There is only one Conspiracy...the Matrix has you.

How did Jesus death take away mankinds sins? Why would God require blood sacrifice?

God required a blood sacrifice because he gave man a blood covenant. The covenant was that the shed blood of an animal would atone for the sins of a man. The penality for sin is death, so the death of the animal was substituted for the death of the man.

2 Chronicles 29: 24 The priests then slaughtered the goats and presented their blood on the altar for a sin offering to atone for all Israel, because the king had ordered the burnt offering and the sin offering for all Israel.

Hebrews 9:20 "THIS IS THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT WHICH GOD COMMANDED YOU." 21 And in the same way he sprinkled both the tabernacle and all the vessels of the ministry with the blood. 22 And according to the Law, one may almost say, all things are cleansed with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

Jesus was the perfect sacrifice to show the love of the Father for the world. When the Jews were in Egypt, the final plague that the Egyptians suffered was the death of their first born. The Jews were instructed to kill a lamb and sprinkle the blood over their door posts and the Death Angel would pass over them and their first born would not be killed. This is still practiced today and is known as the feast of the passover.

Jesus is the Passover Lamb. Jesus is the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. Jesus is the final sacrifice. Jesus is the Messiah that was prophesied, the savior. His resurection from the dead is victory over the death caused by sin.

As for your power in the blood question I'm not exactly sure of that expression. There is an expression, "There is life in the blood". I think you are referring to pleading the blood over a situation. You claim through the blood of Christ the victory over a situation.

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I tried really hard to feel Jesus in my heart and I never felt it.

Interestedalways,

This is a common problem. The solution however is quite easy. A Believer does not live by feelings or by what he/she sees, a believer lives by faith in the perfect Word of God. What does the Word say? Ask and you shall receive. God cannot lie.

Matthew 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: 8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened

Try this: Just ask God.

Spend some time with Him. Ask Him to show you the truth. Ask Him to reveal the truth of the Messiah. Accept the Messiah as your savior and ask Jesus to come into your life and heart. Repent or turn away from your sin. The key to your power is obedience. The key to your growth is the Word of God. How will you know how to overcome without knowledge? God says, "May people perish because of lack of knowledge". You obtain knowledge by reading the Word.

Once you have called out to God with all your heart and received the Messiah as your savior, you have salvation. It is a guaranteed free gift of God. Now you are a spiritual baby, with little knowledge, little power and little strength. You grow, you overcome by the blood of the lamb, you win victorys and suffer some defeats. Get up, ask forgiveness and go on. You are forgiven.

Go far enough and you will reach a place of no doubts. God will reveal himself to you. To get there, read the Bible. You will know for a fact the truth. You will have the power to overcome.

I have only talked of the Matrix in this thread basically. I have not covered anything about the life that you are guaranteed as a believer. There is a life that you are completely unaware of. This life allows you to bend and break the laws of the world that we live in. Want a sample of this life?

Just ask God. Ask and you will receive. Lesson 1. It will work, it is guaranteed. Don't go by what you see or feel, go by the truth.

Sun Matrix

It just sounds so simple and I feel that there is a big piece missing. Is Christianity even the same beliefs that Jesus wanted to teach us? Why are the stories in the Bible the stories that were told in earlier tellings? I have read Alice Bailey's Esoteric Christianity and at that time it made alot more sense than the Bible did. I just tried for a long time to satisfy my longing through Christianity and it doesn't seem to answer enough questions. I feel safe to hide under the Biblical umbrella and life works well for me when I identify God as he is portrayed in the Bible, but..... Well, I feel it is keeping me from real truth. You said that yourself, didn't you. What is the real truth? What about trans-substanciation?
What about the Fallen Angels?
What about lilith?
Why did Daniel find God in the land of pineal?
Is the third eye awakening a bridge to God?
What about the female principle when it comes to the Godhead?

It just sounds so simple and I feel that there is a big piece missing.

It is very simple. You must humble yourself before God and come to Him as a child comes to his father.

Mark10:15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.

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Originally posted by Sun Matrix

Originally posted by the_sentinal
let me take the time right now to thank you for your info on david icke that guy is putting forth some astounding truth but at the same time floating some major lies

Wonder what happened to the Icke forum? I notice it is gone, but I missed it if anything was announced.



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yea, it was announced that the forum was taken down because Mr. Icke never showed up to participate in it, he offered to do a podcast where he would answer questions instead of the whole forum thing but ATS declined that offer OHwell anyway went to church yesterday

Why are the stories in the Bible the stories that were told in earlier tellings?

That's what the Matrix is all about.

I just tried for a long time to satisfy my longing through Christianity and it doesn't seem to answer enough questions.

There is only one question that really matters. It answers that.

The good news is that we must have some kind of power within us that scares the Matrix managers for them to go to such lengths to control our thoughts and our lives. Perhaps the point of the Matrix has been to stifle that which is within us that could overcome their quest for perfection and ultimate control.

Their purpose is to bring Satans kingdom, the New World Order to power. The Matrix is about control of your soul. In your lifetime you will have to choose: Allegiance to the leader of the NWO and a mark or death, unless of course you are raptured.

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The fact that you, Sun Matrix, actually believe in a rapture-concept proves to me that you probably don't know what you're talking about. You explain the relationship between us and "God" as one between a child and a father. I'd say it's more like a child and his faery-tale books. To blindly and unquestionably following something so undivine as a blood-soaked Bible is contrary to our true purpose and potential. You seem to be caught in the same matrix you warn others of.

Originally posted by interestedalways
Sun Matrix
It just sounds so simple and I feel that there is a big piece missing. Is Christianity even the same beliefs that Jesus wanted to teach us? What is the real truth? What about trans-substanciation?
What about the Fallen Angels?
What about lilith?
Why did Daniel find God in the land of pineal?
Is the third eye awakening a bridge to God?
What about the female principle when it comes to the Godhead?

Christianity is not what I got from what I read were the teachings of Jesus. I feel the real truth is a misnomer, because individuals all have slightly different real truths. How could it be the same for anyone, when I can never know your past life lessons and vice versa. I believe in a basic absolute ethics, common to all people, that there is a difference between good and bad, right and wrong, love and hate, etc. In theory there is no such thing, but we don't live in theory. In practice, good deeds and misdeeds are real, imo. The Wiccan 'An it harm none, do what thou wilt.' is the best description of what I mean. There are others, ie. the golden rule. I believe in spirits, angels, etc., for my own reasons, but have no need to convince others to believe me. My questions about Bible verses are many and my opinions are quite unique, and based on much reading and study. I wonder why 'Lucifer', who is the 'light bringer or giver', and the serpent, who 'enlightened' the original couple, and the 'Illuminati', today's mysterious evil cabal... are all associated with light? Jesus is called the light of the world, and the light is said to be good, so what gives? And whats wrong with dark? The darkness of night comforts me, and black is the colour of the clothing of priests, judges, lawyers, police officers, and formal wear for important events such as funerals, black-tie dinners, etc. So why is black used to symbolize authority, law, formality, and importance, while the devil is called the 'son of the dawn', and associated with light?
Without darkness, can light exist? Without light, how would one know what darkness was? The matrix is a well done, but imo, fictional creation. It does, however, help to understand the transigence of matter, and permanence of spirit, imo.

BlackGaurd
You stated your questions are many, (as are mine) and your opinions unique. Would you share any of your opinions? The word light is used frequently and it does cause confusion for me. For instance "God is Light" and "Let thine eye be single and thy body will be filled with Light" "Jesus is the Light of the world" "Let your Light shine" It almost seems Light could mean wisdom which would lead to Sophia and also Baphomet which once again contradicts tradition.
What do you suppose Light means used in these instances. And of course we all know that Lucifer was the brightest Angel in heaven. And last but not least would someone explain Cosmic Fire, or Divine Flame?

Originally posted by firebat
The fact that you, Sun Matrix, actually believe in a rapture-concept proves to me that you probably don't know what you're talking about. You explain the relationship between us and "God" as one between a child and a father. I'd say it's more like a child and his faery-tale books. To blindly and unquestionably following something so undivine as a blood-soaked Bible is contrary to our true purpose and potential. You seem to be caught in the same matrix you warn others of.

how many times have you been thru this sun? still around and still reading. i still find humor in people who say these kinds of things. truthfully, i dont understand how people can make this comment if they know very little about the scriptures. if they only knew. but its cool. we are here to learn and i learn something everyday. its very complex and yet so simple. got to have that renewing of the mind or people will never see. and theres only one way to renew your mind and see the matrix.





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Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII

Originally posted by interestedalways
Sun Matrix
It just sounds so simple and I feel that there is a big piece missing. Is Christianity even the same beliefs that Jesus wanted to teach us? What is the real truth? What about trans-substanciation?
What about the Fallen Angels?
What about lilith?
Why did Daniel find God in the land of pineal?
Is the third eye awakening a bridge to God?
What about the female principle when it comes to the Godhead?

I wonder why 'Lucifer', who is the 'light bringer or giver', and the serpent, who 'enlightened' the original couple, and the 'Illuminati', today's mysterious evil cabal... are all associated with light? Jesus is called the light of the world, and the light is said to be good, so what gives? And whats wrong with dark? The darkness of night comforts me, and black is the colour of the clothing of priests, judges, lawyers, police officers, and formal wear for important events such as funerals, black-tie dinners, etc. So why is black used to symbolize authority, law, formality, and importance, while the devil is called the 'son of the dawn', and associated with light?
Without darkness, can light exist? Without light, how would one know what darkness was? The matrix is a well done, but imo, fictional creation. It does, however, help to understand the transigence of matter, and permanence of spirit, imo.

this is my thought on why lucifer is associated with light. Lucifer comes from the translation of Isaiah 14, which literally means bright star, shining star, or morning star. again this is why he is known as the sun god and he became known as this in babylon. christ is the true light and of course lucifer has to replicate what our creator has done. has nothing to do with nighttime or the color black. he hold some secret mysteries that our mind as humans arent suppose to know until we meet our creator. he offers those things to mankind in exchange for the soul...giving light or knowledge. knowingly or not man has given in to this because of lack of knowledge about the message from our creator. the illuminatii knows some of these secrets of the mind and uses them to control the masses. simple example...technology.

also i belive lucifer appears as a light 'being' to those who seek him and to those who he appears to. hes one of the most powerful beings ever created. but there is one who is more powerful than him or any of his followers and they know this. its funny to watch em squirm cause they know their time is short.





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The fact that you, Sun Matrix, actually believe in a rapture-concept proves to me that you probably don't know what you're talking about.

It will happen in your lifetime. If you want to buy the alien story, when the time comes, that's ok. Remember, the aliens are in the ocean(where you can't see). They are down there though, we've see the underwater lights. Hook, line and sinker, they got ya.

To blindly and unquestionably following something so undivine as a blood-soaked Bible is contrary to our true purpose and potential. You seem to be caught in the same matrix you warn others of.

This statement kind of made me chuckle. Unquestionably??????????????? I asked more questions than you could even imagine. I did not blindly walk into this without question. I wanted factual answers, not the bull crap that I am fed. Our eternal destiny is far too important to leave the process to chance. I took action to find the truth, and found it. I proved what is true and that is the Word of God. I submit that it is you who have not opened your eyes and proved what is true. You reject the Bible and I doubt that you have even read it.

A page from the Matrix is in order. Neo is born again and asks Morpheus why his eyes hurt. Morpheus says it's because that he has never used them before. Until you are born again, how can you see into this world?

Originally posted by Sun Matrix

I proved what is true and that is the Word of God. I submit that it is you who have not opened your eyes and proved what is true. You reject the Bible and I doubt that you have even read it.

You have proven nothing. I do not reject the Bible and I have indeed read it before. I simply refuse to believe that it holds any more credibility than any other holy text on this planet, which it doesn't. The Bible is inspired by God just as much as the Koran or the Vedas. It is arrogant and ANTI-God to think that the Bible, which has been misconstrued and mistranslated since its first pages were written, is somehow the authoritative handbook to life-- that it speaks for what we think MIGHT be God and it's the Bible's way or the highway. This kind of thinking, or lack thereof, is dangerous, counter-productive, and allows for the few to exercise their power over the many by using fear and brainwashing. THIS is the real matrix. You are SERVING this "matrix" that you like to talk about and model after your little fantasy based on the movie. Certain aspects of what you're saying have truth, metaphorically. But jeez, grow up with all the movie quotes from Morpheus and Neo. And idiot can watch that movie, memorize the script, and then preach to other people about "truth" and "reality." Very similar to the way so many people read the Bible and throw down their lives for it because of their insecurity or fear of eventually ceasing to exist.

BTW, you can still be asleep with your eyes open. If you refuse to use your GOD-GIVEN ability to think rationally and logically, you resign yourself to a life of meaningless superstition and help contribute to the stagnancy of the human-race, whether you choose to accept it or not.

And whats wrong with dark? The darkness of night comforts me, and black is the colour of the clothing of priests, judges, lawyers, police officers, and formal wear for important events such as funerals, black-tie dinners, etc.

There's more, but this should cover it.

Matthew 6:23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!

Matthew 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Luke 11:35 Take heed therefore that the light which is in thee be not darkness.

John 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

John 12:35 Then Jesus said unto them, Yet a little while is the light with you. Walk while ye have the light, lest darkness come upon you: for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth.

John 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.

Acts 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

Romans 2:19 And art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness,

2 Corinthians 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 5:8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places

1 Thessalonians 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

You have proven nothing. I do not reject the Bible and I have indeed read it before. I simply refuse to believe that it holds any more credibility than any other holy text on this planet, which it doesn't. The Bible is inspired by God just as much as the Koran or the Vedas. It is arrogant and ANTI-God to think that the Bible, which has been misconstrued and mistranslated since its first pages were written, is somehow the authoritative handbook to life-- that it speaks for what we think MIGHT be God and it's the Bible's way or the highway. This kind of thinking, or lack thereof, is dangerous, counter-productive, and allows for the few to exercise their power over the many by using fear and brainwashing. THIS is the real matrix. You are SERVING this "matrix" that you like to talk about and model after your little fantasy based on the movie. Certain aspects of what you're saying have truth, metaphorically. But jeez, grow up with all the movie quotes from Morpheus and Neo. And idiot can watch that movie, memorize the script, and then preach to other people about "truth" and "reality." Very similar to the way so many people read the Bible and throw down their lives for it because of their insecurity or fear of eventually ceasing to exist. BTW, you can still be asleep with your eyes open. If you refuse to use your GOD-GIVEN ability to think rationally and logically, you resign yourself to a life of meaningless superstition and help contribute to the stagnancy of the human-race, whether you choose to accept it or not.

And the blind man tells me all that he sees

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I've been following this thread for some time - great train of thought here -

Are you familiar with the concept of "maya" which states that all life is an illusion and all we see and experience is merely a test of our true soul and it's nature?

Once we pass through the illusions of this world, we can attain Nirvana (transcendence, or Heaven).

I know this isn't in a Christian context, please forgive my Buddhist leanings.

Originally posted by GENERAL EYES
I've been following this thread for some time - great train of thought here -

Are you familiar with the concept of "maya" which states that all life is an illusion and all we see and experience is merely a test of our true soul and it's nature?

Once we pass through the illusions of this world, we can attain Nirvana (transcendence, or Heaven).

I know this isn't in a Christian context, please forgive my Buddhist leanings.

GENERAL,

I really don't study much on Eastern relegions, I just don't enjoy it, there are too many and too many different views of the same religion.

I am somewhat familiar with this however. I believe you keep getting reincarnated until you reach this stage. A religion of works.