Cancer breakthrough!

btw, you can buy sauerkraut in a jar also.

I haven't been able to find out if the 'indol-3-carbonol' is found in uncooked cabbage. I've tried to make it 'fresh' a couple times and it comes out tasting pretty good... but it's never crispy.

Try it in the jar, it's much better that way!

quote: Originally posted by bsl4doc
I really wish you people would realize there is a world OUTSIDE of your own borders in USA. Why would it make sense for the governments of Canada, France, UK, Italy, Germany, Spain, etc. to continue to pay for treatments instead of cures? .



Do you not understand the amount of money involved in treating one cancer patient? Especially somebody who get's sick at a young age, and they can fight it off for a decade or so.... with massive amounts of treatment.
Do you believe that if a scientist or a research institution were to discover a single or multi dose CURE for cancer that it would get past one of this worlds four 'gene giants'? Much less all four of them, somehow it would get 'squashed' before it could be brought to the FDA for approval,
and they would never approve it because the people who would lose hundreds of billions of dollars on cancer treatment would provide so many conflicting studies of the same drug, that it would just be swept under the rug.

If a cure for cancer didn't exist, wouldn't the 'big boys' be working towards a cure? Instead of working towards higher priced cancer patient care?

When 50% of the men and 35% of the women in THIS country are going to develop some form of cancer in their lifetime, the drug industry is the next best thing to the oil-industry. I know your not naive enough to believe that they are going to let somebody produce a cure that will eliminate the monoply they have in treating us.

Ok submersible, try to wrap your mind around this one. The FDA only effects ONE country in the entire world. And those companies making money off of cancer treatments? They have no control over the medical treatment of individuals in socialized health systems, i.e. every western nation other than the USA. Do you not think Italy, France, Germany, UK, Spain, Switzerland, Austria, etc would JUMP at the chance to cure cancer and drop their medical costs as a nation? Of course they would. They are not gaining anything at all by merely treating cancer instead of curing it. And, I hate to break it to you, very few of the world's new drugs and vaccines have come from the USA. Most of them are created here in Europe or in Canada, outside of the reach of your FDA.

~MFP

Originally posted by bsl4doc
Italy, France, Germany, UK, Spain, Switzerland, Austria, etc would JUMP at the chance to cure cancer and drop their medical costs as a nation? ~MFP

Do you have any sources that give evidence to your claims, I mean, can you find an article for me from Italy, France, Germany, UK, Spain, Switzerland, Austria, etc that shows in 'wording' that they are looking for a cure?
All we have to go by here is the wording of the 'news' articles from our universities and 'elite' hospitals,
and clearly they are not looking for a cure.

Can you show me who is aggressively pursuing a 'solution' to the problem?

Do you have any sources that give evidence to your claims, I mean, can you find an article for me from Italy, France, Germany, UK, Spain, Switzerland, Austria, etc that shows in 'wording' that they are looking for a cure?
All we have to go by here is the wording of the 'news' articles from our universities and 'elite' hospitals,
and clearly they are not looking for a cure.

Can you show me who is aggressively pursuing a 'solution' to the problem

Go to scholar.google.com and search for "Cancer vaccine". Notice how most of the labs publishing research are outside of the United States. I also NEVER said the actual governments are researching this directly. They give federal funding but probably don't run any of the research themselves. Can you provide me with any sources as to why a socialized health care system would benefit more from cancer treatments instead of a cure? Do you even understand how our healthcare systems work over here? People pay higher taxes, this extra money goes into health care, and everyone has basic medical health care. This means that everytime someone goes to the hospital, the government must pay for whatever they need as far as treatment. Now, why would it be MORe beneficial to my government in Italy to pay for years of chemo for someone instead of one vaccine?

~MFP

I'm not trying to nail you down to every word you say lady, just trying to find out if ANYBODY is looking for the answers instead of more explanations and a better way to console cancer victims.
Isn't is 'unique' or odd that you can't find any information that shows where any of our governments are researching this directly?
My government put a man on the moon 30+ years ago, but for some reason finding a proper cure for cancer is not a 'priority'.

Do you understand how the pharmacutical industry functions in this country? They are two headed snakes that treat Americans like lab-rats and control the oil, seed, war and politics in this country as well.
It would seem that if the 'way of life' where you are is so different that your scientist would be leaps and bounds ahead of U.S. in this research....
if your medical system does not function like ours at the very least you should be able to claim that your country is working on some 'experimental' cures.
Yet it appears as if you have nothing encouraging to share as well.

Do you understand how the pharmacutical industry functions in this country? They are two headed snakes that treat Americans like lab-rats and control the oil, seed, war and politics in this country as well.
It would seem that if the 'way of life' where you are is so different that your scientist would be leaps and bounds ahead of U.S. in this research....
if your medical system does not function like ours at the very least you should be able to claim that your country is working on some 'experimental' cures.
Yet it appears as if you have nothing encouraging to share as well.

Do you understand I don't really care how the pharmaceutical companies work in the USA?

Oh, and here a links to the more prevalent cancer research in Italy from the Universities in Bologna and Milan. Notice they are on cancer vaccines and cytotoxic cell stimulation, as opposed to the treatments constantly researched in the USA.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
cancerres.aacrjournals.org...
www.pnas.org...
www3.interscience.wiley.com...

Anyone read the book by Kevin Trudeau, "Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About"? I'm reading it now and I gotta tell you I now believe something bad is going on behind the scenes of the U.S. government pertaining to the pharmaceutical companies, the FDA and the FTC. Kevin tells us how to be or become cancer free! He also says that the more perscriptions a doctor writes the more money he/she gets. Check out these links if you want more info.
www.naturalcures.com
www.thewhistleblower.com

-Quin

The man who wrote that book is a known quack who has spent time in jail for tax fraud related to another snake oil he was selling.

www.thesmokinggun.com...
www.consumeraffairs.com...

Kevin Trudeau has been banned in Boston, and everywhere else in the U.S.

Trudeau has also agreed to pay $2 million to settle charges that he falsely claimed that a coral calcium product can cure cancer and other serious diseases and that a purported analgesic called Biotape can permanently cure or relieve severe pain.

Trudeau, a prolific marketer who has either appeared in or produced hundreds of infomercials, is banned from appearing in, producing, or disseminating future infomercials that advertise any type of product, service, or program to the public, except for truthful infomercials for informational publications.

www.consumeraffairs.com...

He is a known menace to physicians trying to help their patients, and he tempts people to wander in dangerous, and often fruitless, treatments.
~MFP

[edit on 2/23/2006 by bsl4doc]

Originally posted by bsl4doc
The man who wrote that book is a known quack who has spent time in jail for tax fraud related to another snake oil he was selling.

www.thesmokinggun.com...
www.consumeraffairs.com...

Kevin Trudeau has been banned in Boston, and everywhere else in the U.S.

Trudeau has also agreed to pay $2 million to settle charges that he falsely claimed that a coral calcium product can cure cancer and other serious diseases and that a purported analgesic called Biotape can permanently cure or relieve severe pain.

Trudeau, a prolific marketer who has either appeared in or produced hundreds of infomercials, is banned from appearing in, producing, or disseminating future infomercials that advertise any type of product, service, or program to the public, except for truthful infomercials for informational publications.

www.consumeraffairs.com...

He is a known menace to physicians trying to help their patients, and he tempts people to wander in dangerous, and often fruitless, treatments.
~MFP

[edit on 2/23/2006 by bsl4doc]

Not surprising coming from a practicing physician. LOL! If you read his book ALL THE WAY THROUGH, you'll find specific cures for specific illnesses. 569 pages shouldn't be too difficult for a practicing physician.
Yes you can get a LOT more info on his website, but wouldn't it be worth $10 a month to learn how to become/stay perfectly healthy without drugs?
Oh wait......that might put you out of business, what was I thinking? My bad!

-Quin

[edit on 24-2-2006 by mytquin]

Not surprising coming from a practicing physician. LOL! If you read his book ALL THE WAY THROUGH, you'll find specific cures for specific illnesses. 569 pages shouldn't be too difficult for a practicing physician.
Yes you can get a LOT more info on his website, but wouldn't it be worth $10 a month to learn how to become/stay perfectly healthy without drugs?
Oh wait......that might put you out of business, what was I thinking? My bad!

-Quin

I'm not a practicing physician, first of all. I'm a third year student. Secondly, I live in Italy, doctors here aren't paid by patients or insurance companies like America, we are paid by the hour from the state. It's called social health care, look into it. Your nation is the only Western civilisation without it. Also, my residency position and specialisation will be in public health advocacy. It's very unlikely that I will ever be out of a job no matter what nut puts out a book, people will always need physicals, checkups, and basic medical needs. I'm just pointing out that this snake, Trudeau, has been pointed out as a fraud, has several credit card convictions, and is a criminal who has in fact spent time in jail. You trust this man with your health?

~MFP

Not surprising coming from a practicing physician. LOL!

bsl is a med student, not a practicing physician.

bsl let me just say this: if anyone was to come up with a cure for cancer (now I do understand that there are numerous types of cancer out there)...but, if someone were to come up with a real cure...chances are quite good that they would be killed before they even had a chance to share it with the world. And, if they managed to share it with the world before being killed, the medical industry, big pharma, etc....would trash it as quackery or nonesense and try to make the researcher look like an idiot and ruin his/her career.....

Because the poster of this thread is correct.....cancer is a serious money maker and the people that really control things are not about to lose the income that comes from treating cancer patients.....it is 2006 and we are still using barbaric treatments like chemotherapy and radiation to treat cancer. Sorry pal, but that is pathetic.

"Hey Dr. Smith great job destroying that cancer in the patient in 206. Too bad the treatment killed him, but that cancer is dead too. We are such wonderful people. The patient died, but we got you you naughty cancer!"

"You know Dr. Jones, I heard of this ridiculous treatment going on where the patient has the lump or growth removed and then instead of chemo and radiation, they give the patient massive doses of vitamin C, L-Lysene and Proline. And from what I understand, the cancer doesn't come back in these patients. We need to find out who is offering this treatment and put a stop to it. I mean, I have a $500,000 mortgage and of course the mortgage on the house in the Hamptons, the Mercedes S-Class and my wife needs diamonds, shoes and new outfits all the time. How are we supposed to survive when people are out there actually trying to make cancer go away in patients? Don't they understand how much money they can make by slowly killing the patient? What do some of those cheesy medical schools teach anyway? Personally, I went to Hahvahd!!"

[edit on 24-2-2006 by Excitable_Boy]

Originally posted by bsl4doc

Do you understand I don't really care how the pharmaceutical companies work in the USA?

Well you should be honey, there are only 4 'gene giants' or 'science giants' in this world, and they have much more control of your studies than you would are willing to accept.

It's hard to tell if your really obnoxious or just stubborn.

Oh, Look.... Monsanto in Italy too ?

ONE World.

Do you understand I don't really care how the pharmaceutical companies work in the USA?

They work the same all over the world my friend. Merck is based in Germany and was founded in Germany. Roche is based where? Sweden or some other Scandanavian country? You don't think Monsanto, DuPont, Pfizer, Glaxo-Wellcom, etc. etc. etc. have locations all over the world? Are you sure you really are a med student and not just playing one on the internet, because the statement of yours I quoted is quite naive for a med student to make. I would think you must have taken pharmacology by now and they must teach you about the various companies that make the drugs and where the companies are located...don't they teach that?

Or do they just teach you how to make money by writing lots of prescriptions and it really isn't important who makes the drugs or what's in them?

Or do they just teach you how to make money by writing lots of prescriptions and it really isn't important who makes the drugs or what's in them?

This right here tells me you have no idea how social healthcare systems work and thus I shouldn't debate it with you. It's not any fun to debate someone who lives in an alternate plane of reality. Do you realize that in the medical setting here in Italy (you can also apply this to the UK, France, Germany, and Spain), if I'm working for a public health hospital, I will make the same amount of money if I wrote 1 or 100 prescriptions in one day? I would also make the same amount if I told 100 people to take vitamin C or 100 people to take tamiflu. Same paycheck. My salary is dependant on time spent in the hospital seeing patients, not on what I prescribe, how I treat them, or whether they follow through with the treatment or not.

Oh, but thanks for being a presumptious jerk. Remember, it's better to keep your mouth closed and allow people to think you're a fool than to open it and prove them right.

~MFP

No, I'm not going to trust any one man with my health/life. That's why I am looking into the claims he has made as to the effectiveness of these natural cures. Trudeau lists hundreds of natural/alternative doctors and their respectful speciality in his members area. If you watch television at all, you can see how the drug companies all want us to become dependant on drugs for EVERY ailment under the sun. In my opinion, they're just
glorified drug pushers. Not to mention all the side effects these drugs cause. Is there a drug anywhere on the market that has actually CURED any illness? I'm just curious?

-Quin

Is there a drug anywhere on the market that has actually CURED any illness?

Chloroquinine (malaria), polio vaccine (polio), smallpox vaccine (smallpox), penicillin (many bacterial infections), ampicillin (bacteria of the middle ear and sinuses), tetracycline (streptomycin strains).

Those are just a few I can think of off the top of my head. These drugs, or a related drug, will most often cure an infection. However, just like natural medicine, everyone's body chemistry is different and certain drugs may be more receptive than others.

Also, I wasn't making statements about the osteopathic doctors Trudeau is bilking, I was referring to the idea that you will trust a known criminal before a doctor. But, according to Excitable_Boy, American's see doctors as criminals as well, apparently. Or maybe he's just a bit too paranoid.

~MFP

Originally posted by William One Sac
eating sauerkraut regularly reduces your chances of getting many types of cancer.

Maaaaan......I hate this crap too. Why can't it be something like coffee or candy or heck I'd even stretch it to broccoli. I guess I'll go buy some nose plugs and start eating nasty cabbage...

Originally posted by bsl4doc
1) Can you provide me with any sources as to why a socialized health care system would benefit more from cancer treatments instead of a cure?

2) Do you even understand how our healthcare systems work over here? People pay higher taxes, this extra money goes into health care, and everyone has basic medical health care.

3) This means that everytime someone goes to the hospital, the government must pay for whatever they need as far as treatment.

4) Now, why would it be MORe beneficial to my government in Italy to pay for years of chemo for someone instead of one vaccine?

~MFP

1) Because the powerful stay in power by saying that the cure is coming soon and the government is doing all it can on behalf of the people of such n such nation

2) Yup, you get the snot taxed out of you and get meat processing quality medical treatment, we have the same thing in the US military. And I also have a great many friends in others countries that back me when I say this, here is one now

Originally posted by mytquin
Anyone read the book by Kevin Trudeau, "Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About"? I'm reading it now and I gotta tell you I now believe something bad is going on behind the scenes of the U.S. government pertaining to the pharmaceutical companies, the FDA and the FTC. Kevin tells us how to be or become cancer free! He also says that the more perscriptions a doctor writes the more money he/she gets. Check out these links if you want more info.
www.naturalcures.com
www.thewhistleblower.com

-Quin

Sell the book on eBay I bought it for the same reasons you prolly did and this guy is a joke and snake oil salesman.

WOw I really have been neglecting this forum sry (been busy trying to solve a mystery) anyway I know I don't alot about healthcare systems in other places, so I am not going to get involved in that debate but I do know that IF (and this is a big if) a cure to cancer was found in the U.S., they wouldn't make it public or on the market for a while, but besides that I just wondered if anyone heard anything about the enzyme they said on the radio (570 a.m. WKBN and probally else where around a week ago today) that was present in all of the cancer cells (of 90% of the types of cancers) after it was cancerous, but was not present in them originally (before they were cancerous).