of technology derived from the same concept.

ktorvalds: are you referring to me? If it seems like I'm having trouble imagining anything then you have misinterpreted what I'm saying. What I see is that we are all mostly in agreement here. I agree with almost everything you posted.

I disagree with you about the limitations you alone seem to want to impose on what "we can know" or discuss here. This kind of speculation is exactly what this place is for and this thread contains over 200 pages of it. It's not being derailed or bogged down in any way (at least not by people who actively engage in the discussion) just because you disagree with them.

reply to post by Teratoma


i guess i'm just having trouble understanding what you mean then. which isn't surprising. ye olde noodle is not always reliable.

what i found particularly interesting about this avenue of research is that it brings the stories in the bible and the rest of ancient history into a clarity and meaningfulness that it only hinted at before. what i mean is, it made them real, tangible, concrete realities, instead of simply metaphors and spiritual dimensions. the characters became real people. the objects became real objects. the places became real places. it's pretty darn interesting.



[edit on 7-9-2010 by undo]

reply to post by undo


My fault for not being able to articulate it well enough. It's pretty new to me though too - I only read it on the previous page when orazio posted it. Perhaps I'm going off on a mere tangent of what he was talking about, but I'll try to explain it this way:

1. I've always known (thought?) that our consciousnesses aren't 'tangible', and that they don't exist in the same 3-dimensional space that our bodies do.

2. I've never really given much thought to how exactly they were 'connected'

3. The notion of our sensory input being uploaded through a tiny, biological "stargate" makes as much sense as any. It has to "get" there somehow.

...Perhaps it's not a "wormhole" in the strictest sense of the word, but now I can't imagine the passage of anything - be it a simple, invisible stream of electrical pulses or a Cyborg Mecha-Destructo Spider Demon - from one part of the multiverse to another without it happening in a similar fashion. Then again, maybe it does function exactly the same way, just on a microscopic, undetectable level.

...Oh, and perhaps I should clear up another one of my theories:

I think that when a wormhole happens connecting point a (in our 3D space) & b (in our 3D space), it also 'connects' to a third place; the non-place in between. Let's call it "dimension N". I think that some wormholes connect between point a and other places that have more in common with 'Dimension N' than anywhere in 'our' universe that point b might be. I actually think that's much more likely.

I also think our 'true, light-being consciousnesses' exist in a place like that. So with that being said - I am now considering the concept of tiny, microscopic vortexes, physically happening inside each of us so that we have an 'always on' connection with the universe.

I lost my post. Pressed "backspace" accidentally when I wasn't focused on the textarea. I'll try to remember what I wrote....

I don't disagree with you about the spiritual stuff. It's just that I think what was described in the writings is a physical phenomenon controlled by physical technology within "3d" spacetime. With that in mind, I don't think that, if such technology does exist, we know enough about it to even understand its physical aspect - and if there is something beyond that, then I think we're jumping way ahead of ourselves if we're trying to consider how that something else would figure into the whole equation.

I think I articulated what I mean a bit better when I wrote it the first time.... damn the URL button! It stole my focus!!

Anyway, I find it funny that you should describe the connection between the physical body and the spirit body as a wormhole. If you read Robert Monroe's book "Journeys of the Mind", you'll notice he describes something that could be construed as such - he describes the feeling of being "sucked through a small, flexible tube". I've had far less than my fair share of OOBE's, but every one I have had, I remember this very sensation when returning to the body. It feels like being sucked through an "infinitely" flexible, nearly frictionless tube that is surrounded by slightly higher-than-normal pressure, rather viscous liquid. That's about the best I can describe it... it just feels really, REALLY weird. I wouldn't be surprised if others here have had OOBE's and could attest to such a feeling upon returning to the physical.
Actually, if anyone's interested, Robert Monroe founded this "school" I guess you'd call it, where they research this phenomenon: The Monroe Institute.

But ya I think we're far too early in our understanding of the physical to even know where to begin to align the spiritual aspect of this with our understanding. That's all - not saying it isn't there, just that it may be too early. Personally, I try to ignore that part altogether for now, until I can understand the other enough to KNOW there's something more to it.

Also, I was a bit... out of my element when I wrote that last post. Otherwise I would've kept it to myself.

hadn't dawned on me that oobes might require things of that nature. i had an oobe, but there was no tube experience at all. i just was sitting at my table one second and the next i was shooting up into space...without a space suit or ship. the after effects of that was the interesting part. i have a thread on the topic, i wrote a few years ago. can be seen in my profile/threads. the theory i had reached on what caused the event, was a huge, air force radar dome less than a block from my house. my theory was that somehow, my conscious mind just hitched a ride on the radar. you'd have to read the thread to know what i mean. here's the thread www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 8-9-2010 by undo]

Oh ya I read that one. I think that was because it was within this universe. I don't remember the sensation from either of those (I only had 2 within the present universe). But there's another (where we're really from maybe?) that it apparently takes some sort of a wormhole to get to - I've had 3 such journeys to date (never intentional - I've been as yet unable to travel there at will - but when I find myself there I am able to return). That's likely where the tales of fairies and gnomes and such come from - because in my experience, and that of others who have described it (at least the ones I've read), that other "universe" or "dimension" or whatever you want to call it is populated with such beings, and with animals that can talk plainly to us (or at least we can understand them while there, whereas whilst here in this universe, bound by the physical body, we cannot).

reply to post by undo


Um, yeah, that's right, you phased in. And living next to such a facility is begging for health problems!

I was sterile for over ten years after working on phased array. Nasty.

reply to post by Matyas


phased in ? explain if you would be so kind?
reminds me of something i saw on star trek.

reply to post by undo


Both your head and the radar are transmitters, right? And how does phased array work, they have individual transmitter elements with delay lines going to each one...so your delay line matched one of theirs for a short time. Distance also acts as a delay. Bet you could do it again.