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What is so heinous about Abu Ghraib compared to what happens everyday in US prisons? Im sure there ordinary prisons over there are even or just as worse.
Originally posted by ImplementOfWar
American prisons are no better then Abu Ghraib. Here in Rhode Island each inmate is stripped naked continuosly to look for drugs and weapons(or other smuggled items). Complete with anal searches.
In solitary confinement unruly inmates are subdued with force, often resulting in injury. Induced injury.
What is so heinous about Abu Ghraib compared to what happens everyday in US prisons? Im sure there ordinary prisons over there are even or just as worse.
I recognize that it is just politics that is trying to demonize Abu Ghraib, but if they are so sensitive to this then why don't they visit the ACI here in Rhode Island.
Originally posted by darkfalcon1971
I would be the first to admit that naked prisoners in a pyramid is just a little bit strange, but normal rules of engagement do not aplly when dealing with suicidal religious fanatics. We've all seen the images of the london bombers walking into the underground as cool as cucumbers. Hell i bet they even smiled when they purchased their tickets. They are dealing with people who would slit there throats as soon as look at them. The troops are only human and can be expected to lose their temper every now and then.
Originally posted by C0le
Savages being treated as savages, whats the problem?
Originally posted by dawnstar I disagree that they'd be treating their captived in the same manner.....how many of the hostages have been televised completely nude. or in sexually demeaning positions? "
Originally posted by darkfalcon1971
Whatever you say shroomery! Your right i'm wrong i guess. What is it with people like you? You sit there in your ivory towers trying to put the world to rights, and if anybody's views do not match yours they must be a lower form of life, have a sub-standard IQ and be a GUN LOVING REDNECK.
As for thinking, phew! Think about this, your a soldier sent over to Iraq by your government to do a job, while your trying to do that job some little # is trying to blow you to bits with RPG or throwing petrol bombs at you.
Do you
A: Sit him down give him a cup of tea and ask him why he was such a naughty boy
B: Shoot him
C: Drag him off the street and give the little sod a good hiding
Originally posted by mikesingh
C'mon man, you Americans are a civilized society. But some Rambos out there are messing it all up.
Salon
Salon has obtained files and other electronic documents from an internal Army investigation into the Abu Ghraib prisoner-abuse scandal. The material, which includes more than 1,000 photographs, videos and supporting documents from the Army's probe, may represent all of the photographic and video evidence that pertains to that investigation.
The DVD containing the material includes a June 6, 2004, CID investigation report written by Special Agent James E. Seigmund. That report includes the following summary of the material included: "A review of all the computer media submitted to this office revealed a total of 1,325 images of suspected detainee abuse, 93 video files of suspected detainee abuse, 660 images of adult pornography, 546 images of suspected dead Iraqi detainees, 29 images of soldiers in simulated sexual acts, 20 images of a soldier with a Swastika drawn between his eyes, 37 images of Military Working dogs being used in abuse of detainees and 125 images of questionable acts."
The photographs we are showing in the accompanying gallery represent a small fraction of these visual materials. None, as far as we know, have been published elsewhere. They include: a naked, handcuffed prisoner in a contorted position; a dead prisoner who had been severely beaten; a prisoner apparently sodomizing himself with an object; and a naked, hooded prisoner standing next to an American officer who is blandly writing a report against a wall. Other photographs depict a bloody cell.
An unknown detainee with women's underwear on his head, strapped to a bed frame.
Originally posted by WHOFLUNGGUM
Really want to torture them? Wallpaper their cells with cartoons of the prophet.
Originally posted by Dr Love
Just in case anybody thinks this might in some way further hurt the Bush administration, I'd like to beg to differ. I think actually helps. BTW, I'm a moderate liberal and a realist.
These pictures will inflame the Muslims all over creation and they'll wratchet up the rioting, burning down of fast-food joints, and insurgency in Iraq. Fueling the anti-U.S. fire is good for the administration because the Muslim repercussions give said administration more reason to stay the course.
On a political note, the Democrats will use this to hammer Bush and in the process make everyone want to puke because it once again makes the Dems appear like they want to jump at every possible chance to attack the President.
If I told you people loyal to the Republican/Bush cause were responsible for leaking these photos.............would you believe me?
Peace
Originally posted by darkfalcon1971
A big thanks to Souljah for the link to the images, not seen one or two of them. As for evidence of torture i have to ask you, at what point in these images is anybody tortured?
Ok theres abuse, some of it quite perverted but not what i would class as torture. Hell, i bet we all know people who would pay to be strapped to a bed with a pair of womens undercrackers on their head. Lets not knock it before we try it.
As for the image of the dead man with buising to his eye and a split lip does this really show evidence of torture or are people seeing what they want to see? A man with bruises = torture? or was he involved in a motor accident, maybe his wife is pretty handy with her fists! Perhaps he forgot the milk when he went to the local supermarket.
Show me images of a man in a room with 2 or 3 US/UK soldiers pulling out his finger nails with pliers, thats torture!!
The Abu Ghraib files
279 photographs and 19 videos from the Army's internal investigation record a harrowing three months of detainee abuse inside the notorious prison -- and make clear that many of those responsible have yet to be held accountable.
Although the world is now sadly familiar with images of naked, hooded prisoners in scenes of horrifying humiliation and abuse, this is the first time that the full dossier of the Army's own photographic evidence of the scandal has been made public. Most of the photos have already been seen, but the Army's own analysis of the story behind the photos has never been fully told. It is a shocking, night-by-night record of three months inside Abu Ghraib's notorious cellblock 1A, and it tells the story, in more graphic detail than ever before, of the rampant abuse of prisoners there. The annotated archive also includes new details about the role of the CIA, military intelligence and the CID itself in abuse captured by cameras in the fall of 2003.
The Bush administration, which recently announced plans to shut the notorious prison and transfer detainees to other sites in Iraq, would like the world to believe that it has dealt with the abuse, and that it's time to move on. But questions about what took place there, and who was responsible, won't end with Abu Ghraib's closure.
WARNING: Photos contain disturbing images of violence, abuse and humiliation!!!
- "Standard operating procedure"
Chapter 1: Oct. 17-22, 2003
- "Dehumanization"
Chapter 2: Oct. 24-25, 2003
- "Sexual exploitation"
Chapter 3: Oct. 28-29, 2003
- "Electrical Wires"
Chapter 4: Nov. 1-4, 2003
- "Other government agencies"
Chapter 5: Nov. 4-5, 2003
- "Dog Pile"
Chapter 6: Nov. 7-9, 2003
- "Lacerations"
Chapter 7: Nov. 17-Dec. 9, 2003
- "Working Dogs"
Chapter 8: Dec. 12-30, 2003
- "Mentally deranged"
Chapter 9: Nov. 4-Dec. 2, 2003
- Videos from Abu Gharib
Chapter 10: 19 digital video clips depicting possible detainee abuse.