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Missile barrage on advancing carrier battle groups
A few seconds after the "blackout", literally hundreds of short and medium-range ballistic missiles (DF7/9/11/15s, DF4s, DF21X/As, some of which are maneuverable) pre-positioned on the Chinese mainland, and stealthy, sea-skimming and highly-accurate cruise missiles (YJ12s, YJ22s, KH31A/Ps, YJ83s, C301s, C802s, SS-N-22s, SS-NX-26/27s, 3M54s & HN3s) delivered from platforms on land, sea and air race toward their respective designated targets at supersonic speed.
Aircraft carriers are allotted a barrage of more than two dozen cruise missiles each, followed by a barrage of short and medium-range ballistic missiles timed to arrive in rapid succession.
Originally posted by rogue1
Gee no sources yet you claim it has a detection range of 500 km sigh.
Posted by ChinawhiteKJ-2000 is a much large plane with a much more powerful radar so im just assuming it can at least go 50km more so about 500km
Consider this the Chinese wouldn't be tring to aquire the Phalcon if it wasn't superior to anything the Chinese have.
Ahem, once again you forget what you say. You said that they would use AWACS type aircraft as one of the sensors to find CBG's for targetting by this so called anti-ship ballistic missile.
Originally posted by chinawhite
Look inot a technology called TVM. Its used on sams. The guiding radar paints the target and keeps radar lock on it until it hits the target. THe AWACS will be flying some distance away and wouldn't be under immident danger from US fighters because its such a large distance away.
What the downside of this technology used on SAMs is they SAM radar has to keep radar locked on it unitl it hits and this leaves room for anti-radation missiles. While the AWACS is not under pressure from Anti-radation missiles because of the sheer distance away. And a ballistic missile can travel a lot faster than any fighter i know
Originally posted by mad scientist
An ICBM RV reenters at speeds of 7km/s whilst and IRBM is only 3.5km/s. As for a Glonass/GPS system, this seems a bit far fetched that it can achieve accuracies of 3-4m for and IRBM. The US uses GPS on their latest Miunuteman warheads and can't achieve an accuracy close to that. The US military GPS is far more accurate than what the Chinese would be using, which would be the commercial version, combine this with the US ability to detune GPS over certain areas and Chinese missile accuracy would be woeful.
As for GLONASS, it has very limited coverage and is far less accurate than GPS.
but the mean problem here is that I don't think ICBMs and other types of missiles are very effective again air craft carriers, because they don't have enough penitrate powers.
Originally posted by WestPoint23
Five minute flight time? A bit optimistic aren't we?
There will be more time than that between finding out where the carrier is and when the missile actually hits.
BTW how is China going to find out the exact position of a US carrier 300-400 miles offshore?
And last but not least I would like to see how an active guided IRBM will react to an airspace coved with Chaff and other radar enhancing countermeasures.
Originally posted by xmotex
Aerial, satellite, or subsurface recon, same ways we would.
Originally posted by xmotex
Same way any other missile would. Only considering that the IRBM will be coming in from high altitude, looking down at the deck - well a big, flat CVN deck is kind of a hard radar target to miss when you're looking right down on it it, no matter how good it's countermeasures are.
Originally posted by WestPoint23
I’d think in a war we’d have an advantage in terms of electronic warfare and denial of information over the Chinese.
Coming in at a 45 degree angle and at very high speed its going to have to search a 10 mile radius which by itself isn't easy but when that area is covered to an extent with chaff and countermeasures capable of generating a carrier size RCS its going to have to decide which one to go after real quick.
Personally I see a lot of problems with this means of attack and I don't think its as capable against moving targets as some do.
Originally posted by orangetom1999
Any of you people have any idea of how a CVN is actually built?? I dont mean what little they show you on the Discovery Channel but where the ship is especially reinforced...verses say the not so reinforced areas. Double hulled...etc etc.
Originally posted by devilwasp
Question is though, can the PLA fire a ballistic missile system before the AWACS is shot down and can it be done before the carrier moves?
After a little searching all I found was the DF-5 ICBM which has a CEP of :500 - 3,500 meters, not exsactly the sword needed to hit a carrier battle group.
Also its a one shot device not MIRV , thus reducing the effective chance of hitting the target.
Can an ICBM/SRBM/MRBM be reprogrammed in its final stage or even in its mid phase to account for an ever shifting target?
Originally posted by orangetom1999
Any of you people have any idea of how a CVN is actually built?? I dont mean what little they show you on the Discovery Channel but where the ship is especially reinforced...verses say the not so reinforced areas. Double hulled...etc etc.
Originally posted by ORIEguy
TVM sounds absolutely wonderful...but if it was that easy, trust me we'd have it working by now. Want an example? Use AWACS to extend the firing range of SARH missiles like SM-2 against sea skimmers.
One of the things I find rather amusing is how everyone ignores the fact that Taiwan is part of the battle as well.
Depends on the RV. Exoatmospheric RVs are very hard to intercept because they're SO FAST. That's why we go for the kinetic kill.
AEGIS is fully computerized, will detect sub missiles, and will fire accordingly.
And you also completely are ignoring the fact that we have more subs, and would use them.
Super Bugs use LO technology
A system like this would take at least 10-15 years to properly test and mass produce...and it would have to probably take huge precedence over everything else.