There is only one Conspiracy...the Matrix has you.

Originally posted by jimmytango

- but what if God has given us each the power to smash the Matrix to bits? Wouldn't Jesus want us to harness this energy and undo the evil that this world has become?

hi. hahah sorry to butt in but sun knows how i am. but anyway, what if god has given us each the power to smash the matrix? he did. its a supernatural renewing of the mind thru a process of obedience. to be, what jesus called, born again. even the religious leaders of his time did not understand this and asked christ if this meant that we had to re-enter the womb. but it doenst mean that at all. this process is the exact replication of what christ did. he died. was buried. and rose again....then he ascended. how do we do this? this question was asked to peter on the day of pentecost (acts chapter 1).

"Then Peter said unto them, Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38)."

first part of this process is to repent. this is dieing to your sins just as jesus died for our sins.

the second part is to be baptized. when you are baptized you are fully imersed in the water, hence the burial of christ. and i belivie that we have to have the name Jesus applied at the baptizm...not the 'phrase' in the name of the father and of the son and of the holy spirit(catholic way to baptize) jesus is that name and should not be left out. thats the most important name...why leave that out. even peter said to be baptized in Jesus name. that is the name of all three.

third when you come up out of the water you will recieve your new life just as he did. all your past sins are washed away by humbleing yourself and doing this simple task he asks of us.

if you go this far then things start opening up to you. you start seeing things in this world just a little different. you start seeing the lies that this world is made of. you start seeing lucifers plan unfolding daily. and youll also understand where it all began and where its going. this is just the beginning.

by no means will sin cease to exist in your life. i think that when you take this step lucifer will notice this and put some pressure on you. more temptations. more chances to indulge in anything to satisfy your flesh. he's good. but you will also recieve the Spirit of Discernment that will give you an edge along with the most high right there by your side.


sorry guys. had to jump in. interesting convo.



[edit on 26-4-2006 by Funkydung]

[edit on 27-4-2006 by Funkydung]

sorry guys. had to jump in. interesting convo.

You need to jump in more Funky, you have made some excellent points

Hi all

I don't have much to say but I do have a question, one that I ask with all due respect:

We agree there is a Matrix, we believe it was put their by the NWO, Illuminati, Secret Societies - whatever you want to call them, yes? How old do you consider it? This is an important point - one I don't believe has been asked or answered.

I believe it to be at least 5000 years old. Not in the same manner by any means, but a matrix of control nonetheless. If you agree, what makes you think that the NWO would let the story of Jesus - the Son of GOD - get through, let alone live this long?

I appreciate where you are coming from, as Jesus had very many great messages, and is purported to be the Son of God, however it is for that precise reason that I think religion was THE most successful card ever played by the NWO. Remember only the rich could read and write back then - the power the 'lords' and their priests wielded was impressive indeed. What makes you think they would allow you to know that Jesus was the path to salvation?

Originally posted by jimmytango


We agree there is a Matrix, we believe it was put their by the NWO, Illuminati, Secret Societies - whatever you want to call them, yes? How old do you consider it? This is an important point - one I don't believe has been asked or answered.

i agree there is a matrix. i might ought to leave this for sun to answer...but just to let you know that he has already explained it. i know its a long thread, but if you go back and read it, the answer to this question is there. but for my short answer, the matrix or the lie that has been given to mankind was started by lucifer. how old is it? your pretty close...around 5000 years ago. the place, babylon. the father of the lie? lucifer...but at that time was known as nimrod the king of babylon. (sun feel free to correct me.) but ill leave the details for sun. thats where it gets interesting.

I believe it to be at least 5000 years old. Not in the same manner by any means, but a matrix of control nonetheless. If you agree, what makes you think that the NWO would let the story of Jesus - the Son of GOD - get through, let alone live this long?

not in the same manner...hmmm....i might disagree with that. your right about the control of the matrix, but the manner is basically the same. sun worship replaced son worship. its everywhere...all thru history. (again ill leave the details to sun)
the nwo and its leaders have no power over the most high. lucifer has to lie. thats the only way he can get mankind to follow him. the bigger the lie, the more widespread the lie, the longer the lie has been going on, the more beliveable it is. its been around for awhile and people at this point in history has definatly fallen for it. as far as the story of jesus. thats the will of "god." you cant mess with that. it always has gotten thru. and here we are talking about it.

I appreciate where you are coming from, as Jesus had very many great messages, and is purported to be the Son of God, however it is for that precise reason that I think religion was THE most successful card ever played by the NWO. Remember only the rich could read and write back then - the power the 'lords' and their priests wielded was impressive indeed. What makes you think they would allow you to know that Jesus was the path to salvation?

again if you read thru this thread, i think sun has mentioned at least 25 times that religion is part of the lie. even christ himself warned us of these false religions. there is even a religion called christianity in the world today. and i would dare to say that religion is possibly one of the false religions. i belive it has been tainted by lucifer himself and has deemed it the teachings of christ. the only way to know for sure? study the bible...christ said that you will know if they are with me by the fruits of thier spirit...what are those fruits? ha im not gonna make it easy for ya...but i will tell you its in the book of Galatians Chapter 5.

also, all religions that do no teach the power of the death, burial, and ressurection of christ, AND also...that christ was actually our creator...in human form, is part of the antichrist movement. and ive seen countless christian churches that do not teach this but call themselves followers of christ. they may be caught in the matrix...

jesus told us about these people in the book of matthew chapter 7



21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many deeds of power in your name?’ 23 Then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; go away from me, you evildoers.’

24“Everyone then who hears these words of mine and acts on them will be like a wise man who built his house on rock. 25 The rain fell, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on rock. 26 And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not act on them will be like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27 The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell--and great was its fall!”

28 Now when Jesus had finished saying these things, the crowds were astounded at his teaching, 29 for he taught them as one having authority, and not as their scribes .






[edit on 27-4-2006 by Funkydung]

We agree there is a Matrix, we believe it was put their by the NWO, Illuminati, Secret Societies - whatever you want to call them, yes? How old do you consider it? This is an important point - one I don't believe has been asked or answered. I believe it to be at least 5000 years old. Not in the same manner by any means, but a matrix of control nonetheless.

As you say, this is an extremely important point. You say that you think that the Matrix is at least 5000 years old? Can you link me to this information? Did it come from an Icke or Watt video?

We can track everything to Babylon, the origin place of the Matrix. I am very interested in this 5000 year timeline. If from a video, I would like to watch it.

The 5000 year timeline is incorrect, and is only another piece of the Matrix. It is a very important piece as you say, and I believe this is a recent Matrix addition. Try to remember where this belief came from. I will give you the details of why this is so important later.

Thanks,
Sun

sun when did the first babylon exist in history? i thought it was around 5000 years ago. around 2000 bc. am i wrong?

LOL, Funky, one of us isn't good at math, I hope it's you.

hmmm...hahaha what. its been a little over 2000 years since christ and 2000 give or take a few years before christ was when the city was built...doesnt that make it around 5000 years ago give or take? and then it was 2000 years before babylon that man was created. according to the bible a thousand years is as one day to god, and since its been pretty close to 7000 years we are in the 7th day of god. the last day. just thought id throw that last part in ha.

to those of you who read that last post noticed i said the creation of MAN...not the earth. BIG difference.

hmmm...hahaha what. its been a little over 2000 years since christ and 2000 give or take a few years before christ was when the city was built...doesnt that make it around 5000 years ago give or take?

I make that 4000 give or take.

ahhh....freggin public schools! btw i thought id get a little more from ya on the 7000 year 7 day thing.

Figured we had better deal with the Math thing first.

Originally posted by Sun Matrix
As you say, this is an extremely important point. You say that you think that the Matrix is at least 5000 years old? Can you link me to this information? Did it come from an Icke or Watt video?

We can track everything to Babylon, the origin place of the Matrix. I am very interested in this 5000 year timeline. If from a video, I would like to watch it.

The 5000 year timeline is incorrect, and is only another piece of the Matrix. It is a very important piece as you say, and I believe this is a recent Matrix addition. Try to remember where this belief came from. I will give you the details of why this is so important later.

Thanks,
Sun

The 5000 year figure was off the top of my head - a safe estimate that is to say. It could be anywhere from millions of years old to 1000s of years old - I wouldn't claim to know for sure.

At this point in the discussion it's a moot point (but certainly one to follow-up) and I say that because I believe we agree that religion is a large part of the Matrix, and to me the bible is a large part of what makes up Christianity (a religion) and thus a massive piece of propaganda. As I mentioned previously I have a hard time accepting the bible as evidence of Jesus' exitence and his position as messiah. How is that you reference the bible to substantiate your belief in Jesus? Are you reading between the lines, taking it as a mix of allegory and fact, or simply as fact?

I appreciate your comments on the above and any you have to share on the age of the Matrix.

Jimmy,

You went from a timeline that is a very important point to a moot point. The timeline is very important.

In the movie, The Matrix, Neo takes the red pill of truth and is born again. Morpheus enters the room where he is sleeping and Neo says, "Where am I". Morpheus responds, "More important than where, WHEN".

The point Morpheus is making is that the Matrix is older than we realize. If you did a study on Nimrod and Semiramis, you will get all kinds of dates. Somewhere in the 2200 to 2000 B.C. timeline is the most likely time for the creation of the lie that blinds the world.

I have seen dates ranging from 3500 B.C. to 700 B.C. for Nimrod. You get the same smoke and mirrors when you look up Zoroaster, 1500 B.C. to born 628 B.C. Then you will find that they can actually date Zoroaster to even earlier times. Zoroaster is Nimrod, even thou there was a Zoroaster that came later. The Matrix at work, confuse the timeline, confuse history.

to me the bible is a large part of what makes up Christianity (a religion) and thus a massive piece of propaganda. As I mentioned previously I have a hard time accepting the bible as evidence of Jesus' exitence and his position as messiah. How is that you reference the bible to substantiate your belief in Jesus? Are you reading between the lines, taking it as a mix of allegory and fact, or simply as fact?

I think that you are missing the whole point of what is going on. Why do people all over the world follow religion that contains the sun god. Hindus, Buddist, Nazis, Catholics, Mormons, Masons and so on. Islam follows Allah, the moon god.

Satan knew that god would send his Son to save the world, so Satan became Baal, the sun god. The LORD.

God kept a people to himself, the Jews who were scattered all over the world and hunted down just as God said would happen, through the prophets. He also said that the Jews, even though they wrote the Old Testament, would not recognize the Messiah when he came but that they would reject him. All happened just as prophesied.

I am somewhat puzzled as to why you can't see Satans kingdom rising on the earth? What is the point of having control? They already control everything. They cause wars, famines, control supply, control prices, control government, control everything you learn, what more is there. This is all about the rise of Satans kingdom on earth. This is about your soul.

They have opened your eyes. They have fed you truth, and then you swallow the lie, the only thing that really matters. Jimmy, look past what they feed you, the answers are there.

keep going sun you have my attention the matrix is very evident and growing more complex as the time for the antichrist draws even closer


www.888c.com...

hay sun have a look at this guy's dream and tell me what you think!!

[edit on 2-5-2006 by the_sentinal]

Hi Sun

In saying the timeline was moot was to say that the age of the matrix had little to do with the question I had at hand. I am very interested in the ancient histories and the age of the matrix - I just didn't think the timing had much impact on the questions I had about the bible and Jesus (provided that the matrix was at least this old).

Originally posted by Sun Matrix

The point Morpheus is making is that the Matrix is older than we realize. If you did a study on Nimrod and Semiramis, you will get all kinds of dates. Somewhere in the 2200 to 2000 B.C. timeline is the most likely time for the creation of the lie that blinds the world.

I have seen dates ranging from 3500 B.C. to 700 B.C. for Nimrod. You get the same smoke and mirrors when you look up Zoroaster, 1500 B.C. to born 628 B.C. Then you will find that they can actually date Zoroaster to even earlier times. Zoroaster is Nimrod, even thou there was a Zoroaster that came later. The Matrix at work, confuse the timeline, confuse history.

I'm still researching (why are we RE-searching and not simply searching?), but I am prone to say that the matrix is much older than that. Confusing of the timeline I absolutely agree with - even modern-day archaelogists are uncovering new relics hinting that man is much older than we ever had guessed, and that 'civilization' akin to our level existed in the times of Sumer and previous.

Originally posted by Sun Matrix
I think that you are missing the whole point of what is going on. Why do people all over the world follow religion that contains the sun god. Hindus, Buddist, Nazis, Catholics, Mormons, Masons and so on. Islam follows Allah, the moon god.

Satan knew that god would send his Son to save the world, so Satan became Baal, the sun god. The LORD.

God kept a people to himself, the Jews who were scattered all over the world and hunted down just as God said would happen, through the prophets. He also said that the Jews, even though they wrote the Old Testament, would not recognize the Messiah when he came but that they would reject him. All happened just as prophesied.

Please help me understand - you agree that the matrix is centuries old (older than the bible), and that the control is wide-spread. What of the bible then? It had been left untouched in the matrix? A book of such power has somehow since its writing remained pure and unmolested? The issue I have is that a book that is so revered would either:

A) have been written by those of the matrix, to further enslave us in it; or
B) been hijacked to serve those who wish the matrix to flourish

I need to know how you came to the conclusion that the bible is a book worth having faith in. As an example I once thought the internet was a 'Godsend' to the people - instant dissemination of information would make it impossible for the powers that be to keep us in the dark any longer. Then I realized that if the internet couldn't be used to further their ends (dissemination of DIS-information, but primarily the ability to record and track every person's ideas via the World Wide WEB) then we wouldn't have it. This is how I view the bible - it is simply been shown to be too powerful not to be compromised.

I can see how Satan's kingdom has come to rule - I see the level of control that they have over our minds and bodies, over the past, present and future. If you have unwavering faith in the bible then I would say that it is you who has missed one of the greatest tentacles of the matrix, the denial of our God-given power to affect this world, without the self-constraint that God-worship puts upon us.

Originally posted by the_sentinal
keep going sun you have my attention the matrix is very evident and growing more complex as the time for the antichrist draws even closer

www.888c.com...

hay sun have a look at this guy's dream and tell me what you think!!

[edit on 2-5-2006 by the_sentinal]

Hey Sentinal,

I read your link.

I'm really not quite sure what to make of it with just one pass through. He says he saw no rapture??? He said only the dead rose. That does not agree with the Word.

1 Thessalonians 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

my guess on that was that the rapture happend with that event, he did not recognize it as such because he was an unbeliever at the time he had the dream. i definitly believe this was a prophetic dream in that he woke up read the first 4 chapters of revalations then went back to sleep and the dream started exactly where it left off .....i've never heard of that ever happening to anyone before have you??

i apoloigize sun for butting in between you & jimmytango i wasnt really focused on the last couple of pages till after i posted...you guy's are really getting to the meat of the word of god no doubt... one question though where can i listen to this david icke guy??? and what is the lie he's floating??? ...i downloaded some coast 2 coast broadcast's with him on there but havent heard enough yet to form an opinion

but man what callers call in to that broadcast i never knew just how many people the devil has touched with his deceptive power, craziest things i've ever heard...i heard one lady who was inpregnated by a demon

i know that's gross but these thing's are actually happening to people out there. satan is truely the god of this world ..............but not for long!!!

P.S. keep spreding that light

[edit on 3-5-2006 by the_sentinal]

Originally posted by Funkydung
when you are baptized you are fully imersed in the water, hence the burial of christ. and i belivie that we have to have the name Jesus applied at the baptizm...not the 'phrase' in the name of the father and of the son and of the holy spirit(catholic way to baptize) jesus is that name and should not be left out. thats the most important

[edit on 27-4-2006 by Funkydung]

I believe that EXACTLY, but I run into alot of friction among christians when in comes to baptism in the name of Jesus.