There is only one Conspiracy...the Matrix has you.

Originally posted by Sun Matrix
Only you can get yourself out of the Matrix. You have to CHOOSE.

There is some great truth in that statement.

He proceded to tell me that he knew he was going to heaven.

"If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the (Father's) kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the (Father's) kingdom is within you and it is outside you."

There is no "going to heaven". It's part of the lie. Heaven is created within and without by our choices, by who we are. I'm in Heaven right now, surrounded by Hell.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

You mean I am saved through faith and not works. You mean that it is a free gift, all I need do is receive it.

It's still a lie. A trap. You are trading earthly desires for the desire to be saved. Heaven is a state of no desire. This state is achieved by realizing that a soul possesses all that is. How can a soul desire something it already posesses? A soul does not need saving. Never has, never will. It can only be controlled by being tricked into giving up it's free-will. One way to do that is to convince it that it needs to be saved.

I found out about getting born again and did so. Got baptised and start spiritually growing.

"Born again" is an allegory for standing at the beginning of this physical trip our souls are on. The garden of eden story is an allegory for our erroneous decision to seek knowledge outside ourselves. This seeking outside of ourselves cut off our direct line to "God". This caused the "Fall" of mankind. To this day most still seek the knowledge outside themselves. Submerging yourself in water does nothing but get you wet.

It also ended my search.

Your search should not end until you at One with All. Since you are still typing I know that event hasn't taken place. I don't ask that you believe what I tell you. I only ask that you consider what I write with an open mind.

Originally posted by Arm Of Geddon
1) "If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the (Father's) kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the (Father's) kingdom is within you and it is outside you."

2) There is no "going to heaven". It's part of the lie. Heaven is created within and without by our choices, by who we are. I'm in Heaven right now, surrounded by Hell.

3) It's still a lie. A trap. You are trading earthly desires for the desire to be saved. Heaven is a state of no desire. This state is achieved by realizing that a soul possesses all that is. How can a soul desire something it already posesses? A soul does not need saving. Never has, never will. It can only be controlled by being tricked into giving up it's free-will. One way to do that is to convince it that it needs to be saved.

4) "Born again" is an allegory for standing at the beginning of this physical trip our souls are on. The garden of eden story is an allegory for our erroneous decision to seek knowledge outside ourselves. This seeking outside of ourselves cut off our direct line to "God". This caused the "Fall" of mankind. To this day most still seek the knowledge outside themselves. Submerging yourself in water does nothing but get you wet.

5) Your search should not end until you at One with All. Since you are still typing I know that event hasn't taken place. I don't ask that you believe what I tell you. I only ask that you consider what I write with an open mind.

1) Where in the world are you getting your quote? It isn'y in any translation I can find on the websearch other than some Gnostic sites. Which isn't mainstream Christianity scripturally.

2) You just keep tyhinking this and unfortunately you'll find out too late to do anything about it. You really don't want to know how many scriptures I can give you to the contrary.

3) Sound like another mix-mash of beliefs.

4&5) oh forget it, it is a waste of typing

dont question him onegodjesus. if you argue with sun then you're only making it painfully obvious that your blinded by his terrifying, omnipotent super-conspricy

sorry about him Mr. Matrix... please continue the wowwing

Deep Blue
I bet on a Million dollars that you are jewish. Aren't you?

No. was church of England...


Sun Matrix, i first noticed things through trading, and made a fortune when you no how it realy works. I wont trade now because of my beleifs and that now does not mean any organised religion. just a search for truth.

One positive thing i do is campaign for monetary reform.( Economics is as simple as it is honest and as complex as it is dishonest.)


Sun Matrix quote

Everything is controlled to intentionally lead you from the truth. And that is the truth.

I agree.

[edit on 22-3-2006 by city trader]

Originally posted by Omnipocket
dont question him onegodjesus. if you argue with sun then you're only making it painfully obvious that your blinded by his terrifying, omnipotent super-conspricy

sorry about him Mr. Matrix... please continue the wowwing

Best re-read OGJ above post. I don't think it's me he is questioning. He is wondering about that strange Bible verse from another poster.

Omnipocket, I would be happy for you to argue the facts that I am presenting with facts of your own. However, you only want to take shots at me and not what I am saying. Like I said, the target shoots back. If you have conflicting facts that you would like to bring forward, I'm happy to hear them.

Originally posted by Sun Matrix
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I'd like to read the back of the book so to speak and tie this thing up.

I thought you read the back of the book. Jesus is the prophesied Messiah.

Uh, yeah...I know that and believe it and obey it, but is there another step in this thing past the history or was that it?

Originally posted by OneGodJesus

Originally posted by Sun Matrix
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I'd like to read the back of the book so to speak and tie this thing up.

I thought you read the back of the book. Jesus is the prophesied Messiah.

Uh, yeah...I know that and believe it and obey it, but is there another step in this thing past the history or was that it?

You will find the answer you seek in Hebrews 10:36

Your search should not end until you at One with All. Since you are still typing I know that event hasn't taken place. I don't ask that you believe what I tell you. I only ask that you consider what I write with an open mind.

Armageddon,

I think that it is only fair that you identify exactly where you are coming from since you say you are here to help people.

I think you are a Taoist.

Is this correct?

Originally posted by OneGodJesus
1) Where in the world are you getting your quote? It isn'y in any translation I can find on the websearch other than some Gnostic sites. Which isn't mainstream Christianity scripturally.

Correct. Gnostic. These are the purest form of scriptures. The bible and it's incarnations have been used by men in religious power positions to keep those power positions.

2) You just keep tyhinking this and unfortunately you'll find out too late to do anything about it. You really don't want to know how many scriptures I can give you to the contrary.

I've read the bible cover to cover. I spent 17 years in chruch. I've listened to over 2,000 sermons. I've been to bible camp and went many summers to vacation bible school. I know the bible. And that's why I'm at the point I'm at now.

3) Sound like another mix-mash of beliefs.

Belief is for those that are still looking outside themselves for the answers.

4&5) oh forget it, it is a waste of typing

Ah, you see. I understand where you are coming from. I was surrounded by people in "belief" for my whole childhood. It takes a strong will to question the beliefs we were given as a child. There's over a billion christians so it's safe to say not many people question the beliefs they were given. It would be a waste of your typing because I've seen beyond this. I don't consider it a waste of my typing because there may be others that read this and hear a ring of truth in it.

Originally posted by Sun Matrix

Your search should not end until you at One with All. Since you are still typing I know that event hasn't taken place. I don't ask that you believe what I tell you. I only ask that you consider what I write with an open mind.

Armageddon,

I think that it is only fair that you identify exactly where you are coming from since you say you are here to help people.

I think you are a Taoist.

Is this correct?

Incorrect. Only because you place an identity on my continued search. A search for the Infinite cannot, by definition, have a definition. I'm a student of Life. Living is my religion. Everything we ever needed, to know who we are, was given to us long before any books or religious sects were even dreamed of.

Thank you for speaking to me as an equal instead of that whole "you're blind" thing. I do appreciate it.

There aren't many written words to back up what I've found inside. The Gnostic texts are the closest I can come to that. I've never read any Taoist stuff. I don't follow groups. I've watched what happens in a group environment and it doesn't suit me.

I would be more than willing to explain further anything I write. I can explain things from different perspectives. And as with OneGodJesus, I do understand your perspective and I respect it.

It's not so much that I'm here to help people as I'm here to offer that which has been given to me. I can't actually help anyone because it is always their choice on what path they wish to take. I can only offer another perspective in case anyone wishes to use it.

[edit on 3/22/2006 by Arm Of Geddon]

Originally posted by Arm Of Geddon
1) "If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the (Father's) kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the (Father's) kingdom is within you and it is outside you."

There is an issue with even this quote. When we die and are ready we all go into the light. The light is the home of souls. All us incarnates are still in school back home. In this respect one could say they are "going to heaven".

Also, the description of "Heaven" in the bible is the representation of the Astral realm for those that choose to be of service to others as Jesus did. This is the realm of the angels that help humanity. If we choose that then it will be a place without want and so form because everyone helps everyone else. So an individual is constantly taken care of.

The idea of "Hell" in the bible represents the Astral realm on the opposite polarity. A selfish existence where there is constant "knashing of teeth" to get higher on the pyramid of power.

But, as far as the Jesus quote above, he's speaking about the soul realm. We are souls therefore we never left. We only gained another body to use for our lessons. Since we never left we are in heaven but just don't see it. And if you don't see it then your light does not shine and you have separated yourself from the light.

sun, im only taking shots at you to keep from falling asleep

ive been watching some high definition tv and on one channel (INHD) theres a show called Solarmax. an IMAX productions tell about the sun and the rare shots of it using sattilites. pretty amazing. they have audio of the sun...sounds like a humming vibration...sorta like a reactor of some kind. also talks about the rcc..and china...saying that its one of the most adavance nations that still has a sun god...the thing is unreal when you see it close up. thought about the matrix

There aren't many written words to back up what I've found inside. The Gnostic texts are the closest I can come to that.

Arm of G, You probably know this but:

In Babylon, after the flood, a mystery religion was created by Nimrod and his wife Semiramis. At its core, was a sexual interpretation of the serpent and the fall of Adam and Eve. It became known as the "secret mystery, the Chaldean mysteries, or the secret knowledge religion." This religion was the adversary and antagonist of the Old Testament Saints and Prophets. From the time of Alexander the Great, the religion of Babylon changed names from worship of Baal, and became known around the Mediterranean coastal nations as "Gnosticism". Those who believed and practiced this Babel religion were called Gnostics The Gnostic mystery religion of Babylon worshiped Eve in the female sex as the benefactor of Man. She was worshiped and venerated as a whore goddess, often nude, and known after Babel among other languages as: Ishtar, Ashtoreth, Nuit=(Tanuit, Anuit), Hathor, Isis, Aphrodites, Diana, Cybele, Demeter, Ceres, Venus, Athena, Varuna, et al.). The serpent as the "good-god" was worshiped as having infused the woman with his passion and lust, to use her body to the pleasure of herself and those whom she wanted to dominate. Adam was worshiped in the person of Nimrod and Baal as the consort of his whore wife who was also called an "asherah." The true GOD was envisioned as a wrathful Deity of hate, who was guilty of opposing this "CHOICE" of use by Eve and all females, with their body. The woman became the high-priestess of the Gnostic religion through sexual ordination. Because she gives birth, she was also venerated as the great mother and came to be worshiped as "mother earth" who brings to birth all things. The environmental movement today, is therefore a Gnostic revival of mystery Babylon. Through it, paganism has emerged and revived.

Arm of G,

I'm sure you realize that this is the very thing that I have been talking about. Nimrod and Babylon, the beginning of the lie.

You are going to be getting plenty of company soon as the Catholic church will eventually usher in the New Age movement as the one world religion.

You might further examine the accuracy of the Gnostic text and where it went.

There is certainly a ton of info on Gnosticism. From their history, their mysterys, to were they were at the time of Christ and where they are today. I only lightly covered their origin. A familiar theme.

I wish you the best, but you are on the wrong path.

Ok, well I guess we are done here. Thanks Sun for the history lesson.

Originally posted by Sun Matrix
I wish you the best, but you are on the wrong path.

I understand what you are saying. I'm not sure you are seeing what my path really is though. I don't follow Gnostism any more than I follow Christianity. In fact, I only read the Gospel of Thomas which is purely quotes from Jesus (and not all of them are truth either). The rest of it doesn't interest me.

I look for the ring of truth in things. All the religions came from basically one source. "Satan" sought to convince mankind that he was God. One of his best tools was religion. Gnostism is not immune. I know this. In order that people may believe the religions there had to be truth inside that rang for the soul. The truth is the bait. The lies are the trap.

Christianity has it's truth. You can feel it. I can feel it. All the other religions have truth in them as well. If they didn't, they wouldn't trap souls in 'belief'. It's the whole 'baby and bathwater' cliche. The issue that people seem to have is they don't get rid of the bathwater and end up drowning in lies. This goes for all religions and sects.

I do not worship anything. The Creator of All doesn't need worship. But "Satan" does because that's how he gets his power. "Satan" represents the lies. If one does not get rid of the lies then they are giving their power away. Worshipping anything, including God or Jesus - Sun or Moon, is giving your power away (giving your eternal gift away). That's the main point.

We shall agree to disagree. I respect your position and choices as I respect my own.

i thought everybody would get someting out of this....suns right on it.


Chapter 3
History Begins at Babel
The restoration of history begins with this chapter. It has taken years of research to recover all the vital pieces of evidence needed to tell the full story. The assumptions of historians and archaeologists had first to be cleared away. The most difficult part, however, was the recovery of rejected evidence -- much of it published over 100 years ag.

At last the restoration of the framework of history was complete for Egypt, Babylonia, Assyria, Greece, Media. All the records went back to one momentous event.

The event? The building of the City and Tower of Babel! The beginning of the civilization of this world! It commenced as an act of rebellion against the Government of God. It began with the establishment of the Government of Man. And just as one might expect, all the ancient nations began to reckon their kings from this event.

read the rest here...
cgca.net...

Originally posted by OneGodJesus
Ok, well I guess we are done here. Thanks Sun for the history lesson.

You're welcome. Now how about a Bible lesson.



Ecclesiastes 1: 9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. 10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us. 11 There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.

I love this.

No one ever knows more than the dribble of toddlers for fact, yet the fight to prove your own personal supposition, backed up by either the scripture of your particular chosen religion; or with equal validity, the random local nutter, is eternal.

Offended, offensive offensive? Is............


What?



Actually, forget that. I've completly offended myself.

I'm filing a motion as we speak.



[edit on 25-3-2006 by kegs]

Originally posted by Sun Matrix Yes, it is very likely that the Matrix has you. What is the Matrix? The world created to keep you from the truth, The Lie. ...

The Matrix cannot enslave a truthful, honest person because the people in the Matrix have to defend their lies and bolster their deceits.

What's simple about the Matrix is those who say, "I know better than you do, what is good for you." "I know better than you, how you ought to want to live." "I know better than you, how to make decisions and choices." And so they work to skirt around the issue of CONSENT.

Having an ego-issue, these also act as predators, taking initiatives, taking what belongs to others, taking sides, taking shortcuts, taking advantage, taking for granted, taking, taking .... Takers make up the Matrix, controlling, manipulating, maneuvering, deceiving and conniving.

The meek--those who simply leave most of everything for their children and their children's children, to the tenth generation--they get ripped off every time.

If the world were left to its own devices, predators would eventually win; there would be no justice for "the meek who seek no advantages."

If you have read "The Little Prince," you know the Fox was meek because he avoided making any entanglements; he was wild and he was free. That's meek. Meek is not subservient; it's "committed to principle and not to self."

But, thankfully, this planet goes through a cosmic drama every once in a while in which the predators attempt to take over and control everything; and then they are brought down with a horrendous crash--somehow. Maybe it's God.

I can't wait to see this drama fulfill itself again this time.

Yeah.