Give DNA or no job; A.F.P.

I've already replied to that thread.

In the case of dna, any agency wanting your dna can get it every time you get a blood sample taken at the doctor's office. When you piss in a cup. Break into your house and take a sample of your hair off a brush or your head while your sleeping! Now what? We could stop going to the doctor's, we can piss in a soda bottle and bury it, we can become hermit's and be known as the paranoid one's who see thing's that aren't there.

Let me ask you something. Exactly why do you think there's an evil NWO plot to take over the world. Why do you equate it to be this evil elite orginization. Most importantly, who do you think is part of it and why? Where are you getting this NWO plot from?

Please, don't cite your source's a second time, it's clearly obvious there's nothing NWOish in them beside's your opinion's.

Long Lance, thanks for that great link.
I feel it should be posted to every member of every conspiracy site, before they read or write any opinion.

I'm a little tired now, but I didn't find one of the many methods of dis-info. that Produkt hasn't used.

To any still wondering if Produckt has made any points against the subject of this, or any thread, you should compare his posts against the information on that link.

Train yourselves to recognize these methods and you will remain free to think, if nothing else.

And to add to suzy's post, always deny what the definition of opinion and twisting the fact's is. For if you do, the gullible will see you as true.

Originally posted by Produkt
And to add to suzy's post, always deny what the definition of opinion and twisting the fact's is. For if you do, the gullible will see you as true.

Just to clarify - the word from Produkt is:

DNA files can't be lost, misplaced, stolen, or otherwise appropriated.

Even if the unthinkable happened - no one will do anything nasty with your personal information - DNA, financial or otherwise.

It is OKAY if all your personal information is collected - up to and including your DNA profile - because there is no proof whatsoever that anyone anywhere is creating any master files that might be misused in any coordinated manner.

Nothing to see here. Move along now.

Whoa easy there... No need to put words into my mouth too.

Never did say they couldn't be lost, stolen, misused. Never did say no one wouldn't abuse them. Those aren't my words at all, so why the need to say so?

What I did say is that your so called evidence that this will be done is nothing more then opinion. What I did point out was that no where in your so called evidence was there any mention of the sort that would lead one reading the evidence to conclude that it was proof of an evil nwo plot as you like to keep pushing it as. Please get your fact's right. Your showing a great track record of failing to do so.

I asked before and I'll ask again. Where in your source's does it lead you to conlcude it has nwo implications. It either does, which could be why you posted it, or it doesn't, which would mean that I am correct that your blatently twisting the facts of the article to fit your opinions and beliefs. This could all be solved rather easily once you quote where in the article it implies nwo evil plot. Failure to do so is almost akin to admitting that what your saying has no basis in reality and that it's just your personal opinion.

So please. Let the quote's begin.

Originally posted by Produkt
I've already replied to that thread.

In the case of dna, any agency wanting your dna can get it every time you get a blood sample taken at the doctor's office. When you piss in a cup. Break into your house and take a sample of your hair off a brush or your head while your sleeping!
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collecting stuff the hard way would be hideously expensive, centralised, voluntary sampling wouldn't. besides that's not a useful argument, since it boils down to ' well, give us anything you wish and IF you don't we'll still ** you over have a nice day'.

a PR disaster, tbh.

Long Lance,

We're still in the realm of, can you prove whichever technique is being used for diabolicly evil nwo plots? There's no dna collecting of any sort where I live in my town, so how does one orginization, AFP apply to me? Or to anyone else for that matter. It doesn't. Unless we can see clear cut example's of dna collection being misused to advance the agenda of an evil nwo plot, then it's still just your opinion. Granted, yes it could be, but no there's no evidence that it is being done. So don't you think it's rather stupid to assert that an opinion of if, could be, might happen is fact? Until there's actual proof of your opinion, then your opinion will always remain opinion. You can't exscape that. It's a fact.

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Produkt, all your saying is that we're giving our opinion.

What I did say is that your so called evidence that this will be done is nothing more then opinion

That's from your post. And above the reply box, it says:

a link to the entire story, AND your opinion, twist or take on the news item.

Just because you don't agree with our opinions doesn't mean we can't say them. If you don't believe in an NWO, well no one is forcing you to read these threads.

Wierd, it left out the part where it's ok to voice your opinion as fact.

Originally posted by soficrow

Originally posted by Produkt
And to add to suzy's post, always deny what the definition of opinion and twisting the fact's is. For if you do, the gullible will see you as true.

Just to clarify - the word from Produkt is:

DNA files can't be lost, misplaced, stolen, or otherwise appropriated.

Even if the unthinkable happened - no one will do anything nasty with your personal information - DNA, financial or otherwise.

It is OKAY if all your personal information is collected - up to and including your DNA profile - because there is no proof whatsoever that anyone anywhere is creating any master files that might be misused in any coordinated manner.

Nothing to see here. Move along now.

I don't know what Produkt was trying to say, but to add to Soficrows clarification;
Someone once stored a large box in my house from where it was removed by person/s unknown.
Some time later it was returned, when and by whom, again unknown.
It contained 'special' original police files, collected over a decade.
"Good old boys" who had killed a child while driving drunk, were among the many who had their files of these, and other 'protected' crimes, 'disapeared'(stored) in this box.
This was just one, of a room full of such boxes.
How many people were moved, by the contents of these boxes, to 'deliver justice' that all proper channels refused to?
How humane would such 'justice' be?
Does anyone sane, just and good, want their DNA, "collected and stored" in a system run by the same people?
If I gave full details of this experience, readers may become the fearfull souls Produkt accuses everyone with proof, of being.
This is just one of a number of cases of confidential files ending up in the publics hands.

Please readers, don't be tempted to post 'proofs' that could identify you, if unlike the above mentioned event, your situation hasn't been brought to hand. This could be what Produkt is actually fishing for, those who's evidence could hurt the successfull marketing of the NWO, for 'rounding up' before the next push.

When have we used our opinion as fact!?
What is wrong with believing and analysing the NWO and including our opinions?

Look at the Sun centred model of the universe, someone believed that the Earth orbited the Sun by analysing what happens and although at first people didn't believe in him, it's now a fact.
Think about that analogy.

Our world turns on personal information - demographic profiles, buying habits, credit histories, medical histories - and in some cases, DNA profiles.

At present, different agencies collect this info and use it for different purposes. Many sell their files; it's their business. Only very limited information is proitected as private - but the means do not exist to protect this information and enforce the privacy laws.

Besides being sold, private information files can be lost, misplaced, stolen, or otherwise appropriated.

It is entirely predictable that some business or another will collect and collate information on individuals to create a full profile, including everything from financial status to medical history and DNA .

At present, we have no way to stop anyone from creating any such master files, or misusing the information in a coordinated way.

It seems that if we try to protect ourselves and entrench, we simply are helping one or two agencies to hold their power by letting them control the flow of information and its access.

The alternative may be counter-intuitive - let it all go - flood the systems, let everyone have access to every little bit of information there is, and dilute the value by making it common knowledge. ...Not sure if this applies to DNA profiles tho. Just wrote off the top of my head.

Produkt, maybe you should go to a thread that discuses what the NWO is, how it has/will be implimented and why so many people don't want it, if that is what you are having so much trouble understanding.

There is also a thread in praise of the NWO, if that is all you care to do.

Could you, either way, let others get on with discussing what is wrong with the Australian Federal Police requiring DNA samples from most, but not all, of it's members who desire career advancement.

So does this mean some, who don't want their DNA collected, 'could' still get these jobs? Who would/could 'they' be? NWO head honchoes?

Suzy,

By all means go ahead.

Amazing how that works - "Often, by simply impeding and slowing down the (evaluation) process through disinformation tactics, a level of victory is assured because apathy increases with time and rhetoric."

The Rules of Disinformation


Sorry Suzy - I tried. But it just takes too much energy to get through this mud and discuss things productively.

For the record - I recognize the validity of your concerns. Requiring a DNA sample to qualify for a job is another lost freedom.

Again - Our world turns on personal information - demographic profiles, buying habits, credit histories, medical histories - and in some cases, DNA profiles.

At present, different agencies collect this info and use it for different purposes. Many sell their files; it's their business. Only very limited information is protected as private - but the means do not exist to enforce privacy laws.

Besides being sold, private information files can be lost, misplaced, stolen, or otherwise appropriated.

It is entirely predictable that some business or another will collect and collate information on individuals to create a full profile, including everything from financial status to medical history and DNA .

At present, we have no way to stop anyone from creating any such master files, or misusing the information in a coordinated way.

Soficrow, you've done a great job of cutting through the mud, I thank you on behalf of all who feel the implications of this 'policy' are worthy of full discussion.

Is Produkt the herald of the death of ATS? Right now I'm too tired to think beyond this question and the answer, to my mind is, yes.

Originally posted by suzy ryan

Is Produkt the herald of the death of ATS? Right now I'm too tired to think beyond this question and the answer, to my mind is, yes.

Oh honey, no. You poor baby - you are tired! The guy is just a little troll, and ATS is much too big and too strong to choke on troll farts. ...The mods will watch and wait and if he doesn't catch on soon and clean up his act, the ban hammer will fall. ...Think of yourself as an unappreciated teacher providing unwanted education. And don't let it get you down.

You sleep. Ohhhhmmmmmmmm.

Originally posted by Produkt
Older officer's would already be known and established and trusted. New recruits wanting to advance their career's on oversea jobs should offer up dna. Things do go wrong. Atleast this way the new recruits can be identified if found dead or have their butts saved if implicated in a crime. Another thing to look at, does that article say they are going to do this, or from what you posted, just wanting to do this? Wanting and doing are two different thing's.

As for pet's, I can understand a mandatory tagging. Sometime's I wish something like this was done in the USA. There are alot of strays and alot of lost pets or abandoned pets. With tagging, you know which are the stray's, which are the abandoned and which are the lost and can then take the needed action's concerning each case. I fail to see the harm in that.

If you feel there is evil behind any of it, could you please point out your source's that would lead you to conclude there is evil behind it?

Firstly, mandontary microchipping comes along with an admission of pet ownership. Pet ownership also requires payment of an annual fee to your local council.. My labradors because they are undesexed cost in excess of $100 each. and my cat who is nuetered is $15.. Any way the point is that it is another invasive government tactic that is also a useful capatalist revnue spinner.

Secondly, are you not aware that from 1970-ish all Australians DNA has been collected at birth with a heal prick test.. I belive called the GUTHRIE test.. This test is conducted to determine if there are any "genetic illnesses" present in the infant. Excluding the State of Western Australia who destroys that information after 2 years ...to my knowledge this information is stored. Older soldiers may be "trusted however that is a very narrowminded attitude" Perhaps the DNA is required to check if the soldier has children (Big insurance payment required if he has dependants somewhere and is killed in combat wouldnt you say) .. The possibilities are endless with this.. We are already databased with our DNA here.. But why??

I know this is my first post here folks, and you'll have to forgive me just jumping right into this DNA and NWO thread with such shocking but brutally honest news.
I was bored and perusing the Net and came across this website and the mention of the Aussie Feds requesting DNA samples from members.

Ok boys and girls, here, from a serving professional is the reason DNA is being asked for, and being given.

If there were any professional soldiers amongst you, one of them would have answered this already.

You're on an operation and something goes pear-shaped.
Maybe the APC you're travelling in gets blown to #e, maybe there's a firefight against insurmountable odds and some get fragged and some get away.
Maybe to get away you had to slog off across a few hundred miles or more of hostile terrain. So you won't be toodling up to the barracks for a brew up anytime soonish.
As happend to Chris Ryan in Bravo Two Zero.
Now some time later the remains of the blown up and burnt beyond recognition bodies are recovered.
ID tags are useless, they're melted bits of metal.
Same for dentures and distinguishing body marks.
But HQ has your DNA on record.
So they take some DNA samples from what's left of the bodies...and find yours isn't there.
Which means they know you're still out there somewhere.
Maybe captured...which means tortured for info...which means they can change any plans you may have been privy to before more soldiers get endangered.
They will also assume you may have done the bolt (got away) and still be out in the operational area somewhere.
Which means other units and search aircraft and medivac helos can keep an eye out for you.
As can people who monitor border crossings both legal and illegal.
If it's turns out you were one of the unlucky ones and you're part of the aforementioned corpses...at least your friends and family know you've gone toes up...it's a kind of settlement for them.
They don't have to have that feeling that you might, beyond hope walk thru the door one day for that cuppa.

So that's why the Feds and a lot of military units are giving DNA samples.
It's for our own benefit and the benefit of our loved ones.
And if there ARE any other soldiers on this site...they will agree that's it's a damn good idea and should have been implemented a lot sooner.
As should internal micro-chips for locating soldiers in the field via satelite.
That's just beginning, but it's another top idea.

So while all you NWO nutters are running around out there, pretending you know what's going on in the world, pretending somehow that world governments are conspiriring to take over the world in some way let me give you a heads up.
The world is going to hell in a handbasket. Law and order and public decency is failing left, right and centre.
What Order?
There is hardly any order at all, let alone a New World one.
The majority of you are in countries like the USA, the UK, and Oz...safe western countries...people in places like Burundi, Dharfur, the Congo, Eritrea...would love for this mythical NWO to get it's finger out of it's arse and come and secure their countries...while you wax lyrical about the NWO...they are dying of starvation, gang rape, torture; murder is an everyday occurence.
NWO? They PRAY for a NWO. They would like to sit in front of a keyboard and write bull# themselves, but they live in the real world, everyday.
Unlike most of you wankers.
You want to change the world order? Get off your fat arse's and go join the UN or Medicine Sans Frontiers, or the World Health Organisation or any other of a dozen orgs that really are trying to make a difference in the world.
Now I'd love to stay and chat some more, but there's probably some hostages to rescue, some terrorists to chase or some starving children to feed and some medicine that needs to be administered to some very sick and malnourished people.
So adios.


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People have gone to work since the time man was first put on this earth, Why do they need dna now, it is to personal. like asking to see what colour pants you are wearing or look in your mouth. Say no