Stargates are real

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by undo

 

I think finding an Orion alignment would not be that difficult, as you would need three somewhat evenly spaced pyramids with 1 being slightly out of line with the others. That seems to be something that is somewhat feasible if done on accident.

I find it striking that all these pyramids are flat on top. Unfinished, missing the "capstone" that we talked about in that other thread.

Yes, I guess you can find Orion alignments with the Chinese Pyramids, but that is particularly an Egyptian Alignment. The Chinese Pyramids are thought to depict three prominent constellations, the Tiger, the Dragon, and the Big Dipper, in their alignments.
As for the capstones, well I think that they were there at one time but they have been removed. During the 'Cultural Revolution' in China, lots of 'artifacts' and 'anomalies' were 'relocated', and said to never have existed, along with the scientists that cared for them.

Originally posted by undo
can you give me an overview?

The main thing to note is the ideas of the old systems as the contrast with other systems. He compares flat -Earth beliefs to center of the Universe beliefs, and to Earth circles Sun viewpoints. Those are written in more subtle throughout the book, yet he makes that obvious in the first few chapters. He applies Astro-Theology as he suggests, or tries to give evidence, that the constellations are exactly what God meant in the bible. He writes it as a lecture, as he appears to address it to people who think of Heaven as another reality instead of as Heaven as in the sky. The subtleness is that the reason people used to think Heaven as another reality is because of the flat-Earth beliefs where the sky wasn't seen as the universe, and when people literally thoughts the stars flew off the ground of the Earth and went over them and landed back on Earth again in the distance on the opposite side (remember, flat view not round).

Even today, people don't want to give up those flat-Earth beliefs. *wink*

I tried to write up a more elaborate overview awhile ago. I think it might be better to just retype it in plain text, as the OCR obviously doesn't work on that book.

Astro-Theology makes John (biblical) look like masonry rather than a prophet. The things John wrote about are no different than the alchemic stories of Ancient pagans. That was something the church doesn't want to accept, and the church rather say what John wrote about is entirely different.

Sorry about the typos in my last post, sometimes I don't even notice for awhile.

Peace & Love.

reply to post by dzonatas


the only problem i see with that is, many of the critics of the text, criticized it based on what the official position of the papacy was, not what the text actually says. just because pope so and so believed something or demanded everyone believe something, doesn't mean it's in the bible that way... afterall, he was the voice of god on earth, according to their religion.. when protestanism came along, they took with them some of the teachings of the papacy, so you still end up with official views of rome rather than what it actually says in the text. translation into english didn't help either, since the official views of rome that managed to survive protestant editorial, were hard coded into the concepts and word choices of the english translation.

most of what the papacy taught about the biblical texts was, for over a thousand years, only papal writ, papal opinion and papal "divine authority" based on what was convenient at the time of issuance, not actual words from the scripture. not that the papal authority didn't have any truth or wisdom, but rather that the two things are entirely different paradigms! you can't criticize the text based on the positions of rome.

addendum to above post: by the way, i firmly believe there hasn't been a righteous ruler or king on this planet for a very very long time. it isn't possible to rule and be righteous in this dispensation. the human condition and our current or past global situation, will not allow it. therefore, i believe every ruler on this planet today and over the past years, and for the remainder of this dispensation, is, by force of nature, incapable of righteous rule.

it isn't fair to the rest of the human population, to assume the actions of the rulers are the agreed upon edicts of the people. it's rare to see the two things merged, and when it does happen, there's usually a very bad but hidden motive driving it. remember this statement.




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Those sentiments are known, yet I think you put a good thought in there also to think about. One thing that stands out is the question if centralization of 'divine authority' was the plan or if if really comes forth as a decentralized network. The answer to that usually isn't answered at all, yet it usually is demanded or assumed.

It made me think, what does the papacy then and now think about a stargate. Did they even know what stars are?

This thread and related subjects have pretty much pointed towards texts. When we go to sources other than the texts, then the centralization/decentralization question arises even over the question about stars.


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that's a good question and it can end up waaaay off in left field.

for example, this gentleman named eric jon phelps, believes the vatican assassinated jfk. he has a huge list of everything he believes the vatican has done throughout history, and he claims that lately, the big kahuna there is the "black pope", who is not black as in dark skinned, but rather the leader of the jesuit order. the jesuits are the "military" arm of the vatican. he believes that this black pope is the leader of the known world, and that he pulls this off by using islam and communism to rid himself, the jesuit order and the vatican itself, of enemies, which typically include jews, zionists, protestants and other non-catholics. this way he keeps the catholic church's good name, shiny clean, while still managing to control the planet.

in fact, he thinks the jesuit order created communism for the purpose of keeping control of the atheists.

his theories are interesting but get so interconnected that it seems crazy. and he starts getting this wild-eyed hitler feel to him after awhile, especially when he starts accusing anyone who even remotely disagrees with him of being a vatican representative, meant to discredit him.

anyway, that's just one example. there are thousands.

here's an interview done with eric jon phelps by an alternative talk christian radio program. just press the little arrow button on the first interview...but be warned, he quotes names and figures so fast, you'd need a library to keep up with him

P.I.D. Radio 11/26/06: The Jesuits and the Assassination of JFK
www.pidradio.com...

consider- if even a tenth of what that guy says is true, the chances the papacy doesn't know about the gates, seems unlikely. how could they not? as regards the stars, this is where i point you to the interesting piece of "unverified" info that the hubble telescope is maintained and housed in a jesuit hospital, to protect it from prying eyes (cause you can't use scanning devices or similar tech near hospitals for fear of interfering with medical equipment and devices).

so i suppose if anyone would know at least something about the gates, it'd be the papacy.

hubble .......................!!!!


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Originally posted by undo
as regards the stars, this is where i point you to the interesting piece of "unverified" info that the hubble telescope is maintained and housed in a jesuit hospital, to protect it from prying eyes (cause you can't use scanning devices or similar tech near hospitals for fear of interfering with medical equipment and devices).

You mean the control center of the telescope?

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yeah. and that wheeling jesuit university in virginia controls the "national center of technology transfer." i was like ..what the heck is that. so i called them on the phone nice people, btw!

what they do is procure technologies from around the world and try to sell them to places like nasa, if i remember correctly. i guess you'd call them a sort of government contractor. i thought that was interesting. they keep tabs on new tech and if it sounds lucrative or dangerous, perhaps? they snag it up and contract it out or something like that, anyway.

i certainly didn't know the jesuits were even still around. i thought they were like some group from a few hundred years ago. lol guess not!

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I listened to about ten minutes of it and then I was lost. That's just mainly because I'm visual.

He started off on some good points, yet he kept a repeated statement of "X controls Y" type deal so easily, it is like.. how does X control Y, and why. I wondered if this was the same phelps that wrote about UFO and government conspiracies. I saved some text long time ago (by a phelps) that obviously contained encoded messages. The conspiracies story was just a cover to spark interest, and a study of the text revealed the encoded messages. I doubt I could find it now.

I liked the part in Religulous where Maher interviews the vatican members and gets thrown out. One stays with him to complete the interview. Notice how the vatican member is really down to Earth about the whole business of the Vatican -- more so than how most churches approach divinity and such works. He isn't the only member like that, as he even hints on typical 'holy rollers' doing their part in the vatican, which Maher seemed to almost interrupt (their act) before he was kicked out. If it wasn't for the guys down to Earth attitude, it would seem almost just like a mafia business. Of course the vatican members know it is an act, yet they continue to do such acts as part of their faith.

I'm not sure how that really gives credit to the papacy to actually know something about stars or gates. It seems like by FUD alone (what phelps did) would get someone to think their is some kind of hidden hierarchy. It would have to break the FUD barrier before that would get more credible.


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maybe, but seems to me that an institution that powerful would know alot more than they let on. rather than assuming they were stifling the advancement of science such as galileo's research, perhaps it was a case of not letting the cat out of the bag. as zorgon pointed out earlier, there were things about astronomy that no one but the initiated were supposed to know, even as early as babylon.

let's not forget that the biblical texts claim the earth is circular (the circle of the earth, they called it), not literally square with four corners. that's just compass directions. shoulda just said, four directions lol and the babylonian astronomers/astrologers seem to have known it as well. so i'm going to suggest to you now, that it isn't that ancient scientists? were that backward, it was that they were told not to reveal some facts about our universe and so they didn't....apparently.

maybe galileo was like the first whistle blower


about mr. phelps, i have a hard time following his info as well. personally, i think he started seeing hints everywhere. this happens sometimes when you research too much lol i know whereof i speak!

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There is no doubt that there were people who knew the Earth was round back when the flat-Earth paradigm was said to be dominant.

The alchemic stories and personifications allowed one to speak both to those who view the world with the flat-Earth paradigm and those who view teh world with the Galileo-paradigm. When someone mentions Draco, those that use the Galileo-paradigm knew they meant the stars while those the use the flat-Earth paradigm knew they meant some big horrible creature. So John went to say the dragon devoured the child (or tried), and those with the flat-Earth paradigm took that to mean some big horrible evil creature ate a woman's child, while those with the Galileo-paradigm took that to mean the movement of the stars.

Peace & Love

reply to post by dzonatas


and there's the other layers. as i mentioned, it isn't just an astronomy story and all the layers of it are equally important

They knew the earth was round EVEN before babylon and the bible



And I thought you all knew something.......

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i just know what i know, which ain't much. just trying to provide reason for why the RCC (roman catholic church) insisted the earth was the center of the universe and a flat square with 4 corners. they didn't believe that, especially if they read the bible, but that excuse is still used today to malign the biblical text, as if it were a very backward document, from a very backward people, who were so dumb they thought "the stars launched themselves from the flat earth, flew across the sky and landed on the other horizon at the end of the evening" (paraphrasing dzonatas)

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Originally posted by undo
reply to post by Mind1universe

 

i just know what i know, which ain't much. just trying to provide reason for why the RCC (roman catholic church) insisted the earth was the center of the universe and a flat square with 4 corners. they didn't believe that, especially if they read the bible, but that excuse is still used today to malign the biblical text, as if it were a very backward document, from a very backward people, who were so dumb they thought "the stars launched themselves from the flat earth, flew across the sky and landed on the other horizon at the end of the evening" (paraphrasing dzonatas)

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for time immemorial the initiated have with held info from the profane. Was the RCC "initiated" into the Mysteries? I don't know...but i would suspect that there were some in the church that were (and many who weren't, as they were evil men not welcome by the schools of the Esoteric).

Knowledge is power. Of course they knew the Earth was round, it is well documented in civilizations that predate Medieval Europe. Chris Columbus wasn't even Italian (or Spanish)...he was Scottish (where was the seat of Masonry during his lifetime? you guessed it...Scotland, where we still get The Scottish Rite).

The reason the RCC continued to proliferate ignorance is for the simple reason of knowledge=power. The same reason why Zorgon has to work so hard to find out what the DoD is doing.

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan


ever read alexander hislop's "Two Babylons"? he discusses all the similarities between the mystery religons and catholicism. i'm assuming by mystery religion he means "esoteric" religion. he's hard core though. you might want to forego reading the document as he assumes alot of things in a very unkind voice, but should you feel compelled to read it anyway, don't assume his position mirrors mine on every point.

i honestly don't think that approach is the one jesus would have me take to other people's beliefs because i clearly do not have all the information. i forget every so often, and have to be reminded (don't worry, one of the benefits of being a christian is your conscience reminds you conveniently and repeatedly when you've left the correct path, so me brain polices itself. i listen, i may not always make immediate correction but it's always on a bulleted todo list for immediate or "soon" attention. lol )

anyway, i think the point being that the older religions all seem to interconnect. this may relate back to the info about the divine council, the problem is, as a protestant leaning non denominational christian, i'm not privy to the kind of detail that would be necessary to define what a mystery religion is in total, and although authors like hislop are more than willing to tell us, i'd still need to hear it from the biblical texts, to be sure.

one of the problems i've encountered while learning so much about how the planet has been governed at the divine level is, i've also learned that there's a big gap between what we know about that level of governing and how it applies to us as human beings. it is then that jesus words about not bringing a railing accusation against satan, seems like good advice. i clearly don't know enough to make the decision as to what truly does characterize a mystery religion, but i do know enough about what to do and not do in my daily normal life.

what concerns me is when someone who claims to be initiated into the mysteries, defines the reason for not sharing knowledge with the "profane" as a decision made because the profane has been judged unworthy to have that knowledge. and that had they been better people, they would qualify for such knowledge. it sounds just like religion that requires work to receive heaven, but in this case heaven is replaced with enlightenment. if a similarity can be legitimately drawn in that instance, i'd be one depressed hombre

Do go on, very interesting read!

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hhehe. 200 and something pages later.

cute. um, i think i did go on, maybe too much.