How do people feel about the rioting muslims?

Originally posted by The Big O

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
hey need to chill out and get jobs...

What if there are no jobs to get?

Then they shouldn't be having 8 kids each and
flooding the countryside with legions of uneducated
and unemployed hoodlums just wanting to cause
trouble.

Originally posted by Amethyst
I have nothing against Muslims--I just don't like Islam.

Now that being said, I think someone PURPOSELY stirred up a huge hornet's next. Remember--our government is yapping non-stop about wanting to attack Iran. They need an excuse.

Amethyst, you have never in your life been so right about anything.

You are one smart person. My sentiments exactly.

Originally posted by marg6043
Very simple centurion the reason that is riotings in some of European countries is because the governments in those countries are not doing anything to stop the rioters.

You want me to be honest, I will but my honesty will seem harsh this time.

I said take the darn rioters pack them in boxes and mail them to the countries the came from.

Let them have it in their own lands, there they can burn, destroy any property they want because it will be in their own lands.

How about that.

I am so sick and tire of the " We most be sensitive and we should not do nothing to offend Them that is making me gag every time I see the news on tv.

How about overy time one of them kill he or herself while killing anybody around because they are in mission.

Can somebody give me a frickin break.

OK, I feel much better now, did I offended anybody yet?

OK. Have to tell you I understood you loud and clear this time.

and ...

I liked your answer very much.

Amethyst

You nail it to the spot, somebody wants this riots to keep going and they also want the people to get mad and enraged about it.

That is why nobody is doing anything to stop them or at least bring some control to them.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
So, is it ok to judge a group because of the actions of a few or not??

The muslim riots around the world are hardly the actions 'of just a few'.

Now on to the question - how do I feel about the riots ...

The Muslims screwed up. Here was a GREAT chance for them
to educate the world and show it just exactly how it was a
'religion of peace' and that it was in no way even close to what
the cartoon depicted. They could have had boycotts, expressed
their unhappiness in a CIVILIZED way through the media. This
would have impressed upon the world that the Muslims were
indeed peaceful and civilized and educated and capable of
acting in a thoughtful manner.

Instead ... their actions just confirm what the cartoons depicted.

This is either a major missed opportunity for them ... or it is
a moment of enlightenment for the rest of the world to see
that those of this religion are indeed uncivilized.

Originally posted by marg6043
somebody wants this riots to keep going

Yes. The muslim leaders do. They want to riot and loot and kill.
Otherwise they wouldn't be doing it and calling their sheeple to
do so as well. There is no excuse for their behavior. None.
THEY want to bring a religious war. THEY think they can win
one and make the world Muslim.

Could the difference be that people in western countries generally work hard to better themselves and their living conditions, doing whatever it takes within their society?

Your Western Exceptionalist foundation is crooked. Might want to balance it with some reason. You live in America? If you do, you've seen the things people will do for a dollar to avoid working for it (or when there's no work around). Don't pretend you haven't.

All we seem to see in the middle east is people killing each other and destroying things, so that peolpe are constantly having to start over. No wonder.

Duh! Because you don't live in the ME, so you don't see the mundane. You only see the explosions big enough to make the highlights reel! You're watching reality through a periscope the size of a flys butt, trained on an enormous place halfway across the world! All we seem to see indeed, but that's not really the issue.

And please. Your argument about Christianity in the past being extremist is so weak. That's right, it was the past, and it was more like 800 to 1,000 years ago.

WRONG! Extremism remains today. Go back 100 years - uhm, POGROMS! Go back 200 years, Christian Identity and The Aryan Race Movement. Go back 300 years and good Christians were splitting the skulls of Indian babies with rifle butts to end their soul-less existence. Go back 400 years and Jews were being burnt by the village full by over-eager Christians ALL ACROSS EUROPE, full up on blood libel and fear by their friendly neighborhood priest.

What the Hell are they teaching in school these days!?

So, I don't think the middle east deserves some sort of pass for being backwards and uncivilized.

Neither does your 'side', y'all were made for each other.

Originally posted by wang
i doubt any of this would of happend if it wasnt for the war in iraq.

You are welcome to your opinion ... however these riots have
NOTHING to do with Iraq. Americans liberated Iraq from a madman
who was mass murdering Muslims. The Iraqis know this. They
are glad we liberated them. The Kuwaitis are glad we liberated
them from Saddam 15 years ago.

Also, our troops are starting to come home bit by bit. They'd
be home FASTER if those idiot insurgents would stop blowing up
and killing the Iraqis. The only reason we are there now is because
of the insurgents who claim to be trying to get rid of us. Morons.

The yahoos who are rioting would do so if we were in Iraq or not.

Marg, dgtempe--

It's just that I've never EVER heard about Muslims getting so riled up over something so trivial. (Of course I'm not that old--almost 33.)

I mean, couple that with all the posturing going on in Washington DeCeit and that's what one would come up with.

Someone's instigating it and fanning the flames. That's the gut feeling I have.

Originally posted by Amethyst

Someone's instigating it and fanning the flames. That's the gut feeling I have.

You are not alone Amethyst, you are not alone, I have some very nasty feelings that this year is going to be a very troublesome for human kind.

Even my daughter has some weird feelings.

Amethyst, Amen to that.

Inflamation will lead to blow up of incredible proportions. These people dont see that.

The more chaos, the better. Yes, Washington DeCeit (I like that one) is wet with joy on this one.

How do I feel about rioting muslims....
I'm not a big fan.
I'm not a fan of any riots actually.

Nope, not a tree hugger, I'm a big fan of the second amendment here in the states.

It actually just seems silly to me.

I remember in 2001, I was working for a company called Network Plus. It has since filed chapter 11 and gone under.
I was in the NOC when planes were flown into the towers in NY.
Now I ain't a NY fan at all since I'm from boston....
But at that moment, I thought...."What kind of nuts just did this?"

that's right NUTS.

I wasn't out in the street screaming for the fall of all of islam or anything like that. in fact, I didn't burn anything or hurt anyone, not even anyone that looked like they were from the middle east. Should I have?

Denmark, a rather neutral country if I can say so, does a couple cartoons and there is rioting in the streets, but 2000 some odd americans die and my govornment decides to go to war, but I'm standing right here. No riots, no burning of temples or anything, no religious undertones. No killing of anyone.

It's a mad world these days and it all depends on who's eyes you have.

-DT

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Then they shouldn't be having 8 kids each and flooding the countryside with legions of uneducated and unemployed hoodlums just wanting to cause
trouble.

Bit of a broad statement there.

Who has the right to dictate the fornucation rights of another human being?

I seriously doubt they have 8 kids each.

That is the same stupid argument people use about low income blacks, "Stop having so many kids, they just end up shooting each other and robbing people."

Anyone else here read Jihad vs. McWorld by Benjamin Barber? It does a very good job explaining the cultural shift going on in the greater muslim world, and how and why there is resistance to globalization and capitalism.

-O

This cartoon episode is a VERY heated situation. I can see where IRL it is causing such destructive behavior. I can see how it is causing members to post their feelings.

Please think before you post.
I think it is good to debate issues. We are talking about the rioters, not all Muslims, not all Islamists, not all middle easterners. and if we cannot do it respectfully, this thread will be closed.

I know ya been jumping on me DTOM, but the name of the post IS "How do you feel"

It's not what are you doing about it, or anything.

change the title.

-DT

Originally posted by The Big O
I wonder.... if we weren't in Iraq right now, would this being going on?

I don't mean this in a "pull out of Iraq right now" type of way.

I mean it in a "it's fashionable to be anti-west right now" in the Muslim world sort of way.

Any thoughts on that?

Do you think the fervor would be as high right now?

-O

When has it not been fashionable for the Arab world and "street" to be anti-west. It is a good way to divert attention from problems at home.

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No, I think the problem is much deeper than Iraq...eventually it goes back to not allowing Israel to exist in peace with it's neighbors.

[edit on 7-2-2006 by pavil]

I think the rioting is retarded. Oh wow we made a cartoon about your religion boo hoo. They're the ones going around spouting off about how christians are pigs and how all this crap is messed up. They enjoy dissing our religion so joyfully and we make a cartoon and they start rioting. Theyre acting like children.

i doubt any of this would of happend if it wasnt for the war in iraq.
You are welcome to your opinion ... however these riots have
NOTHING to do with Iraq. Americans liberated Iraq from a madman
who was mass murdering Muslims. The Iraqis know this. They
are glad we liberated them. The Kuwaitis are glad we liberated
them from Saddam 15 years ago.

No United States liberated iraq for intrest, while the foot soldier might care for isues like that it does not really matter because who planed it planed it for intrest and not for people.
Go vote for bush in the after life.

The only reason we are there now is because
of the insurgents who claim to be trying to get rid of us. Morons.

The only reason we are all there coalition, us forces is because bush lied to us LIVE ON TV , osama and bush are parteners in weapons busines, their involved deep in the us weapons industry, if you cant see that WAR is bussines for them that is your problem.

For muslims now, you are all so naive because thats what they want they want to start a confilct and you all felt for it.
But it does iritate me when i see you all with banners like that, but i got over it, i had a little flame but i do not like to make irational decisions.
What scares me is that you can become like them and play their stupid game.
My edvice is educate your self as good as posible and become friends with
the west world with people not goverments!!!!!
Thats the only way to fight it, it is the worse thing that can hapen to this war campain.
When there in no more people willing to drive tanks no more people to operate the planes to bomb to do their job thats when they will lose.

People are just people and monsters are monsters if we separate from each other we can coexist in peace.
I dont tolerate fanatics but i tolerate muslims and i got nothing agaist them, i hope that people that protested with baners of disturbing quoteing are just people in the end and not something else.
One last hope for humanity, i belive we are on the verge of auto destruct.
If we cant live in peace then we dont deserve this planet we dont deserve
what god gave to us and we are all a bunch of pigs.

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[edit on 7-2-2006 by pepsi78]

The "Christians/Jews/etc. did this..." is a straw man argument in my opinion. Why? Simple-

1)The crusades were conceived as a defensive war by the population, the popes later on did some amazingly cruel things but it was never a war of conquest per se (except for the seizure of Jerusalem in the first one, but that was simply the retaking of what was thought as former Christian land- Palestine was the most Christianized society in the world for a brief period of time before Muslims came in and killed everybody).

2)The inquisition was never a popular movement in Christian history. Torquemada was given by the Queen of Spain a private battalion of 500 men to prevent his murder. See also the context- the Spanish Reconquista was being carried out, there were important political motives in checking if Muslims were delivering vital information to the Moors. Also the money involved was the primary reason the Kings and Queens of Spain allowed it (the coffers were empty and the best way to fund a war against Muslims and projects such as trade with the East was to seize the property of those who helped the Moors. Ironic isn't it?)

3)There is NO teaching in Christianity which incites a war of conquest or clash of civilizations. None whatsoever. Christianity teaches a universal brotherhood in which all people can be members and struggle is to be subdued to the minimum as testimony of our Good will. Islam on the other hand teaches the conquest and subjugation of other peoples until they obey Islam. There are limits to what Christians can do to advance their faith. Military action and violence of any sort is not one of them ( want an example? Here- Paul once ordered a slave to return to his former owner so he could be converted and further the cause of Christ. The former slave gladly did it. Mohammed would teach that the slave should go back and kill the master as Jihad).

One thing people always forget about the struggles of Christendom- most of the bloodier ones (ie: 100 years war, some of the crusades) were perptrated by Christians against Christians. That says that Christendom is SPLINTERED into many many distinct groups. Thus lumping the papacy along with protestants, throwing in Jehovah's witnesses and Anabaptists in the mix is a "slightly" reductionist approach.

...not to forget, history is meant to be a lesson learnt, not repeated. No sense dredging up the past. We are living in the present and the situations we face are of the present, even if it were leftover from our barbaric pasts, if it needs to be said.

We are not beasts nor savages, living in this century, so is there a need to destroy, kill and murder innocents just to get a point across? Those who do so are only asking to be treated as savages no matter what crap they mouth.