Muslim Bashing rampant on ATS

Why are non muslims not allowed in mecca?

That kind of shocks me that a religon denies someone a whole city. Wow that is messed up.

You can build a mosque in Rome. I want religon parity and fairness. Where is my cathedral in mecca?

I have never witnessed any Muslim bashing on ATS. I don't think I have really seen any bashing of anyone of any religion on ATS besides Christians.

I understand that in a place like this you're going to have that from time to time, so I don't let it get to me.

im not a racists or anything , but when i hear the word muslim i get frustrated and mad. i do not like religion and some religions are more worse than others, in my opinion. i beleive god is in all our hearts and we were put on this planet to learn. whatever path we take is a learning exsperience. these learning exsperiences ,( i call differences, some call predjudices) we need to strive to the inner power of love, not hatred. wether you have a predjudice of people white or black, asian , indian or whatever, if you are a murderer, a rapeist, thief or whatever, all are learning exsperiences. hopefully we people go toward the good side of learning. the bible, i beleive was a tool to let people know what is good and what is bad. now everything in time has gotten out of whack, new versions of bibles and new religions , the works. all out of whack. I WISH GOD WOULD COME DOWN AND STRAIGHTEN US OUT. take the bad off the planet and start a new. TERRORISTS OUT THERE ARE E V I L.

God does not take sides. And IMHO what we see as evil, God would see as necessary. Else there would not be any life.

Now try figuring out what I meant by saying that..

I choose to view the current situation with the Muslims as a cumulative result of events in the past.

Originally posted by TheBandit795

I choose to view the current situation with the Muslims as a cumulative result of events in the past.

On this . . . I will disagree with you, occurs I have not read the entire thread so I am going to go for what the tittle said.

I see the current situation with the Muslim as a cumulative present US administration propaganda to make the attacking, invasion and destabilization of the middle east and the destruction in Iraq a good reason of good versus evil and a crusade to save Christians around the world.

Why I feel like this. . . because Bush war of profiteering also has a hidden religious agenda.

Have you been at BTS lately,or even the "Conspiracies in Religion" forum? I don't think that Islam has been anymore "bashed" that Christianity has. Both religions are coming under attack due to the perceived attempt by Muslims and Christians to further their dominion over the earth. Hold your hat,bub,cause it's going to get much,much worse.

[edit on 5-12-2006 by SpeakerofTruth]

There does seem to be a contingent of posters here that have an agenda re: forming public opinion on this group of people for their own objective reasons. Just like there is people that deny 911 was an inside job and other issues.

Muslims are people and have to be taken as such eg. each one as the person they are.

Otherwise generalizations are not sensible.

Originally posted by noisy_brit_kid
Isit just me, or is there a helluvalot of muslim bashing on ATS at the moment. I mean, not every muslim is a suicide bomber, and some of you peeps are simply ignorant of muslim culture, foor instance, how many times do i hear people advertising the greatness of the United states free speech, and the fact muslim countries are suppresive and anti-freedom-2 words-Patriot Act-i mean comon', i accept that there is alot of erosion of civil liberties in Islaminc countries, but not much more than in the us, or even the UK. It is just startijng to really anoy me and it buggs me every time i hear a snide comment about muslims being terrorists, or bloodthirsty animals, plese share your views on this.

Awwww! them poor muslims...

hopw about the american bashing on these boards?

1. This was in ’94 or ’95. The memories of being chased by Muslim men through the streets of Paris as they yelled "infidel dog" feels my heart with great love for this peace loving religion. All I had done was to go shopping in an area of Paris which was mostly Arab and was buying some vegetables to make a stew. (Not knowing the fact that certain areas in Paris were no go's I had no idea that this would happen. It was not something which the city govt. wanted known, it would hurt tourism) I was wearing a white T-shirt and khaki shorts and my red hair made me stand out a bit, I guess. (Note: a few picked up some cobbles and threw them at me, none hit me, which I thought was very kind of these peace loving people).

2. (Some of the logistics in this story may not be accurate, I was in shock for quite a while and some of it is blurred it was so horrible.) I lived a 5 minute walk from St. Michel metro station which is located at the edge of the Seine. The St. Michel line continues on under the river and is part of a network of metro tunnels. One day a very peaceful Muslim bought some propane canisters for camp stoves, he rigged them and put them in his backpack. (This next part was told to the news there by a survivor, a little old lady who had lived through the Nazi occupation of Paris). It was rush hour and the commuters were packed like sardines in the metro cars. The stop before St. Michel a 20 something Muslim got on board with his backpack. This lady saw him jam his backpack under one of the seats as there was no room to stand with it and he grabbed a hand grip hanging from the ceiling to stay steady as the metro moved to its next stop.

At St. Michel he got out and with the doors still open looked in at all the people, the lady yelled that he had forgotten his backpack. He stared back with his dead black eyes and grinning he flipped the finger at them all and said “Praise Allah!” and “Die Infidels” as the doors closed. She realized that this might be related to the recent bombings of the Algerian Muslims and she yelled to everyone to push to the back of the car as much as possible and she did as well. The backpack exploded and 80 people were killed in that car. I heard the explosion and ran outside my apartment as did everyone else in the area and soon we realized what had taken place. My husband and I watched them carry the bodies out of the metro on stretchers; they soon ran out of these and had to send for more from all over the city. Other bombs went off at almost the same time and later upon interviewing “friends” of the bombers it was discovered that the plan had been to flood the metro tunnels and drown everyone (thousands) by strategically bombing and bursting the walls of the underwater metro lines.

3. Explosives were found in the cargo hold of a large passenger flight, its route was to fly directly over central Paris and the plan which was called in to a newspaper was to explode the plane over Paris and rain blood and body parts across the city. Their over-all goal was to finish what the Nazis had not, they said. This was in the early ‘90s, and from that point on Paris was considered a city under seige once again. Armed military were stationed all over the city and there were continued bombings and attacks on schools, the younger the victims, the better is what they announced through various media.

4. Walking to a Jewish bakery close to my home (thy have wonderful cheesecake there) two Arab men started following me, their wives were with them, but they were walking several steps behind the men. The peaceful kind Muslims were having a wonderful early evening stroll yelling out, “Infidel whore!” “ Let’s go f__k!” and continued to describe what they wanted to do to the said Infidel whore. Once again, I was wearing a white T-shirt with Khaki shorts and tennis shoes, not really out of line, it was clear they were cruising the Jewish district for someone to harass; it being so close to dinner time all the policemen were having their dinners so I ducked into the bakery and stayed there until they left. When I got home my husband and one of his associates went to go find them but they were gone. This was in ’94 or ’95.

5. And consider this also; a close friend of mine is a scholar of the Quran, he is from Turkey and just recently went back to help take care of his parents and he is now teaching courses on the Quran there. When he first moved here he spent most of his time with the Muslims in our area from Iran, though some called it Persia. He introduced me into the group and we all had many dinners together. After awhile I noticed that he had stopped visiting with them and I asked him why.

He explained to me that though they are over-all good people they feel obligated to be anti-American, anti-Christian, anti-anything that is not Muslim and that he did not agree with them on this. I said that I never got that impression from them and he explained further saying that the discussions he was referring to usually occurred after dinner, away from the women and that the men would all spend the evening talking about how they hate America (though it had educated them and had given them a livelihood) and would recount with pride the double dealings they had performed on infidels that day and would plan with excitement more to follow. All the men joined in, some out of fear of not being considered a good Muslim, others for the feeling of superiority over all others that it gave them.

He argued the Quran with them for many nights to try to change their views but in the end they considered him a bad Muslim. From then on he spent his evenings with Americans and he said that it was refreshing just to be who he is, a true Muslim and that it broke his heart that so many had twisted the meaning of his religion. This was in the early 80s.

STM

Note: I just went and googled the metro attack for the first time and I see that I was wrong on the number of people killed in the attack, my French was never very good, and the people being carried out on stretchers were in many cases unconscious so that was my fault to think they were dead. 8 were killed, 200 injured. I did notice that Wiki was incorrect, totally incorrect, to say that the bomb was on the platform, I'll never forget hearing the little old lady's account of it, ever. It was a horrible moment in history, and I pray that it never happens again. STM

[edit on 5-12-2006 by seentoomuch]

Originally posted by seentoomuch
He explained to me that though they are over-all good people they feel obligated to be anti-American, anti-Christian, anti-anything that is not Muslim and that he did not agree with them on this.

OK, now do you think that this kind of thought applies to the very large numbers of muslin in the US? because muslin is not limited to Arab descendant you know also is many born Americans that has converted to Islam and live in our nation.

Can we claim that all of them are American haters while been Americans themselves? Plotting for our demise? Or should we think about just on the religious issues?

Still its nothing more than good versus evil and if is not Christian then it most be evil an they want to kill us.

@ Marg

Well,there is definitely a war between good and evil being fought. However,I think in the present world system, we have very backwards ways of defining who exactly is good and who is evil. While both Muslims and Christians will jump and down claiming to be "forces of good," are they? I mean really? Look at the history of Islam. Look at the history of the Church. I don't know about anyone else,but neither one of their histories are very indicative of those who fight on the "side of good," to me.

Now, I can go on and on and on about this,but I will spare you. I think that when people look for the forces of good, he/she will have to look in another direction other than the "Big" three world religions as they currently exist.

Originally posted by marg6043

Originally posted by seentoomuch
He explained to me that though they are over-all good people they feel obligated to be anti-American, anti-Christian, anti-anything that is not Muslim and that he did not agree with them on this.

OK, now do you think that this kind of thought applies to the very large numbers of muslin in the US? because muslin is not limited to Arab descendant you know also is many born Americans that has converted to Islam and live in our nation.

Can we claim that all of them are American haters while been Americans themselves? Plotting for our demise? Or should we think about just on the religious issues?

Still its nothing more than good versus evil and if is not Christian then it most be evil an they want to kill us.

Yes, this “obligation” is made known to the majority of Mid Eastern Muslims as well as Muslims from surrounding countries and when they immigrated here some of their religious leaders also came over to encourage them to obey it or they would be considered bad Muslims which is considered to be a very serious charge. My friend told me these wrong teachings also put converted Muslims and black Muslims in a substandard category and that they were not to be included in anything of importance but that they should be utilized when needed. This really made him angry and frustrated and he said it was like knocking his head against a brick wall to dissuade them of these ways. The people he was trying to help either said that due to his coming from Turkey he was of a lower class of Muslim so therefore should not be listened to or they turned their back on him and told him he was a bad Muslim; he was shunned by them and at that time he agreed not to speak with them again.

As for it being a religious issue, yes it is, but with the understanding that these people consider their religion their government, wherever they may be. The laws they recognize are from their religion and though they may take the oath of citizenship here they are told that it is okay to lie to the authorities (as they do not recognize them as having authority over them and that they are infidels) so their oath of citizenship means nothing. I’m sure that many will deny this and some honestly so (I don’t believe they’re all this way) but it would be impossible to know who is telling the truth and who is not.

I don’t know the answer to this conflict; I have no idea how we could deal with it and not intrude on the good and honest Muslims out there that haven’t been perverted by these wrong teachings though according to my friend from what he experienced they are in the minority here. Perhaps if they made a stand and cleaned out their own house of these ways (they do know who is promoting these teachings), this conflict over time would end. My friend stressed re-education for these people and perhaps once cleaned out the minority could start promoting the true Islam.

Whew! I feel like I’m in a think tank, my brain is now officially drained, all those memories took their toll on me and now looking at the bigger picture it is disheartening so I think I’ll take a break for a bit and go to the music section or something. Good luck y’all, it’s a sticky wicket you’re working on here,

STM


[edit on 5-12-2006 by seentoomuch]

i think the biggest problem is the term "islamofascist"

it's a stupid term to use
it's ignorant
and there is no clear, concise definition
that generality lets it be applied to any muslim that disagrees with US policy

@ Madness

Islamofacism is a term that is directed towards those who, like Bin Laden, want to see a return to 7th century dominance by Islam. Now, generally speaking, those who want this to happen are of very militant nature..

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
@ Madness

Islamofacism is a term that is directed towards those who, like Bin Laden, want to see a return to 7th century dominance by Islam. Now, generally speaking, those who want this to happen are of very militant nature..

but the problem is that they aren't a coherent group to say the least, and cannot be categorized as 1
and that they are not actually fascists, they favor THEOCRACY
that would make them theocrats

the problem is that it isn't as catchy for people like bill o'reilly to say

Originally posted by noisy_brit_kid
Isit just me, or is there a helluvalot of muslim bashing on ATS at the moment. I mean, not every muslim is a suicide bomber, and some of you peeps are simply ignorant of muslim culture, foor instance, how many times do i hear people advertising the greatness of the United states free speech, and the fact muslim countries are suppresive and anti-freedom-2 words-Patriot Act-i mean comon', i accept that there is alot of erosion of civil liberties in Islaminc countries, but not much more than in the us, or even the UK. It is just startijng to really anoy me and it buggs me every time i hear a snide comment about muslims being terrorists, or bloodthirsty animals, plese share your views on this.

Well the facts are the facts.

muslins hate progress and modernity...

they love mass muderers like sodham and grieve for the scumbag...

they all want to go back to the dark caves....

they pride themselves on inventing zero. pun intended.

arabs need americans to operate complex machinery...

all their media is state contolled and indulge in an orgy of anti-american propaganda...day and night..

they have no welfare states..

they lose every war with isreal...

they hate women but rape them when they can get away with it...

they have zero inventive capability....and harp on how they invented aljebra... 1200 years ago and zero since...

fact is muslins are always doomed to be the under dog...they want to travel back in time to medievil times...

they hate democracy...
and free speech
the religious freaks control them all..i mean one word and they all go on a rampage...

they are hypocrits and abuse the religion they are so devoted to...

islam is split into hundreds of factions...

the above are facts which you can glean by reading or watching cnn or foxnews or just observing thier behaviour...

far more Christian and Jew bashing on this forum. It is after all a conspiracy site, and the conspiracy theorists aren't too keen on Christians (vatican etc) or Jews (israel, mossad, bankers etc)

There may be a few isolated cases of people attacking the muslim faith, but the vast majority of this resentment is directed at the fanatics.

It is clear that the racist on ATS have never lived in a muslim country and Saudi is not a real muslim country with its puppet royal family that is owned by the US goverment.

Its clear most of you are not really interested in the truth and are just confused with bad programming.

Originally posted by noisy_brit_kid
Isit just me, or is there a helluvalot of muslim bashing on ATS at the moment...plese share your views on this.

Well, frankly, who cares? We can't love everybody and we can't love everything. Life's a b****. If Muslims want respect then they should encourage their brethren elsewhere to stop acting like savages and start acting like they belong to the human race.

You asked for feedback, so NO WHINING.

The last time I looked the USA wasn't chopping people's heads off or cutting the hands off. Freedom of religion in Muslim countries is non-existant. Muslims are exterminating Christians in Africa. The Muslims in IRAN don't believe in the Holocaust. It is pretty clear to me were Muslims stand.