There is only one Conspiracy...the Matrix has you.

just to let you know im still reading daily. its funny how people keep saying that all of the things you say has to do with religion after you keep saying religion is part of the problem. you are hitting everything about nimrod, the catholic church and the false history the world leaders have fed us just as it is. its really hard to explain this to people. its like telling them the letter A is really the letter K. but when they see it they will never be the same.

And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind.....
romans 12:2

The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
2corinthians4:4



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just to let you know im still reading daily. its funny how people keep saying that all of the things you say has to do with religion after you keep saying religion is part of the problem. you are hitting everything about nimrod, the catholic church and the false history the world leaders have fed us just as it is. its really hard to explain this to people. its like telling them the letter A is really the letter K. but when they see it they will never be the same.

Thanks for reading. When someone is not born again it is just so difficult to get them to see what is right in front of their face. The ones that will see are the ones that are searching. God is pretty clear. Seek and you will find.

You know the line : No one can tell you about the Matrix, you must see it for yourself. We are dealing with the master liar. He created the lie of the sun because of the coming of the Son. There is so much more to the lie, but I'm trying to keep it as simple as possible. The same lie is all over the world with different names. It's all so simple and yet it can't be seen.

The Matrix is everywhere. The lie has had thousands of years to form. It is the symbol of the sun.

I've read all of this thread and I know what the sun matrix was trying to point out in all the crazy rambling he wrote...

...he was trying to say that Jesus was Neo at a time and Jesus will return as Neo again to save humanity...

...only thing is if Jesus was Neo before, then how did Jesus get in and out of the Matrix if there was no telephone?

I keep saying, the Matrix is the symbol of the sun. It's actually a little more than that, but I want to keep it simple for now.

Let's look at Nazi Germany.

There is certainly many things we could cover about the Nazis and Hitler. There is so much on Hitlers occultism. He went after the Spear of Destiny. He went after the Holy Grail (cup of Christ). Hitler had special occult buildings and rooms. If anyone wants to post anything about this, have at it. I don't want to get side tracked. I'm just after the big fish.

There are said to be reports that Prescott Bush was one of the financiers of the Nazis. It is said that this information is in the library of congress. I have not seen it, to verify it, but I would not be suprised. I did see a show on TV about it, but many times I have seen false information on these shows. How could this be and then his son and grandson become president of the United States? If this is true, it should tell you something about the world you live in. Ah, let's stick with the big fish.

The Matrix bears the symbol of the sun. Why did Hitler pick the swastika an ancient sun symbol. Why is the symbol on Germanys planes and tanks the cross of Baal? Oh, you didn't notice? Did you know Hitler was trying to set up the One World Government found in the Bible?

Hitler was deeply in the occult. He took the symbol of Satan, the cross of baal, as the symbol of his war machine. Why do you think he wanted to kill all the Jews. Satan has always tried to kill Gods people, and the Jews are his chosen people.

Any time you find someone attacking Gods people, you will find Satan. He's good enough to leave his mark, you just have to know what it is to see it.

Hitler was a member of a group called the Thule Society he joined this group after he came back from WW1 and people from this group noticed his uncanny ability even as a low ranking military officer. Soon after he joined the Nazi party of Germany and was voted in as its leader. He among his peers at the thule society was said to be their messiah and they along with American capitol funded the poor Nazi party to win the elections due to his ability to rally the nation behind him.

The thule society beleived that the Aryan race was once a god like race among men and that the Jews were sent to corrupt its blood lines Hitler realized later that through the study of eugenics and racial purification he could restoe the once proud Aryan people and their psychic abilities. Hitler also beleived that the Aryans through selective breeding and other techniques like genocide he could acheive this goal. Hitler beleived that the Slavic peoples of the east including Russia were beast men who were to become slaves and to serve him. He however was wrong after he waged war in Russia they brought it to him and started invading Germany the might of the allies invading from the west and the russians from the east crippled Germany and hitler both physically and financially. The Thule society has since fallen and the only remnants left are the Nero-Nazi movements who beleive in whit power are a far cry from Adolf Hitlers true vision.

Some master race they lost the war and were later exposed for crimes against humanity. And made the study of Eugenics look bad. for the most part humans are the same but real eugenics was first developed to furthur man the study of race these days is called Bio-Ethics. I mean seriously there are clear genetic differences between races we all have our disadvantages and our advantages. It is assumed by most however that anyone who shows an interest in the study of race is purely for evil intent and this is not necissarily the case.

Adolf Hitler was funded with american capitol in part Prescott and his partner Harriman both funded Auchiwitz death camp and was even labeled in the news at the time as a merchant of death. George Bush his son is not all that different profiteering off of several wars including this one and same with his Kids.

Hm... Now all this talk of Jesus is Neo etc. is giving me questions.

Where does Buddha, and his disciples come in? Where does the 100+ Hindu Gods come in? Where does Allah and his prophets come in (Islam)?

Are you willing to deny that these Gods are just hoax? If thats the case, then you're full of sh*t.

I've not seen one single fact yet, only theory and ideas about how the world is crafted around one so-called 'Matrix'. If you're such all knowing, please feel try to actually give us some solid evidence to prove your 'facts'.

Ok, so after ten pages of convouluted wrangling we are trying to acheive what here?
youve got some interesting ideas, but what your giving us here seems to be a confusing mish mash of conspiracy theories, bound together with your assumption that the only way out of this "web of deciet" is through christ. all been said and done before my freind.

your points, although they show signs of some interesting research, show a shaky grasp of history and seem to be wooly, sweeping statements that do little, either to back up your theory, or to convince anyone else. You swan around from one subject to the other with out any clear direction to your argument. despite what you say, you have given us neither a coherent argument or a much in the way of verifiable evidence.
sure much of what you say can be backed up. Indeed, Constantine never did become a christian, Hitler was a closet occultist etc. but these are largley petty details. they stand for nothing on their own. they do not point to some elaborate "matrix of lies" as you put it.

The paradigm your putting forward here is a simplistic one. You propose christianity is the one, incorruptible, divine truth. A truth that most are blind too. You hint at this through your dodgy matrix metaphor.

When others do not agree with you that jesus is the only way to "Be set free", you claim their disagreement is down to their blindness/ignorance etc. They are stuck in the matrix, you claim, and only jesus can liberate them. The Lies you have spoken of in this post seem to have taken the form of everything from mesopotamian kings, to other religions. Anything that dosnt fit with your view of "christian truth" bascially. You even had the nerve to declare Zoroastrianism, a religion which predates christianity by a milennia, was a lie. On what grounds?
Becuase it dosnt belive that salvation comes from kissing the posterior of a murderous, self centred man-god of jewish ethnicity?

At the beggining of this post you asked us to stay with you, as you would allegedly show us some astonishing revelations about this world of lies. ten pages on you have nothing of substance. All you have here is yet another attempt at cyber evangelism that has so far failed to deliver anything coherent, or win any new converts for "Team Jesus".

Im sorry if this sounds a little venmous. i am not one of these reactionary arseholes OneGodJesus speaks about, who prowls around looking for christians to victimise.

im just asking if you can show me something we dont already know.

Where does Buddha, and his disciples come in? Where does the 100+ Hindu Gods come in? Where does Allah and his prophets come in (Islam)?

All comes from the same place, where the lie originated in Babylon. I can only cover so much because there is so much to cover. I have shown you one place where this lie got to India from Babylon. The next religion that will be looked at is Islam.

Are you willing to deny that these Gods are just hoax? If thats the case, then you're full of sh*t.

These are false gods are used to lead people from the truth.

I've not seen one single fact yet, only theory and ideas about how the world is crafted around one so-called 'Matrix'. If you're such all knowing, please feel try to actually give us some solid evidence to prove your 'facts'.

The facts have been posted. I certainly understand you not being able to see the Matrix, I had hoped you could see provable fact, if I presented one circumstance. I am somewhat puzzled what I can do for you. The next time you celebrate Christmas, maybe it will hit you.

Christmas is a corperate holiday and religeon is bunk. History shows that almost all religeos people are racist and cannot accept others religeons. It is used to start and end wars to make money and halt progress. No one has yet prooven me wrong about religeon and the fact is all these religeos books are written by men for men to eliminate the fear of death so that soldiers would not fear death and fight for their God or Gods.

1) Can you show me conclusive evidence of a God?
2) Can you give me modern examples of biblical like miracles?
3) According to most religeons the world is about 10k years old can you proove this?
4) All religeons discriminate those who do not worship their God(s) they will go to hell etc. What proof do you have to proove your religeon is superior to all others and that we will burn in the afterlife?

sorry, "These are false gods are used to lead people from the truth. "?

Allah is a false god? If youve given even a glance to islamic theology, youll see that Allah is not a seperate deity to your christian one. Ask any Muslim, when they use the name Allah they are refering to the same judeo-christian god as in the old and new testaments.

Islam is, like judaism and christianity, an abrahmic religion, which traceces it liniage back to (funnily enough) abraham of the old testament. Allah is only a seperate name for god, like Yahweh, in the arabic tounge. Islam aknowledges the prophets of the bible and respect their teaching. They even aknowledge jesus, just not as the messiah. Just a regular joe bloggs.

Im stating some rather well known points here, but im just "laying some groundwork" as you say, for you . Denounce Allah and your denouncing your own God.

Christmas is a corperate holiday and religeon is bunk.

I agree and am attempting to prove that as fact.

History shows that almost all religeos people are racist and cannot accept others religeons.

Again, I agree and am attempting to prove that very thing.

It is used to start and end wars to make money and halt progress.

I agree, but it goes beyond that. It is used to keep you from seeing the truth.

No one has yet prooven me wrong about religeon and the fact is all these religeos books are written by men for men to eliminate the fear of death so that soldiers would not fear death and fight for their God or Gods.

Why would I try to prove you wrong when I agree that all religious books were written by men. Only the Bible was written by men and inspired by God.

1) Can you show me conclusive evidence of a God?

Sure, see below.

Romans 1:19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 Ever since the creation of the world his eternal power and divine nature, invisible though they are, have been understood and seen through the things he has made. So they are without excuse; 21 for though they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their senseless minds were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools; 23 and they exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling a mortal human being or birds or four-footed animals or reptiles.

2) Can you give me modern examples of biblical like miracles?

Only the example given below.

And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.

3) According to most religeons the world is about 10k years old can you proove this?

I'm not really interested in what relgions have to say. I have never tried to prove the age of the earth so I am not sure. I think that God made it impossible to prove the age of the earth. But, you can't prove that the earth is not 6000 plus years old.

Evolution can be proven as a crock, but you need to go down to the origins forum for that. Check out the "Does hydrogen turn into people"(IF YOU WAIT LONG ENOUGH) thread. Evolution is merely part of the Matrix to keep you in blindness. It is certainly unprovable. I can prove that the earth was once covered by water, just like the Bible says, though.

4) All religeons discriminate those who do not worship their God(s) they will go to hell etc. What proof do you have to proove your religeon is superior to all others and that we will burn in the afterlife?

I am working on that proof right now. I still have no use for religion, though, only the truth.

What you have done is taken quotes out of context and then followed with I agree or See below or I'm working on it etc. What you have done is tried to make an argument with absolutly no substance. how can you proove something man has tried to proove long befor you were even born. The truth is Religeon is screwing billions of people every single day they dictate what is right and wrong look at South Dakota and abortion.

No one can proove a God exists and taking quotes is hardley proof of anything. no one can make a valid argument again'st science nor evolution. Science and our own ingenuity make us what we are not a God or Gods.

No one can proove a God exists and taking quotes is hardley proof of anything. no one can make a valid argument again'st science nor evolution. Science and our own ingenuity make us what we are not a God or Gods.

That's just it. I can prove God exists, just not to you. You can prove God exists, but you choose not to.

I have asked you to go down to the origins forum and produce your scientific facts which you don't seem to want to do. Evolution is umprovable and in fact, science can prove it is impossible. Go to the origin forum and find out the truth. Show them your facts if you have any.

Ok, so after ten pages of convouluted wrangling we are trying to acheive what here? youve got some interesting ideas, but what your giving us here seems to be a confusing mish mash of conspiracy theories, bound together with your assumption that the only way out of this "web of deciet" is through christ. all been said and done before my freind.

But has it been proven with facts?

your points, although they show signs of some interesting research, show a shaky grasp of history and seem to be wooly,

Please feel free to correct me on my history. If I am wrong about history, show me with facts. Please do, because I tire of everyones empty, unproven comments. I almost want you to prove me wrong, because I want someone to step forward with facts for a change. I believe what I believe because of facts. Are you the same, or have you just picked up and passed on empty unprovable beliefs, the Matrix.

The Lies you have spoken of in this post seem to have taken the form of everything from mesopotamian kings, to other religions. Anything that dosnt fit with your view of "christian truth" bascially. You even had the nerve to declare Zoroastrianism, a religion which predates christianity by a milennia, was a lie. On what grounds?

Lies?????? I think it is more your lack of knowledge.

Suppose the year was 1980 and there was a rich land owner who was very generous. Let's say he built a house for you and said "Here, this house is yours, and you don't need to pay anything. You are free to paint it, furnish it, make a garden, whatever you want. I only ask one thing of you. There is a box of matches in the shed and under no circumstances are you to enter the shed and get the matches. You can do anything else just leave the matches alone.

Well, you just had to screw everything up and you burnt the house down.

Then he says to you, "I will rebuild your house for free, but because of what you have done, it won't be for a while."

He then goes off to live in Europe and is unavailable for you to contact. The year is 2000 and suddenly an old trailer shows up. You pass by and find someone living in the old trailer already. Then in 2001, 2002, 2003 and 2004 more old trailers arrive with poeple living in them.

In 2006 a beautiful mansion is built in 3 days. The mansion had your name on it.

Now, if the landowner was contacted, who would he say was on the property first? And so it was with the promise of the coming Messiah.

Becuase it dosnt belive that salvation comes from kissing the posterior of a murderous, self centred man-god of jewish ethnicity?

Murderous? Who? Please bring facts, not empty unsupported statements. Who did he kill?

Im sorry if this sounds a little venmous. i am not one of these reactionary arseholes OneGodJesus speaks about, who prowls around looking for christians to victimise.

No problem. I do ask you to produce some facts though. Please back up your statements.

im just asking if you can show me something we dont already know.

I honestly don't think that you realized that Christmas was the birthday of the sun god Baal. I don't think you really knew the origin of the Christmas tree. I don't think that you knew that the goddess of the harvest was being worshipped on thanksgiving. Same goes for the queen of Babylon on Mothers day.

I don't think you knew Satan left his mark on the Catholic church or the Nazis. And I don't think you know that we can trace religion back to Nimrod (Baal) who is Satan.

Show you something that "we" don't know. There seems to be a lot of people in the forum that don't know about the reptiles that David Icke talks about. That's next.

Originally posted by OneGodJesus

Originally posted by Not a prophet

Originally posted by OneGodJesus

1) The Bible was indeed written by man and inspired by God (and protected by Him too). The old testement was a foreshadow of the new testement, meaning it foretold of the things in the new testement. Now about the authenticity of the Bible, some say "well it was altered" etc. I contend it was not because of a simple game you can play with about 25 people called pass the rumor. You start a rumor and pass it to the person next to you by wispering in their ear. When the story get back to you it is altered greatly from when it was started. Now take that information and compare it to the Bible and the massive amount of manuscripts found that all say the same thing. Do a search on old texts of the Bible and you will see the research agrees that the texts agree on all points. You cannot have that kind of evidence and call the Bible inaccurate.

2) You said that Christianity took from Islam? How can that be when Islam came after Christianity?

Do you have any proof that islam came after christianity? And besides, I didn't say christianity took from islam.. just the idea of a shaitan( opposer, evil spirit ). Do some research before you tell me im wrong.. show me im wrong, don't just say it. have you learned nothing about facts from this thread?

Sun Matrix.. im glad that you did take consideration for what I said, and I will in fact do some more research of my own. You have indeed inspired me to dig up some truth, weather I agree with you or not right now is of no consequence.. its finding the truth that matters.

thanks again.

Little touchy about this hmmm? It is historical fact that Christianity was founded after Islam because if for no other reason it is referenced in the Quran, as is Jewish rituals and religious observances. How about you do a little historical fact finding before you spout off you know so much about islam.

Sorry wasn't really focused when I wrote this, what I meant was Judeo-Christian belief was introduced prior to Islam and is thus referenced in the Quran...sorry for the mix up.

sorry, maybe i wasnt making myself clear. When i used the term "lies" i was refering to things that you call lies, the diffrent parts of your "matrix" theory, not your idea as a whole was a lie.

ill be happy to clear up a few points.

I had said that all of what you are saying had been said and done before. to which you replied
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"But has it been proven with facts?"
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Well mate, evidently not. Just look at this bloody website! your are by no means the first to out across these ideas. Thats the whole point of ATS, to disscuss ideas and THEORIES. if everything had been proven with facts, we wouldnt be adding page after page to this thread. I meant what i said about you doing some interesting reaserch, and indeed much of what you say can be verified, but only on individual points. None of what you are saying ties together a concrete and coherent conspiracy theory.

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when replying to me about Zoroastiranism, u replied
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"Lies?????? I think it is more your lack of knowledge.

Suppose the year was 1980 and there was a rich land owner who was very generous. Let's say he built a house for you and said "Here, this house is yours, and you don't need to pay anything. You are free to paint it, furnish it, make a garden, whatever you want. I only ask one thing of you. There is a box of matches in the shed and under no circumstances are you to enter the shed and get the matches. You can do anything else just leave the matches alone.

Well, you just had to screw everything up and you burnt the house down.

Then he says to you, "I will rebuild your house for free, but because of what you have done, it won't be for a while."

He then goes off to live in Europe and is unavailable for you to contact. The year is 2000 and suddenly an old trailer shows up. You pass by and find someone living in the old trailer already. Then in 2001, 2002, 2003 and 2004 more old trailers arrive with poeple living in them.

In 2006 a beautiful mansion is built in 3 days. The mansion had your name on it.

Now, if the landowner was contacted, who would he say was on the property first? And so it was with the promise of the coming Messiah.
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You should have heard the noise that made as it went straight over my head. What the hell are you talking about here? is this another one of your cerr-azy metaphors?
in no way did u answer my question. I asked you on what grounds did u mean that Zoroastiranism was false, any more so than christianity may be. u reply with this. youve avoided the question with an abstract answer.

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U also asked me to show you ,with facts, how God was murderous. Well, seeing as christians are forever expounding the virtues of the bible as factual truth, ill give you just a few "facts" from the old testament....

Deuteronomy 20:13-14 "And when the Lord thy God hath delivered it unto thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: but the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoils thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the Lord thy God hath given thee. "

Numbers 31:17-18 "Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. "

Exodus 32:27-28 "And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour. And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men. "

1 Chronicles 13:9-10 "And when they came unto the threshing floor of Childon, Uzza put forth his hand to hold the ark, for the oxen stumbled. And the anger of the Lord was kindled against Uzza, and he smote him, because he put his hand to the ark: and there he died before God. "

Exodus 12:29 "And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive who was in the dungeon, and all the firstborn of the cattle."

1 Samuel 15:3 " 'Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.' "

and my particular favourite of Gods quotes:
"Behold, i shall corrupt your seed and spread dung upon your faces" Malachi 2:3.

How delightful.

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as to things your claiming that i dont already know:
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I honestly don't think that you realized that Christmas was the birthday of the sun god Baal. I don't think you really knew the origin of the Christmas tree. I don't think that you knew that the goddess of the harvest was being worshipped on thanksgiving. Same goes for the queen of Babylon on Mothers day.

I don't think you knew Satan left his mark on the Catholic church or the Nazis. And I don't think you know that we can trace religion back to Nimrod (Baal) who is Satan.

Show you something that "we" don't know. There seems to be a lot of people in the forum that don't know about the reptiles that David Icke talks about. That's next.
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Your right in a sense. Theyre hypotheses. I dont KNOW at all. Not for sure anyways, but thats by no means to say that i havent heard these things before. Just beciase im diasgreeing with you initially and taking what you say with a pinch of salt, dont mean that ur telling me something groundbreaking that im not ready for. The points your putting across can be found elsewhere, not only on ATS but on the whole internet, let alone books, radio, tv etc.

Ill be happy to go over some historical notes with you, as i may well be wrong, and ill happily stand corrected if i am. U2U me if u like so as not to bogg this thread down.

As far as Nimrod is concerned, i have never come across the name being synonymous with Baal, or even them being the same entity.
Nimrod was a mesoptatiman king. He is an obscure figure even in the Bible, mentioned breifly in Genesis, Chronicles and Micah, and he was allegedly responsible for the construction of the tower of Babel.
In the Bible, he is a desecndant of Noah. The son of Cush, who was the Son of Ham, Noahs own son.
Though i find this odd as there is no evidence i am aware of of a Semiite ascending to a Babylonian throne.
If you could clear up the connection to between Baal and Nimrod that would be great. The Babylonians often deified theyre rulers, but ive found no evidence tha Nimrod claimed to be Baal incarnate.

I meant what i said about you doing some interesting reaserch, and indeed much of what you say can be verified, but only on individual points. None of what you are saying ties together a concrete and coherent conspiracy theory.

You are right, I can only prove individual points. And you say, "None of what you are saying ties together on a concrete and coherent conspiracy theory. Well, they say, "No one can tell you about the Matrix, you must see it for yourself". You are not born again, how can you see into this world that you don't even realize exists?

What I'm attempting to do, it is said, can't be done. But I wonder, If I prove enough individual points with facts, will a picture develope that you can see. I don't if you will be able to see, I'm just willing to try anyway.

You should have heard the noise that made as it went straight over my head. What the hell are you talking about here? is this another one of your cerr-azy metaphors? in no way did u answer my question. I asked you on what grounds did u mean that Zoroastiranism was false, any more so than christianity may be. u reply with this. youve avoided the question with an abstract answer.

Sorry, I was trying to show this stuff goes all the way back to the fall of Adam.

U also asked me to show you ,with facts, how God was murderous. Well, seeing as christians are forever expounding the virtues of the bible as factual truth, ill give you just a few "facts" from the old testament....

No, you were talking about Jesus, your so called murderous, self centered man-god of Jewish ethnicity, as shown by your quote below.

Becuase it dosnt belive that salvation comes from kissing the posterior of a murderous, self centred man-god of jewish ethnicity?

If you could clear up the connection to between Baal and Nimrod that would be great. The Babylonians often deified theyre rulers, but ive found no evidence tha Nimrod claimed to be Baal incarnate.

You found no evidence that Nimrod claimed to be Baal because that claim was maid after Nimrod was dead.

The points your putting across can be found elsewhere, not only on ATS but on the whole internet, let alone books, radio, tv etc.

OK, use the Net to clear up your Nimrod Baal connection. Just use any combination of Nimrod, Baal, and Satan and you should get plenty of info.

I really want to get to you Islamic comment and reptiles so I won't bogg down further on this unless it is necessary.

sounds good to me. although one point.

I was referring to God. Yaweh, Elhohim whatever you wish to call him. No indeed jesus did not kill anyone. By "man-god of jewish ethnicity" i was referring to yaweh being the god of the israelites, and the tendadcy of the bible to give him human like quailities such as anger and jealousy etc. anyways, isnt the belief supposed to be that the father (yahweh)and the son(jesus christ) are one being? something called, oh now what was it.... the holy trinity or sumthing?

reptillians, you were saying...........

p.s. why is this on this forum? shoudlnt it be in the religious conspiracies board?

Thought it would be good to locate the origin of these Reptilians that so many people at ATS are looking for.

David Icke tells you about the Matrix that has been pulled over your eyes to keep you from the truth. He tells you about the New World Order and the Masons and what is going to happen in the world. He tells you about chip implants that are coming. He tells you about an ancient bloodline that he can trace to Nimrod and Semiramis in Babylon. All this is true and can be found in the Bible.

He tells you that he is just providing information and not trying to convince you of anything. Here's the information, you decide, he says. He just leaves out the very beginning and the very end.

Lets look at the end. He says if everyone bands together we can stop this New World Order from happening. Sorry, not true. What God has said, can't be stopped. Anti Christ is coming to set up his kingdom on earth. Nothing you can do about it. You have only one chance, one escape. The Messiah. The One. The Lion of the tribe of Judah. Jesus the Christ.

Icke tells you a small group of people control the world. He tells you about the banking system, and how wars are fought. He's right, and you see it and your eyes are open to the Matrix. But, they control all the gates, all the doors. You are not out yet. All that is happening, is that they are finding the people that are searching for the answer. Inside you, somethings not right, something is missing, something in this world just doesn't add up.

So they give you truth, and you see it, and you think you have the answer that you search for, THE TRUTH. Icke traces the ancient Reptilian bloodlines to Nimrod and Semiramis in Babylon. Why doens't he go one step further and tell you the full story. Nimrod had married his mother and at the death of Nimrod, Semiramis claimed that Nimrod was now the sun god Baal. Baal by the way is Satan. Lucifer was cast out of heaven. Lucifer means "Day Star", which is the sun. This is where the lie that deceives the world was created. It has many names and forms. It is the Matrix that you are blind to.

So Icke just fails to mention that these "ancient reptillian bloodlines" can be traced to Satan himself, the 'Great Deceiver'. The 'Serpent of Old' and his reptillian want nothing more than to keep you from the whole truth. No matter how much truth you get, if you miss the truth of the Messiah, you have missed it all, and they have won.

sounds good to me. although one point.

I'm glad it sounds good, and I understand your point.

reptillians, you were saying...........

Just posted.

p.s. why is this on this forum? shoudlnt it be in the religious conspiracies board?

I originally opened this in the religious forum and they moved the thread here. Look on page one or two, this has been brought up before. I will address your Islam post soon. Because.........

The Matrix rolls on..........

[edit on 13-3-2006 by Sun Matrix]