There is only one Conspiracy...the Matrix has you.

Originally posted by Sun Matrix

Originally posted by DodgeG1
If everyone is blinded by this Matrix, does that mean that no one has broken it So Satan wins?

Everyones is not blinded by the Matrix. Those that are born again and accept Jesus as their savior are saved and free from the Matrix of lies. They may not understand all the ins and outs of the Matrix but the Matrix does not have them.

So SunMatrix, what happens to people who follow other religion. Does this mean they are doomed from the start? Who made that decision to have them doomed from the start of their birth? Was it God, the father of Jesus?

PS should i give up the religion i follow to save myself from the fires of hell?

Wow. 13 self-congratulatory ego-driven pretentious statements in one post.

Actually, it was 13 factual statements in response to your "attack of pride."

Still waiting for you to bring something to the table besides insults.

Originally posted by Prot0n
You have a very perverse understanding of history. Especially that of religous belief's. I almost feel pitty for you. But hey, ignorance is bliss right?

how does he have a perverse understanding of history? he's right on it. what history are you talking about? give some examples. if ignorance is bliss you must be loving it. sorry. i dont mean to take shots but sun takes them over and over again from people who have a very weak understanding of history. take pitty for him? come on. this thread has went on for a while now and he has backed up everything he has said with facts and more facts and probably will continue to do so. but facts just arent good enough for people. thats what really pisses me off about the education system and the religious system...keeping people from our history. but can i blame them or people themselves for not giving a rats a$$ whats being done to them. you need to place your pitty elsewhere.
but now more than ever do i understand the part about "...do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, Romans 12:2"
all i can say is wow.

Originally posted by Arm Of Geddon
Still have yet to say anything of substance. Reiterating the lies doesn't get to their essense. Nor does it help anyone. All it does is make yourself feel better because you can read and connect some dots. When asked for essense you just fall back on your christian programming. There's not one bit of practicality in the "word matrix" you are using to blind people further that may happen to read this thread.

If a blind man leads a blind man, they both will fall in the ditch. Before they fall you can here them congradulating each other on how well they can see. If there ever was a parable for this thread, that's it.

again what lies are you talking about? geez spouting personal insults and nothing to back it up with. what a joke. im in here to learn something and you have yet to prove sun wrong. everything he has said is true. i dont know why if you dont belive him to check what he has said with history and see for yourself. i went back and read your posts and you have given opinions with no facts to back them up. give me something to go on so i can see where your coming from. how can a person dispute facts? i dont know but people do it every day. i understand this whole subject is hard to grasp because it is so vascular but i mean some things are so obvious its just too funny.

most everything on this site that people talk about are about why things are being controlled, why we are being controlled. why there is war and no peace. fallen angels jesus satan commercials illuminatii pyramids reptiles ghosts spirits human body our solar system aliens technology subliminal messages antichrist false church true christians the internet progress history big brother bush iraq and on and on and on....ALL this stuff has to do with one thing. and it all started at the same place.

[edit on 8-4-2006 by Funkydung]

Satan is all around. Usually, he is hidden from site and only leaves his sign and the fruit. His time on this earth is short, so he must move quickly.

Here he is in plain sight. I pick up a magazine at a friends house and I encounter this gem: This advertisement.

The Official Order of the Serpentine Pledge

I will use the conscience-cleansing power of my Axe Snake Peel sample pack to scrub away shame caused by a questionable hook-up, and not as an excuse to commit actS of debauchery, like:

THEN IT LISTS SOME TRASH LIKE (Hosting Roman style orgies, Grinding with mother/daughter tandems) etc.

THEN YOU GET TO SIGN THE PLEDGE AND ("THE SHAMELESS ONE") HAS ALREADY SIGNED.

The shameless one is Satan by the way. They give a web site where you can see Satans mark, the sun and the pyramid and the snake. He is not hiding, his time is short and he is coming to power on the earth.

Here is the web site so you can see him in the open. Please recognize what this is and be careful. This is Satan, the Great Deceiver,............DO NOT BE DECEIVED

www.orderoftheserpentime.com

No links need be provided.

Here is the web site so you can see him in the open. Please recognize what this is and be careful. This is Satan, the Great Deceiver,............DO NOT BE DECEIVED

It's an advertisment for Axe Snake Peel Body Wash. Do not openly post FALSE INFORMATION. And may I add, it's pretty damn good body wash, wife love's the scent after I get out of the shower and is all over me for hours!

I understand your reluctance to admit that there is a Satan. Then you would have to face the fact that there is a God and that "Jesus is Lord".

[edit on 9-4-2006 by Sun Matrix]

Originally posted by Sun Matrix
I understand your reluctance to admit that there is a Satan. Then you would have to face the fact that there is a God and that "Jesus is Lord".

[edit on 9-4-2006 by Sun Matrix]

Dude, what are you acheiving by posting false information, trying to say a BODY WASH product's website is some secret evil satanic cult website?

Have you bothered to LOOK AT IT? Or did you just see one section and stop there as you've done with many other thing's? Your a joke.

hey proton go read this thread...at least the first post. maybe you will see that what sun is talking about is happening. if that doesnt help all i can tell you is to do research on babylon. dig deep. find everything you can about it and the new world order. if you do that and you still dont belive then there is no convincing you.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Prot0n,

You are good for a laugh, that's for sure. I've shut you down in every thread that we have posted in with facts and you walk around in denial.

It's like hitting the beach at Normandy and blowing right through your defenses with superior firepower. You immediately brought up the Panzers to try and contain it all on the beach. Again, no problem, the facts speak for themselves.

Now you run around and with your propaganda campaign and act like it's all good. The joke is, you just can't face facts. I'm closing in on Berlin and inside you know it, the only weapon left for you is denial. Fine, stand on your denial, it won't change the fact that Jesus is Lord.

[edit on 9-4-2006 by Sun Matrix]

[edit on 9-4-2006 by Sun Matrix]

Funkydung,

No, there is no convincing me. I'm not really that gullible. There is no evil secret new world order. This is quiet obvious to anyone, except those who are obviously gullible.

Sun,

You haven't shut me down anywhere. Keep up with the delusion's buddy. Your posting about a BODY WASH product's website ffs. Have you any shred of common sense? Please, for all our sake tie this BODY WASH product with a satanic message. Show us how evil this BODY WASH product is.

Why is it called the order of the serpentine? DUH. The BODY WASH product's name is snake peel. Gee, snake ... serpentine. My god! Must be evil! Anyone who uses this BODY WASH product or views it's ADVERTISEMENTs such as these www.orderoftheserpentine.com... are bound for hell!

Your nothing but full of ridiculous lies, diversions, and ignorance. I'm gunna have to put you on ignore now before I get myself banned for having to reply to such stupidity. Hopefully someday they let you out of the funny farm.

No, there is no convincing me. I'm not really that gullible. There is no evil secret new world order. This is quiet obvious to anyone, except those who are obviously gullible.

There is no secret New World Order? Yea, the secret is out. It's not a secret anymore, most posters here are fully aware of it, but again, you are in denial of the facts. Go over to the New World Order forum and see if there are any facts for you to deny.

Your nothing but full of ridiculous lies, diversions, and ignorance. I'm gunna have to put you on ignore now before I get myself banned for having to reply to such stupidity. Hopefully someday they let you out of the funny farm.

Actually, I just present the facts. Any fifth grader would likely be able to identify Satan if you gave the clues, "The Shameless One" and "Serpent", you somehow seem to struggle.

Yea, put me on ignore, it makes denial much easier when you don't have to face facts. The fact is "Jesus is Lord'.

Originally posted by Funkydung

again what lies are you talking about?

I'm talking about the lies that SM is revealing. Most of what he says is true. He's revealing some of the lies that have been perpetrated on humanity. Again, most of what is says is correct. I know this. I've already said earlier in this thread that I know this and I've answered a bunch of questions about these lies that he presented to me. But yet he lies and says I'm blind, 13 times in one post. That's a big red flag. Lies are from this "Satan" he believes in. "Satan" is evil as I'm told. So what does that make SM? Yet, I'm made out to be the bad guy when I point it out. I gave him the benefit of the doubt and just said it was ego-driven pretentiousness. I could have just said that's he's a very cunning minion of "Satan".

Originally posted by Sun Matrix

Wow. 13 self-congratulatory ego-driven pretentious statements in one post.

Actually, it was 13 factual statements in response to your "attack of pride."

Those 13 statements are lies and so is the above statement. Just because you think they are factual doesn't mean they are. That's pretentious. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and said it's ego-driven. But I'm beginning to wonder if it's not more sinister.

Still waiting for you to bring something to the table besides insults.

The point was not bringing anything to the table. The point was to see if you would move beyond these "matrix lies" that you read somewhere and are repeating here. All you do is bend it all back into your crutch, the bible. Have you ever once wondered how "Satan" can control so much but the bible is so prolific? Have you ever wondered why the creator of a perfectly balanced universe would need a book for his children to know him? What about his poor children that didn't have the bible before it was written? What about his children that don't have access to it now?

Your holier-than-thou attitude is uncalled for. Calling everyone but yourself blind is a lie. And where do lies come from? There is some truth in what you reveal. I've already said that. Coming off with a holier-than-thou attitude will only push people away unless they are the same type of person as yourself. That is, one with a savior complex that put himeslf on a pedestal above all others.

My whole point again was that you continue on this circle of words. Anyway, I'll go back and respond to your previous posts.

[edit on 4/9/2006 by Arm Of Geddon]

Originally posted by Sun Matrix

You are welcome to step forward with some substance.

Wasn't the point. It's your thread. I'm asking you for more substance. You are the one putting yourself up as the teacher.

Originally posted by Sun Matrix

Reiterating the lies doesn't get to their essense. Nor does it help anyone.

The essense is that you are living in a world designed to keep you from the truth. I think I have proved some of that even if you can't see it.

No, that is not the essense. That is the surface reality. The many names for the negative polarity of physical existence. They are words by people. Showing the timeline of a set of lies is great. Can you go beyond it? That's my question. It seems you can't or won't. You will just refer back to more words from the bible. Words written by people. The Creator doesn't need a book. You seem to though.

You again are welcome to step forward and attempt to shed some light, if you are able.

I'm trying to get to the point where I'm not just talking to your ego that comes back at me telling me I'm blind. You seem to think you're the only one on the planet that can see through the BS. There's two potential reasons you keep doing this. If there is another please enlighten me so I'm not spinning my wheels. One reason is that you are using this knowledge to prop yourself up as some kind of Guru. The other reason is more sinister. That would be, that you are trying to use this knowledge to prove the bible is the source of all knowledge. That everything in the bible should be accepted as truth. Again, the Creator doesn't need a book to get his children to know him. But "Satan" could use such a book to trick people into thinking he is God. Subtlely of course. Giving some truth but twisting parts. Then using fear to get people to believe the whole thing or they'll burn in hell.

I'll take all the pretentious lies out since I already pointed those out and you refused to take responsibility for them.

you might have learned that evey holiday is set up to honor Satan instead of the one true God. This fact alone should concern you.

Why does such a small thing concern you? I seen the lies within my christian teachings a long time ago. This doesn't concern me at all. I don't celebrate holidays. Not even my birthday. Such things are just distractions to me. They have no meaning. I'm here for spiritual growth not to celebrate other peoples' rituals and traditions. I consider such things stagnation.

you would see that you live in a world designed to keep you from the truth.

Yea, so. That's why I'm here. To learn about the other side of existence. The negative side. To see the lies from within the lies. It's a field trip. Hands on experience. What better way to understand the other side than to live under their thumb?

The lie has been identified straight to the source, Satan and Babylon.

"Satan" is just another name, another face, for the negative side of existence and any entities that wish to experience that side. Babylon is just the end of the history that's been revealed to you. Do you think that's all the history there is? What you seem to be doing is trying to tie in this new knowledge you found with your previous teachings that the bible is the Word of God. Or else, what you have read is someone else doing that and you are just repeating it. I've read some sites like that. Whatever works for you I guess. Just don't be mad that other people see beyond that. It's still an open forum.

you might realize that you are very likely witnessing the fulfillment of Jeremiah 50 and 51 with the destruction of Iraq which is Babylon.

I'm sure we're witnessing much more fullfillment than just that. What about revelations? But what if, "Satan" inspired people to write down these prophecies in order to fullfill them later?

you would see Semiramis sitting out in the New York harbor instead of Lady Liberty.

Really, when we're talking about spiritual awakening, such a thing is just not important to the extreme. There are masonic symbols everywhere. Satanic symbols if that's what you wish to call them. So what? I can see them all over the place. So can you. Fantastic. How does this help you learn deeper spiritual lessons?

You might even understand that everything that you learn and experience is controlled. Your schooling, your TV, your government, your stock market, your banking system

Again, so what? Once you see it you move on. Why is all controlled? Is there anything that isn't controlled? You are just skimming the surface reality here. I quit school. TV is great to see what they are trying to program people with currently. The government is just the set up "parent" of the adults so they always have some psuedo-authority figure to look up to. The stock market is just a way to siphon off the some of America's wealth. Same with the banking system. Who cares? You aren't going to change it. But what lessons can you learn from it? Identifing it is great but ultimately useless unless you learn something from all this.

you might understand who controls the Catholic Church, who controls the Muslims, who really controls religion.

Yea, this "Satan" fellow. So if he controls religion then how is it that your presious bible is so immune? Why do you seek to bring everything back to try and prove it's the Word of God? What is that part in you that seeks to do that? Can you learn deeper spiritual lessons without a book?

you would know where the Gnostic gospels came from and what their purpose really is.

Same as every other religious system on the planet. And each one has their truth and their lies. If there was no truth then there would be no bait to hook the fish. Same with christianity. Heck, even Scientology has a wee bit of truth stuck in that mess. I can go around all day long saying this is a lie and that is a lie. But I only care about the lies in so much as I can find them, discard then and disern the truth.

that the lie is already in place to explain the Rapture---- alien abductions

A connection between the bible and aliens? Hmmm, I wonder if there are futher connections? Can you eleborate on your understanding here?

you could quit chasing David Ickes Reptilians

I'll repeat what I've said before. Please remember so we don't have to go over this again. I've never read Ickes books nor watched his movies. My research into astral aliens (demons as you call them) has brought me to provide a label to one such race. The Draco. Now, Mr. Icke just so happens to have done some of the same research and research some of the same conclusions. I see what you're trying to do with that statement. But, if you want to present the ideas as crazy then you have to add in your crazy ideas of "Satan" and demons too.

I finshed the job for you and with one step traced them to Satan.

Satan Satan Satan. It's just a word, a name. Reptilians is just a name. Evil Humans is just a name. The essense is negative self-centered ego-driven liars. The name is the surface. Why are you so stuck on this?

I'll try to get to the substance

Do or do not. There is no try.

Listen man. I have nothing against you. We are on the same path. I just can't understand why you have to put yourself on some pedestal and repeat over and over and over and over and over and over and over that everyone but you is blind. I can't understand why you don't just give what you got. Ask for more understanding and then give that. Ask for more insight then give that. What's with the "matrix", "you're blind", "you can't see", "you can't hear", blah blah blah? What purpose does that serve?

[edit on 4/9/2006 by Arm Of Geddon]

Please allow me to explain a little further.

The ego is like a guard dog. It's created as a defensive mechanism to protect the true self. When a child gains consciousness, around the age of 4 or 5, they are bombarded with belief systems and external authorities. They are attacked by other egos that are much more advanced and able to deal with the lies of this world. So, in order to cope, the consciousness creates it's own ego. It creates it's own guard dog to protect against these attacks and deal with the world. When this person is finally able to get from under the first authority, their parents, they have most likely taken the ego as themselves at that point. Why? Because it works. And the true self is forgotten.

I'm not trying to attack anyone. I'm trying to get past the guard dog so I can speak with the true self of that person that the dog is guarding. It's not an easy thing to do because the ego is accepted as who we all are. The person identifies with the guard dog and thinks they are that guard dog. They forgot that it was created when they were a child in order to protect itself. It's merely a creation of consciousness. It is not the whole consciousness.

Anyway, like I said it's not easy to get past the guard dog. You have to distract it, keep it occupied, throw it a bone. Then you have to slip in past it as quick as possible. It doesn't always work. And that's why I came back to the thread. It's not because I'm looking for a fight. It's because I'm looking to talk with the real SM, not the guard dog. So I throw out a perceived attack and the guard dog goes after it. Then I try to slip through with a few questions that might touch the true self. I'm certainly not attacking SM. I have no reason to do that. It benefits no one. I care about SM just as I care about everyone I come into contact with. The thing I don't care about is that guard dog that keeps us from talking as two children of the Infinite Creator.

I'm talking about the lies that SM is revealing. Most of what he says is true. He's revealing some of the lies that have been perpetrated on humanity. Again, most of what is says is correct.

I haven't read all of your other posts yet, I will look at them later. But this post has insired me.

So most of what I am saying is true, I gather. Would you have time to start a thread about this. There is another poster that says everything I have said is a lie. Maybe you could shed some light for him.

Try and keep it simple, for example, make statements like: The ocean is full of salt water. There is salt in saltwater. That's a fact. He will say things like, you lie about everything, stop your lying. Then you say, face facts, you are in denial. That's about it. Thanks.

So SunMatrix, what happens to people who follow other religion.

Have I answered? and yet...........your next question......

Does this mean they are doomed from the start?

Who made that decision to have them doomed from the start of their birth?

No one.

Was it God, the father of Jesus?

No.

PS should i give up the religion i follow to save myself from the fires of hell?

I don't know what you believe but you have choice.