TERRORISM: Al-Jazeera Aires New Bin Laden Tape

I agree the continued release of bin Laden tapes doesn't help Pres. Bush. I don't think its even about him anymore. That's why I think he may be impeached. His political capital is pretty much used up, imo. The philosophy behind the MIC is use 'em up, toss 'em aside, and move on to the next one.

The bin Laden tapes, as you demonstrate, keep the fear and anxiety going, which is their real purpose. Relaxed, peaceful people are more difficult to manipulate. If we don't get wound up enough to suit the PTB, or if we start to question their motivations, or start to discern via their actions their malintent (an old word I just made up), they threaten a WMD strike on US soil. If we won't go along with the program, maybe they'll arrange a demonstration. This must not be allowed to happen.

I know this is an alternative perspective, but I find it no less valid for its novelty.

Originally posted by Crakeur


Lastly, I might want to remind y'all that the last time this madman offered a truce, the London Subways were bombed.

and OBLs speech led us to understand that AQ had ideas & plans
in the works already....

i'm sure that he and the AQ organization know for certain that the condition for a 'truce' will not start anytime soon
(i.e. the impeachment or removal of Pres. Bush, & administration)

as far as plans they had working, i, youse, & the gov't have already done some study on this potential target= see: PDF article
The Terrorist Threat Aginst Gas and Oil Sectors-
The Alaska Pipeline & Port Valdez are important parts of this study,
published Sept 2005

Originally posted by zappafan1
"....Bush is low in the ratings, the only thing the republicans have got going for them is this war on terror and so now their dragging this out again. Have you guys noticed that Bin laden is Bush's greatest political buddy? Anytime Bush gets low in the ratings out comes Bin Laden waving. God their getting so predictable."

REPLY: The rating were up before the tape; Research....

I have done the research even though he may have come up a point or two from the lowest of any president in history, his ratings are still low and bound to get even lower with this Abramoff trial going on and all the republicans being named for taking bribe money.

Originally posted by managerie
al-Qaeda is planning to hit New York, Cincinnati, San Francisco, Montreal, Atlanta, Dallas and Washington DC all on the same day, Monday, 1/23,
4 days from now. This tape was the signal to commence the final stages.

This will cause the US to seriously reconsider bin Ladens negotiations for a truce. It is possible that, as Chuck Colson saw in his recent vision (1/3/06) on townhall.com, that we will pull our troops out of the middle East after this one happens if it is sufficiently devastating.

OK lets start the hour clock looks like another vision/prediction is about to bite the dust.

It is almost 1/24/06 in the UK so we have 6 hours left here then add 2 for SF so we have 8 hours total.



[edit on 1/23/2006 by shots]

Originally posted by df1
If we had a declared war this arguement might hold water, but since we don't your all wet. Sorry to burst your right wing fantasy.
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So the war in Iraq was not declared?.... nor the war on terrorism and those nations that back those who want to attack the west?....

i think we all know who is living in a fantasy world.

Originally posted by goose
I have done the research even though he may have come up a point or two from the lowest of any president in history, his ratings are still low and bound to get even lower with this Abramoff trial going on and all the republicans being named for taking bribe money.

If i remember correctly Clinton won the elections in 1992 with 43% of the popular votes.

On November 3, Bill Clinton won election as the 42nd President of the United States by a wide margin in the U.S. Electoral College, despite receiving only 43 percent of the popular vote. It was the first time since 1968 that a candidate won the White House with under 50 percent of the popular vote.

Excerpted from.
en.wikipedia.org...

Just wanted to show you that you were wrong, and obviously did not do research like you claimed.


BTW, what is this about people claiming this is an election year?

The next elections for president are in 2008, and I really doubt president Bush is going to "steal the elections" like some are claiming.


[edit on 23-1-2006 by Muaddib]

Originally posted by Muaddib

Originally posted by goose
I have done the research even though he may have come up a point or two from the lowest of any president in history, his ratings are still low and bound to get even lower with this Abramoff trial going on and all the republicans being named for taking bribe money.

If i remember correctly Clinton won the elections in 1992 with 43% of the popular votes.

On November 3, Bill Clinton won election as the 42nd President of the United States by a wide margin in the U.S. Electoral College, despite receiving only 43 percent of the popular vote. It was the first time since 1968 that a candidate won the White House with under 50 percent of the popular vote.

Excerpted from.
en.wikipedia.org...

Just wanted to show you that you were wrong, and obviously did not do research like you claimed.

[edit on 23-1-2006 by Muaddib]

Perhaps you should read what is being talked about before you decide to call someone a liar, no one I know of was even discussing what Bush's rating was when he got elected by electoral vote or popular vote or Clintons either.

When I mentioned Bush's low ratings I was mentioning the fact that his job approval ratings were low, the lowest of any Presidents in history. It was all over the news and eventually got down even lower than the 35% mentioned in this article. Perhaps you missed it?

www.cbsnews.com...

President Bush's job approval has reached the lowest level yet. Only 35 percent approve of the job he's doing. [quote/]

BTW for those of you questioning the authenticity of the tape I found this. I put it in a thread here but just in case you missed it.

www.whatreallyhappened.com...

Pakistan's president says he thinks Osama bin Laden is most likely dead because the suspected terrorist has been unable to get treatment for his kidney disease.

[A Bush administration official] said U.S. intelligence is that bin Laden needs dialysis every three days and "it is fairly obvious that that could be an issue when you are running from place to place, and facing the idea of needing to generate electricity in a mountain hideout." [CNN]

Dr. Sanjay Gupta: Bin Laden would need help if on dialysis
Renal dialysis -- talking about hemodialysis -- is something that really is reserved for patients in end-stage renal failure. That means their kidneys have just completely shut down.

The most common cause of something like that would be something like diabetes and hypertension. Once that's happened, if you're separated from your dialysis machine -- and incidentally, dialysis machines require electricity, they're going to require clean water, they're going to require a sterile setting -- infection is a huge risk with that. If you don't have all those things and a functioning dialysis machine, it's unlikely that you'd survive beyond several days or a week at the most. [CNN][quote/]

How exactly does that prove Osama is dead?

Is that definite proof?

Osama is a rich man, or he was last time i checked. Rich people can afford anything and pretty much buy anything they need or want. There are more than enough black markets out there. is it hard to obtain certain things? yes, but with money you can probably acquire anything.

Until some real proof is found i think noone can say "they know Osama is dead."

Thats right he has got his dialysis machine plugged into that rock and is piping in evian water by the gallons. LOL

If he is still in Afghanistan in a cave he is dead, the man has to have dialysis every three days to live and no matter how much money he has it is just not going to be easy to run a dialysis machine without clean water and electricity from a cave. Even if he had these things he would probably die from infection because it would be virtually impossible to maintain the sterile conditions needed to prevent infection in these living conditions.

So tell me why are we still blowing up Afghanistan looking for him if they don't think he is there? And why would anyone think he is still alive if he is still there? The man is probably dead and that actually hurts the war on terrorism because once Americans realizes he is dead they would want our troops out of Afghanistan.





[edit on 24-1-2006 by goose]

Originally posted by goose

Perhaps you should read what is being talked about before you decide to call someone a liar, no one I know of was even discussing what Bush's rating was when he got elected by electoral vote or popular vote or Clintons either.

Actually perhaps it is you who missed what this article is about... Osama Bin Laden... How is a tape by Osama Bin Laden, or one of his lackeys, going to help the president in any "elections" if he can't be chosen again?...

What does the poll from CBS prove? but that from 2,000-3,000 people 35% believe he is doing a good job, and the rest, 65% out of 2,000-3,000, of those people believe he is not doing a good job. Does that make the voice of Americans?

My job takes me all over the U.S. and i meet a lot of different people. Yes, I have found people who are not extremely happy with president Bush, but i have also found plenty of people who do, but for some reason "the voice of those people is not heard."

In my own experiences i am not sure anymore that the U.S. is a nation that "speaks for the mayority of the people." Nowadays it seems to be a nation where only the voice of minorities seem to matter.

Do the voices of minorities matter? of course it does, but i keep hearing some people claim that "the mayority of the U.S. does not agree with president Bush, yet in my own experiences i see the oposite. It is only a minority that does not agree, and that is the only voice that is being heard in the U.S. today.

[edit on 24-1-2006 by Muaddib]

Originally posted by goose
...............
The man is probably dead and that actually hurts the war on terrorism because once Americans realizes he is dead they would want our troops out of Afghanistan.

Since when does the war on terrorism ends with Osama Bin Laden being dead?.... and unless you can read the minds of most Americans i doubt you would know that the mayority of Americans would ask to get out of Afghanistan once Osama Bin Laden is dead...

And why would anyone think we should stay in Afghanistan if Bin Laden is dead?

Bush's low rating are said to be hurtful to the republicans running in 2006, it is that simple. His low ratings are not helping the future republican candidates in 2008 either.

Polls also show that the majority of the people want out of this war and asap but yet you are going to tell me that the majority sadly are not heard from, your right if they were, Bush and his cronies would be impeached and in chains and the our military folks would have been coming home yesterday.

[edit on 24-1-2006 by goose]

Here's a recent article and older article that says the Osama tapes are fake and I tend to agree. In this day and age it's rather bizarre that Osama with his many faithful followers and millions of dinars available to him has no ability to get a decent video camera or make timely reports. Uhh, yeah righto chap...care for some swampland in the Sahara?

Osama bin Dead...enough of these phoney messages already.

Voice of the White House January 20, 2006
Yet again, our grossly incompetent CIA, in conjunction with the prevaricating manipulators in the White House, have produced another faked “bin Ladin tape” threatening to attack the United States but “offering a truce.” The CIA has produced at least ten “original terrorist” tapes in the past three years. A man named Morton Weil, working for the CIA out of Waco, Texas, puts these together using someone fluent in Arabic. The documents are produced in Langley, sent to the NSC for vetting and, if approved as written, sent by courier to Waco, Texas where they are translated (from the English) into Arabic and then recorded by a person, as yet unnamed, fluent in that language .

Flashback 2002: Bin Laden tape “faked”
Swiss researchers say they are 95 per cent certain that a recent audio tape attributed to the Saudi dissident, Osama bin Laden, is not genuine.

[edit on 24-1-2006 by Regenmacher]

"Long-term truce"

This sounds like a good idea in theory, if you don’t know what it entails. For those who don’t know let me tell you. According to the Qur’an before any Muslim leader can wage war on “The Unbelievers” they must give them a chance to; 1. Convert to Islam, 2. Enter Dhimmi status 3. Go to war with Islam. The truce that OBL Speaks of is the dhimmi (“protected” or “guilty”)status, what is this you ask. This means in all non Muslim lands ie: the west, would have to pay jizya (poll tax), instate Sharia (Islamic law), and of course that Islam and Allah “be made uppermost above all (other) religion”. (Qur’an 9:33).

For those of you who think this wouldn’t be so bad as long as there no more war in the Middle East? Islamic law means that if a woman were to cheat on her husband or have a baby out of wedlock her husband or father would have one of three choices. To have her stoned publicly, drowned, or banished to a one room cell and left to die. If you think this is extreme and maybe they would not implement this law now let me tell you some that would only apply to the Dhimmah or people of the book. Dhimmis would not be allowed to repair or resurrect monasteries or churches. Also any Muslim has the right to clam any church for there own religious rituals. All Dhimmis would be required to pay a poll tax while being humiliated. Dhimmis would also not be able to copy Muslim dress, hair or use there greeting “as-Salamu ‘alaykum”. Dhimmis would not be allowed to build any buildings higher than a Muslims building. Dhimmis also can not pray out loud sing hymns out loud sell wine or make pubic display of there feast days. For us to have a truce as OBL said these are just some of the laws that would apply to all Dihimmis (Christians, Jews, and Zoroastrians).

I don’t know about the rest of you but I am not willing to live this way or have my children’s children live under such persecution. Our President has chosen option number 3 to preserve our way of life and all of the freedoms that we enjoy to make posting and write any way we feel on any subject. I think that any person speaking out against the President at a time of war is despicable, but that is just my opinion. OBL doesn’t speak of truce he speaks of all and out persecution of all non Muslims.

Originally posted by Regenmacher
Here's a recent article and older article that says the Osama tapes are fake and I tend to agree. In this day and age it's rather bizarre that Osama with his many faithful followers and millions of dinars available to him has no ability to get a decent video camera or make timely reports. Uhh, yeah righto chap...care for some swampland in the Sahara?

Osama bin Dead...enough of these phoney messages already.

Maybe its because Osama don't like showing his ugly face anymore.. Seriously, we have no proof that he was ever killed or died from natural causes. Until then, the hunt goes on. Not to mention none of his hardcore followers ever mentioning his death. If he died, they would announce to the world to martyr him. Also, making audio tapes is more logical as to not to give any clues as to his whereabouts. I guess he has the misconception that we can track him down by looking at his videos.

Originally posted by deltaboy
If he died, they would announce to the world to martyr him. Also, making audio tapes is more logical as to not to give any clues as to his whereabouts. I guess he has the misconception that we can track him down by looking at his videos.

Can't be a maytr if you die of kidney failure from bad goat milk in a Pakistani clinic...Bin Laden bin Dead.

Have no qualitative proof he's alive either from bad audio tapes in which a 3rd grader could do better, but we have plenty of complacent rubes devoid of common sense that are easy to manipulate and scare into following the chimp. CIA Osama is losing market share so it's time to fade this psyops hoax to black and shut off the war funding.

Originally posted by Regenmacher

Can't be a maytr if you die of kidney failure from bad goat milk in a Pakistani clinic...Bin Laden bin Dead.

There are many ways to martyr a man even death from natural causes. As martyrdom don't exactly mean killing one self in the name of their ideology. After all, Osama has vow to fight America in the name of Jihad in a cave, instead of spending his days as a multimillionaire in palaces. Thats enough to arouse many people who would admire that kind of man who was that devoted.

Have no qualitative proof he's alive either from bad audio tapes in which a 3rd grader could do better, but we have plenty of complacent rubes devoid of common sense that are easy to manipulate and scare into following the chimp. CIA Osama is losing market share so it's time to fade this psyops hoax to black and shut off the war funding.

And there is no qualitative proof he was ever dead. No proof at all. Just all speculation.

Since no one can find a 6' 6" arab man tethered to dialysis machine simple deductive reasoning says the neocon garbage machine is trying to squeeze more mileage out of a ghost, since the chimp's poll numbers are bottoming out again. Have to blow smoke up the rears of the fence sitters since the wiretap, Rovegate and Delay scandal might make them choose a side and vote Democrap in 2006.

Phantom Osama Groomed for a Return

Wag the Osama

Bush flip flops over Osama

Bush 2002:
"I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him... I truly am not that concerned about him."
www.whitehouse.gov...

And today, Bush says:
"When he says he's going to hurt the American people again, or try to, he means it," Bush told reporters after visiting the top-secret National Security Agency where the surveillance program is based. "I take it seriously, and the people of NSA take it seriously."
news.yahoo.com...

Burden of proof is on Osama and yes, you can make a video with no background and no visual clues to a locale. Meanwhile I'll wait for the video and let the gullible deal with fear. Martyrdom from kidney failure, oooh that's rich.....

Next week on the moonbat channel Osama was witnessed in Tehran by a herd of goats. Bush was quoted as saying, "Holy Akmed Cheney, let's rally the troops and invade at dawn!"





[edit on 26-1-2006 by Regenmacher]