Stargates are real

reply to post by starwarp2000


dake! ever read his work? in his book, god's plan for man, he discusses what he refers to as the angelic dispensation or the dispensation of the angels. he describes that very thing. in fact, he uses biblical texts to indicate this planet was the domain of one of the races of angels before we were ever here. i believe that race was the seraph (serpents/seraphim). clearly not all seraphim are bad or god wouldn't have them actively engaging in heavenly matters.

dake also discusses how the opening passages in genesis are talking about the earth becoming "chaotic" after it had already been created and that the "earth was not created tohu"

he also describes some of the first inhabitants as engaging in an interplanetary/interdimensional war, which is the one referenced in the downfall of the serpent. he believes there's indication the seraph of this planet went out and colonized the other planets and moons in the solar system before the war kicked off

posting to get it to page over.
see my post above

Originally posted by starwarp2000.
These creatures include DINOSAURS!!!!!

Hmmm so no room for Dinos on the ark

Very interesting idea... I will look at this closely... That one little change makes a very huge difference. I think that merits a new thread...

Also leads me to toss some questions at you but I will wait a bit since this is mainly Undo's thread... I just stuck my nose into it

reply to post by undo


Did you solve the issue with globat and the domain? If not call me tomorrow and lets get that fixed. Also send me a list of what you want protected the most and I will start a backup. I have 6 terabytes and barely use 250 gigs so far

reply to post by undo


Thanks for responding undo,

Yes, very interesting indeed. I hadn't heard of Dake but have checked out his book online.
What he says rings very true!!!!

Lucifer was on the throne of the Earth at that time. It would have taken him countless years to firstly turn against God and then turn the 1/3 of the angels in his charge against God as well.
During this time, i also believe that the angels on Earth colonized the other planets and even other star systems. The artifacts on Mars are probably from that era. They also probably tried their hand at creating their own race of "man' here on the Earth.
Later, after man inhabited the Earth, they were still active in this "interference" and took on human form and mated with human women. Hence the "Nephelim" references in the Bible.

After all these these things the Angels on Earth did, they attacked heaven!!!
The ensuing war resulted in the destruction and laying waste of the greater part of the Universe. Satan was cast down to Earth and remains on the throne of the Earth until Christ comes and claims it on his return.
He attacked heaven once again in this era, and was cast down forever.

We see references in Job that state he was allowed into heaven, at that time. In Revelation 12:9 (and others) we see that Satan is cast down forever.

I would love to go on and discuss your ideas on Stargates, and welcome any comments, suggestions or ideas that you may have.
This is a most interesting subject and I could talk for ever on it.

reply to post by zorgon


hi zorgon,

Yes, that one change in the verse from was to became shows that it became "waste and void" (tohu and bohu in the original Hebrew) as a "result" of the sins of the Angels. It is a causal verse and shows that Universal Sin has a consequence, in this case the destruction of the Earth's ecosystem. Later God destroyed the face of the Earth as a result of man's "Universal" Sins and then promised that he would never do this again. The next one will be by fire.

Yes start a thread by all means

Please fire away with your questions, always willing to respond.

reply to post by undo


Could these passages not also be metaphors and not literal? If so, it could be a metaphor for a comet or asteroid impact. Or maybe even a supervolcano or massive sudden flood. I am certainly not an expert on religious texts because I am non-religious. But it sounds alot like an ancient disaster similar to what may have done in the lost city of Atlantis. So it could also potentially tie into the stargate idea in that aspect.

-ChriS

reply to post by zorgon


The images also remind me of the idea of ancient egyptian artwork like the "Dendera lightbulb". Remember these images? (sorry if already posted).







An ancient egyptian light bulb would've probably been considered a holy object considering egyptian beliefs about the sun. Thus, the knowledge of the the technology involved would've been a closely-held secret known only by a few. That would've made it much easier for this technology to become lost forever until someone else re-discovered it. Within places like the great pyramid of Giza, heiroglyphs and other stonework seems to have taken place within in pitch black darkness. Yet no soot marks or anything remain that would suggest torches were used.

Then we have the curious case of the Baghdad battery which, if nothing else, is proof of concept that ancient people may have known about electrical power long before the electrochemical cell would later be rediscovered in the year 1800.

The Baghdad Battery, sometimes referred to as the Parthian Battery, is the common name for a number of artifacts created in Mesopotamia, possibly during the Parthian or Sassanid period (the early centuries AD). These jars were probably discovered in 1936 in the village of Khuyut Rabbou'a, near Baghdad, Iraq. These artifacts came to wider attention in 1938 when Wilhelm König, the German director of the National Museum of Iraq, found the objects in the museum's collections. In 1940, König published a paper speculating that they may have been galvanic cells, perhaps used for electroplating gold onto silver objects. This interpretation continues to be considered as at least a hypothetical possibility. If correct, the artifacts would predate Alessandro Volta's 1800 invention of the electrochemical cell by more than a millennium.

So maybe some of the Atlantians really did migrate to places like Africa and South America to teach some aspects of their technology. Why wouldn't it have been passed on to future generations? Civilizations in the ancient world were ransacked and wiped out without so much as a second thought. It's possible this knowledge just became lost to the ages.. OR maybe it is barricaded away in some ancient tomb still waiting to be discovered somewhere which would be pretty close to what Edgar Cayce described.

Natural disasters and war have wiped out many a society of the ancient world. If they all died off, their knowledge would've died with them unless they were somehow able to record some of their history. And even then, sometimes it's pretty difficult to tell what is metaphorical in nature and what is meant to be taken literally. Especially when you consider spiritual ideaologies in the thousands of years leading up to the birth of christ and how they evolved and changed over time which also complicates the process of deciphering things like heiroglyphs and symbolic/spiritual artwork. And that's even if you understand what the symbols really mean in the first place. Not all ancient cultures had their version of the "Rosetta Stone". It seems egypt is more the exception than the rule in this aspect.

The fire that burnt up the library of Alexandria might just have burnt up 1,000 years of technological knowhow. Especially when you consider archaeological artifacts like the Antikythera mechanism.




Or things like this..

A hammer included in a block of sandstone, discovered at Kingoodie, MyInfield in 1844 by the physicist David Brewster. The sandstone, dated by dr. A. W. Med of the British Geological Research Center, goes back to a period between 360 and 460 millions years.

Shell carved with a rudimental, nevertheless recognizable, human face that is on the external surface. As reported in 1881 by the geologist H. Stopes to the British Association for the Advancement of Science this shell of the formation Red Crag, in England, that belongs to the Pliocene, dates back to over two million years ago.

An ancient spark plug found encased in a geode?

The "geode of Coso", an ancient geode (a cavity of rock with walls covered with crystals) picked up near Olancha (California) in which a very strange object was found, made of metal and porcelain. In figure A we see the geode sectioned in two parts, in B the two halfs of the geode seen from the inside. The figure C is a frontal radiography of the object: there's a metallic structure, uncommon for a so ancient object (fossil shells encrusting its surface are at least half a million years old!). And finally, in D, two images of the metallic structure that appears in the interior of the geode of Coso in a lateral radiography.

Alot of this stuff just becomes alot more intriguing when you consider how much knowledge has been lost to the ages. We are still without a doubt a primitive society sofar as geologic/universal timescales. People say things like "well, if we really did have that technology back then, why isn't it being discovered?" .. It definately seems as though it is. And it's also possible alot of these discoveries are continuing and being suppressed. When you think about it, there's alot of potential reasons for this. Especially if technology being discovered is more advanced than some of our own.

Things like Stargates, for example.

Notice how alot of these afformentioned, bizarre artifacts were discovered by archaeologists and scientists generations ago. Why haven't more recent discoveries come to light? Really makes you wonder!

We are just so constantly reminded of how little we really know about the ancient world. And not surprisingly. Sometimes, all it takes to turn the scientific status quo on its head is ONE single, amazing discovery. I think this one fact is something mainstream scientists and archaeologists really don't like. Especially since people can end up spending most of their lives studying and believing things so adimantly only to be proven wrong.

-ChriS

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reply to post by zorgon


okee day.

this poor kid! thought i'd share this cause it brings to mind how much a relief it will be for all of us when the physical body is upgraded to the eternal body! i mean this kid is freakin' cute but you can feel his discomfort!

reply to post by starwarp2000


woot, yay, another person who knows what i'm talking about! i've been pondering all the references to the 1/3rd in prophecy and the bible in general. it's an interesting research trail. for example,

2/3rds of the angels didn't fall
1/3rd fell

2/3rds of gilgamesh was god
1/3rd was human

2/3rds of mankind will fall
1/3rd won't

there's clearly more information here that is either undiscovered because of language variation (english doesn't seem to translate hebrew very well) and/or cultural variation during translation.

the concept of "Fallen" is also an anomaly. a star falls and it turns out it's a "fallen" angel, yet it isn't a star/meteor/comet/etc, it's a "fallen" angelic being of some kind that proceeds to do things like open the bottomless pit, releasing some pretty alien sounding critters on the planet.

i've pondered the theories regarding the identity of the bottomless pit locusts. those are not bugs, in the literal sense. bugs don't wear metal armor!


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reply to post by BlasteR


well if you've read the thread, you know the theory is that the gate system on the earth was used in conjunction with the gate system on mars, destroying both civilizations at the same time -- one from too much water (the earth inherited mars water) and one from not enough water (mars water was dumped on the earth threw the gate system... puts a whole new spin on floodgates of the deep). THAT, however, doesn't discount other pieces of data such as a greenhouse canopy around the planet suddenly dissipating onto the earth, polar cap melt from massive pollution and bombardment from space debris.

part of the problem there is realizing that the ancient hebrews didn't differentiate earth from soil. and as you know, soil is pretty prevalent out there in the universe. to them, earth was solid ground you stood upon. coulda been literally on any other planet with liveable conditions and solid ground.

addendum: i'd also like to add a bit about the size of the planet at the time of the flood scenario. a gentleman by the name of neal adams, believes the earth and all the other planets/moons, grow in size, and that at the time of the dinosaurs, the planet we live on now, was quite a bit smaller. part of his rationale for that is gravity. he claims the gravity of the current size of the earth, couldn't support dinosaurs. their bones wouldn't be able to hold them erect as the gravity, due to the current size of the earth, would be too heavy. so the theory that they were wiped specifically due to a comet/asteroid catastrophe, may not be "precisely" true. it may be there was at one point, such a disaster but whether it signaled the end of the dinosaurs or not, is sketchy.

here's neal's video series on the topic. it's fascinating!
www.nealadams.com...

reply to post by undo


I'm sorry, been trying to enjoy the idea of 'stargates', but Neal Adams?? Gone too far.

His entire premise is nonsense, and a little critical thinking will show you why.

I'd think you'd want that bit of flotsam to not pollute your StarGate scenario. It's distracting.

reply to post by undo


I have heard the expanding Earth theory before and to me it seems quite feasible to me. It seems people either discount this theory, ignore it totally or do not know about it. For the people who discount the theory, I would really like to know the reasons why.

reply to post by AlienCarnage

For the people who discount the theory, I would really like to know the reasons why.

Simple. I alluded to a bit of rational thought and thinking on the subject should lead you to the conclusion that the "expanding Earth" is irrational, and here's why:

Where does all of the new mass needed for this "theory" to be viable come from???

The Earth is a three-dimensional spheroid. Think about it.

reply to post by weedwhacker


If there was water under the crust when the earth expanded, that would account for no need for as much more land mass, in that if there were one large continent with only a small amount of water on the surface before the water beneath the crust emptied on to the face of the earth, the land mass would break apart and start to separate, which can be seen if you match up the coast lines of the current continents, you would not need more land mass. The space once occupied by water could now be filled with a mixture of molten iron from the core and hot gasses.

I do not know about all of this, I only interpret what I read, but it still, to me sounds feasible.

reply to post by AlienCarnage

The space once occupied by water could now be filled with a mixture of molten iron from the core and hot gasses.

Can you still not see the illogic, even after what you wrote there?

Liquid water would not have existed "under the crust" in such quantities, especially since you agree that it is very hot down there, hot enough to melt iron!

BUT, even taking the rest of your post, you say water from below broke out on top, and Earth expanded to make room for the water between the continents?? (Well, not you, but you're referring to the Neal Adams "theory")

Umm....what do you think is below the oceans?

Look --- the science of plate tectonics, the measurements recently using GPS of plate movements, the evidence of subduction and uplift seen by many disciplines of science --- totally refute anything Neal Adams has to say.

A little background into Neal Adams and his credentials is warranted:

Neal Adams

Neal Adams


Born June 12, 1941 (1941-06-12) (age 68)
Governors Island, Manhattan, New York City

Penciller, Inker, Writer, Editor, Publisher

Notable works
Batman
Green Lantern/Green Arrow
X-Men
Deadman

Awards

Best Individual Story (1970 and 1971, with Dennis O'Neil)
Best Pencil Artist (Dramatic Division) (1970)
_______________
Neal Adams (born June 12, 1941, Governors Island, Manhattan, New York City) is an American comic book and commercial artist best known helping to create some of the definitive modern imagery of the DC Comics characters Superman, Batman and Green Arrow among others.

en.wikipedia.org...

Need we say more?



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reply to post by starwarp2000


It sounds like you've read G.H.Pember's "Earth's Earliest Ages". He also makes the connection that the word in Genesis referring to the earth "was" void is translated "became" in most other places in the bible where it is used.

It was a fascinating read up until about chapter 12 and then it just got too far out to continue. He began getting into mysticism and strange "spirituality" that, at the time, I just couldn't fathom. May have to go back and re-read it.

Originally posted by BlasteR
The images also remind me of the idea of ancient egyptian artwork like the "Dendera lightbulb". Remember these images? (sorry if already posted).

There is one thing that I like to show the skeptics who say..."No way is this a 'light bulb' :

Well one way to test that is to make one....

On the basis of this picture...



...engineer W. Garn constructed a working device which indeed gave some light. In the book of Krassa/Habeck we find he following sketch and description:

Zeichnung Garn-Birne

"If we evacuate a glass bulb with two metal parts reaching into it (B), (C), we can see a discharge at much lower levels, depending on the size of the glass balloon (D). At a pressure of about 40 t (tonnes) (40 mm of mercury) a snakelike light filament meanders from one metal part to the other (E). If we evacuate further, the light filament grows wider until it fills the whole glass balloon. This is exactly what we see in on the pictures in the subterranean chambers of the Hathor sanctuary."

Source: Krassa/Habeck; Das Licht der Pharaonen, Herbig 1992, p. 239

REAL PLAYER video clip

Originally posted by weedwhacker
Liquid water would not have existed "under the crust" in such quantities, especially since you agree that it is very hot doen there, hot enough to melt iron!

Always so sure of your theories eh Whacky?

Huge Underground "Ocean" Found Beneath Asia

A giant blob of water the size of the Arctic Ocean has been discovered hundreds of miles beneath eastern Asia, scientists report.



Caption
A map depicts large areas of wet underground rock (shown in red) as detected by seismic waves. Scientists studying these waves discovered a giant "ocean" of water under east Asia that contains about as much water as the Arctic Ocean.

news.nationalgeographic.com...

This is the water under the USA (the first level, closest to the surface)



San Joaquin Valley sinking because they are puping out to much water



Image from USGS, 1977
They say a picture is worth a thousand words. This illustration shows how much the Valley sank from 1925 to 1977. The photograph above illustrates subsidence in the San Joaquin Valley, California. In the photo, USGS scientist, Joe Poland shows subsidence between 1925 and 1977 due to fluid withdrawal and soil consolidation



The USA in parts is literally FLOATING on this water..

Long Beach California...

The water under long beach has oil on top. As the pumped out the oil the city of Long Beach sank 26 feet

Any one that has ever visited Long Beach California has seen the oil pumps all over the city, near the beaches and even in the port. Where is all this oil coming from? Those very underground chambers mentioned above.

In the late 1930s, oil was discovered under Long Beach harbor. Its production helped Long Beach recover from the Depression and provided revenue to support expansion and modernization of the harbor as well as enriching individuals who owned land in the area. As a result when land near the oil field began to sink, those who were profiting from pumping the oil out from under the land resisted any suggestion that there could be a link between oil production and subsidence. They hired experts to defend their position. As the subsidence continued, those whose property was damaged by the sinking, but who were not benefiting from the oil production, hired experts to determine what was really causing the sinking.

While the controversy continued, the land kept sinking. It sunk like a big bowl and the bottom of the bowl was more than 25 feet below its previous elevation. Some warned that if the sinking continued, the ocean might inundate the city. The Navy Shipyard was near the bottom of the bowl and the Navy didn't own the mineral rights of the Shipyard so they were suffering damage but receiving no benefit so in 1958 the Navy sued all of the oil operators. Although the suit was never litigated or settled, it helped to convince many people that a proposed solution, pumping water into the fault blocks where the oil had been taken out, should be implemented. And that solution stopped the sinking.

The production of oil from under the harbor led geologists to explore the area under the tidelands and submerged lands off Long Beach and oil was discovered to be there as well. This discovery led to a struggle between the city, to whom the state had granted the tidelands in 1911, and the state and federal governments over control of the oil revenue. Eventually the state and city were forced to divide the money.

salticid.nmc.csulb.edu...

No then, don't you ever get tired of being wrong and spreading disinfo?

The Earth is like a porous sponge... water everywhere interconnected by caves and underwater passages big enough for submarines in some places