When will the U.S. pull out of Iraq?

Now that Iran has clearly blamed US for the attack on holy shrine, I don't think US will last long in Iraq.

US will not be able to handle Moqtada Sadr as well as Zarqawi.

Well you never know, maybe there will be someone kicking us out. Or maybe adolf may bankrupt the nation and that's it...

There is intrest, It's oil, united states will never leave.
Thats why they are there in the first place, north corea is much dangeros, to it's people and to others ,why hevent they freed them?
I think any way leaving now would compromise the iraqy people so it's good any way from a point of view that they stay.
I think the iraqy people blame the U.S for what hapen with them but at the same time want U.S forces to stay for protection.
I think they rather have the US military in stead of radical forces.
United States is doing good involuntary by staying in iraq, while robing iraq of OIL they do offer protection.
It's like food for OIL program another rip off, sort of that.

Originally posted by pepsi78
There is intrest, It's oil, united states will never leave.
Thats why they are there in the first place, north corea is much dangeros, to it's people and to others ,why hevent they freed them?
I think any way leaving now would compromise the iraqy people so it's good any way from a point of view that they stay.
I think the iraqy people blame the U.S for what hapen with them but at the same time want U.S forces to stay for protection.
I think they rather have the US military in stead of radical forces.
United States is doing good involuntary by staying in iraq, while robing iraq of OIL they do offer protection.
It's like food for OIL program another rip off, sort of that.

Are we pumping any oil now? I don't hear much on this oil except that the pipeline keeps getting blown up.

The GIs will leave once American influence and the puppet government established a strong hold of Iraq. But under current circumstances it seemed like it would take quite a while, supposingly way out of Bush's original calculation.

Sun Matrix posted: "Are we pumping any oil now? I don't hear much on this oil except that the pipeline keeps getting blown up."

Exactly, pipelines are being blown up by the Arabs because everyone knows that they were what the Americans really came for.

[edit on 27-2-2006 by EarthUnificationFrontier]

Violence Clouds Exit Strategy

Washington insists Iraq is making progress on the security, political and economic fronts progress despite the violence sweeping the battered country nearly three years after the invasion to oust Saddam Hussein.

But the Americans showed signs of increasing impatience after last week's bombing of a holy Shiite shrine unleashed clashes that left at least 119 people dead since Wednesday and fueled fears of a Shiite-Sunni civil war.

I don't know how we can stay much longer. Bush has said that Iraqis have a critical choice right now to live in "sectarian bloodshed" or democracy, and it appears they are choosing what they know.

How long can we deny what is right in front of our face? Iraq is falling completely apart. I feel bad for those who continue to deny the obvious and still have hope that we can pull this thing out, because I don't think that's going to happen.

We've been hanging on by our fingertips for the past year as it is. With the cartoon fiasco and then the mosque bomings right on top of it, I don't think it's salvageable.

Call me a cut-n-run advocate, but yeah, I think we ought to get out while we still have some people to get out.

The USA never leaves unless it is forced out. It doesn't look like the they can hold a monopoly on the violence in Iraq, and neither can the occupational government. So at some point, the USA will eventually leave. It depends entirely upon the insurgency booting them out though.

[edit on 27-2-2006 by heelstone]

Its ironic, people say Americans can only leave if somehow we suffered heavily casualties or that oil is runned out. How about the American troop withdrawal from Saudi Arabia? Im surprise nobody mentioned that. And we didnt suffered heavy casualties to leave. Not to mention that the Saudis still export oil which means they havent run out yet. How come we didnt stay?

Very good point.

Me thinks the fact that the oil flows fine out of SA is the main reason we play nice now. Iraq wouldnt play nice, so here we are...in a mess that should be eased out of. I am with BH here. Cut and run. Cut and run. America fights, America makes more enemies. Its not quantum physics. Its very simple. I have said it a million times: You cant force a new way of life on people, even if it is better, unless they want it. They have make it pretty obvious that they do not want it. They would rather fight eachother.

Let's rephrase the question...

We really need to get out of Germany. It's 1948 and we have been there for 3 years after the end of hostilities and it is costing us lives and money.

Why are we arguing cost? It has nothing to do with this war. We are there and losing men almost daily. But we are, dare I say it, strangling the life out of the insurgency and the iraqis themselves are changing. Slowly but there are changing. The Mosque bombing was meant to start the civil war. It came close but it didn't. There is light.

Originally posted by crmanager
We really need to get out of Germany. It's 1948 and we have been there for 3 years after the end of hostilities and it is costing us lives and money.

Hey, if the hostilities in Iraq were ended or even showing signs of letting off, I'd be advicating staying and helping. But they're only escalating! It's getting worse and worse every month.

But we are, dare I say it, strangling the life out of the insurgency and the iraqis themselves are changing.

I see NO indication of either of these statements. In fact, the 'insurgency' continues and grows and the Iraqis are killing each other like ravaging animals!

The Mosque bombing was meant to start the civil war. It came close but it didn't.

Where are you getting your information? It's only been days since it happened. Bloody, gory, violent days.

I hope you're right, but from my view they're just getting warmed up.

When Will The U.S. Pull Out of Iraq? Here’s my take. The next election is November 7, 2006. Public campaigning will begin in earnest about 120 days earlier. Say in July. Most Americans support war to defend the country, but our support for foreign adventures is much less certain. That depends on success on the battlefield. Otherwise, our patience runs thin.

I was alive and well when the Tet Offensive of January, 1968, brought down Lyndon Johnson. I don’t know the exact number of Americans killed in Iraq as of today, nor the number of Iraqis we have killed. Unless some catastrophe like Beirut happens to us, we’re pretty much inured to day to day casualty reports at the present level.

PREDICTION. On July 1, 2006, based purely on political necessity, I believe the Bush Administration will announce the first withdrawal of American forces beginning August 15, and to continue at a low rate - say 1,500 men and women a month - until the end of 2007, when the remaining forces will be moved to Yemen and Bulgaria in equal numbers. There will be the usual hoopla of another MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. Whether this maneuver will be sufficient to get the Republicans safely through the fall election will be up to the voters. I believe the GOP will be satisfied if they hold House losses to 10 seats, and Senate losses to 1 or 2 seats. That’s me.

Don, I think your wrong, and the people who think the US can stay in Iraq "forever" are wrong too; The US cannot stay for ever at $10billion a month and record deficits piled onto debt each year, they will need to end the expense in the next few years..

the problem with Don's scenario is that it assumes there won't be total chaos on the ground in Iraq as the US slowly lowers boots on the ground..that has yet to be scene, just recently the US 'experimented' by lowering their numbers in Iraq to 130,000 only to be forced to raise them again to 140,000..after the situation in Falluja deteriorated and their bases in Ramadi coming under increased mortar fire. The US will have to make a decision to rapidly withdraw forces leaving the country to militias that will take over on the streets

I am very much against the deficit financing of our government. For at least three reasons. 1) It amounts to a shift in the tax burden from higher rate payers to lower rate payers. That is, each dollar borrowed is a dollar “saved” by the higher rate payers because debt is assumed by ALL the taxpayers. 2) As foreign countries hold more of our “paper” we are less and less able to take positions antithetical to the interest of those countries, lest they call in our paper. 3) Spending “on the cuff” is much less painful than “pay as you go” spending. Large Federal debt is not felt immediately. The $10B a month you mention being spent in Iraq is meaningless to the ordinary taxpayer. How is he or she to know that 10-20 years out there will be less money available to educate his or her grand-children so they may end up at a competitive disadvantage to better educated children in China and India? I believe the U.S. setting a date certain to leave Iraq will have a salutary effect on the “good” Iraqis and will tend to reduce the subtle support the “bad” Iraqis and others are receiving today.

Benevolent Heretic Posted: "How long can we deny what is right in front of our face? Iraq is falling apart. I feel bad for those who deny the obvious and hope we can pull this out because I don't think that's going to happen . . With the cartoon fiasco and the mosque bombings right on top of it, I don't think it's salvageable . . Call me a cut-n-run . . but I think we ought to get out while we have people to get out.” [Edited by Don W]

AGREED, B/H. They way I see it, WHAT do we stand to gain by staying? Will conditions get better? Will democracy spring forth in full bloom at some mysterious point down the road? In other words, what right do we have to think Iraq will get better if we stay? Did we not say this same thing in Vietnam? From 1968 to 1974. 20,000 dead GIs and 1 million killed Vietnamese. Do we ever learn?

[edit on 2/27/2006 by donwhite]

Don,
I agree, but the raison d etre of the US of A invading Iraq was basically three-fold:

1. To spread American style 'democracy' in the oil rich Middle East so that they have puppet governments who would bend over backwards to accommodate the policies of the USA especially concerning oil.

2. To directly control the oil industry in the Middle East to help American oil conglomerates to have all their hands in the till. This would give the Americans energy and financial security.

3. To ensure that Middle Eastern oil is always traded in Dollars and not the Euros for obvious reasons.

So, to say that the Americans will cut and run and declare Mission Accomplished is highly unlikely. The stakes are too high. And then the ordinary Americans will ask why 2400 soldiers have been killed. Just to doff your hat to the Iraqis and say, 'thank you guys. This was one heck of a ride' ?

All this, apart from the bruised egos of the neo-cons which would result as a consequence.




[edit on 28-2-2006 by mikesingh]

Originally posted by deltaboy
Its ironic, people say Americans can only leave if somehow we suffered heavily casualties or that oil is runned out. How about the American troop withdrawal from Saudi Arabia?

Excuse me baby. But US forces only pulled out of Saudi after 9/11 attacks.

One of Mr Bin Laden grienvences to Mr Bush was to get his ass out of Muslim Holy land.

Within 6 month Mr President obliged.

US did not pull out. The terror threat forced it out.

That is the sad historical fact.

mikesingh: I agree [except] the raison d etre the US of A invaded Iraq was three-fold: 1. To spread American style 'democracy' in the oil rich Middle East . . 2. To directly control the oil industry in the Middle East . . 3. To ensure Middle East oil is always traded in Dollars and not Euros . .to say America will cut and run is unlikely . . the stakes are too high . . ordinary Americans will ask why 2400 soldiers have been killed . . apart from the bruised egos of the neo-cons . . “ [Edited by Don W]

AS to 1., I’m pretty sure the Administration has given up on “democracy American style.” Ours is still - after 200 years - a work in progress. Back to Iraq. Just voting will be enough to satisfy the Admn now. We’d be happy to have a typical Latin American STRONG man we could call “mr president.” Like as in Diem in S. Vietnam or Rhee in S. Korea. Or as in Bush in the Patriot Act and Guantanamo Bay. 2. I’m not sure that ‘control’ is possible. Sure, our homegrown oil companies’ hammerlock control of the US market gives them access to the Persian Gulf oil. ‘Partners’ is about as high a level of acceptance infidels can hope for in Muslim oil fields. 3. Europe has real troubles ahead. Unable to pass a Constitution - France vetoed it - does not bode well for the European Union. Adding Turkey to the EU, which is a political necessity to prevent Turkey from aligning with the Russian Federation, is still going to be a big drag on the EU. Which already has Slovakia, and soon Serbia and so on. Germany and France are the “engines” of the EU. They may lose steam soon. As for American soldiers dying in vain, what’s new? When you’re young and want to go fight for your country, dying is the last thing you worry about. And geopolitics is not as much a concern as getting a 3 day pass.


quote: Originally posted by deltaboy: “Its ironic, people say Americans can only leave if somehow we suffered heavy casualties or the oil has run out.”
mr conspiracy: How about the American troop withdrawal from Saudi Arabia? Excuse me but US forces only pulled out of Saudi after 9/11 attacks. One of Mr Bin Laden grievances to Mr Bush was to get his ass out of Muslim Holy land. Within 6 months Mr President obliged. US did not pull out. The terror threat forced it out. That is the sad historical fact.” [Edited by Don W]

“EXIGENCIES” that is called. A word the military loves. You do what you have to do.

[edit on 2/28/2006 by donwhite]

The Americans think that we are in Iraq for oil. The Arabs think that we are in Iraq for oil.

Where is this oil. I have not seen one single report from the Iraqi oil fields.

The U.S. will eventually pull out with no oil.