Give DNA or no job; A.F.P.

Although it may seem simple, religion also gets involved. Annoyingly.

I hate to keep nagging about this, but if the government imposes laws on cloning and DNA mapping then they would easily be able to get away with it in the mountains or somewhere.

Bah, who care's about religion. Some don't even allow life saving blood transfusion's, amongst other thing's. The government could get away with it even if there's law's or no law's especially if they hid the fact that they're doing it. But really, religion would be the biggest factor, nearly everything is evil to them.

Originally posted by Produkt
I understand that, which is why people would need to try and get laws made up to protect against thing's such as this. Once law's are in place these concern's wouldn't be needed.

So, you have never heard of "laws", being ignored, misused or abused?
You've never heard of "police corruption"?
You've never heard of Government corruption?
You have never heard of justice being a commodity only the wealthy can afford?
Only if you can answer, "no" to these and many other questions people have asked you without getting an answer, would I be prepared to say you are not a 'dis-info. agent'.

Oh christ ok so why don't we just be afraid of everything huh? Let's all do the amish tango yo!

Originally posted by Produkt
Oh christ ok so why don't we just be afraid of everything huh? Let's all do the amish tango yo!

Thought and the critical process of evaluation do not constitute evidence of fear.

On the other hand, ridicule of thought DOES constitute evidence of manipulation.

Hmmm.

Critical evaluation of what? Your opinion and opinion only. Not once have you nor anyone shown conclusive evidence for widespread NWO implication's. All you HAVE shown is spotty politic's and your opinion of IF not IS. So again... critical evaluation of your opinion, yes I agree with you on that one. Stick with that argument and we'll be ok, but peddle it as fact and yes, I'm gunna have to slap you around with it.

Produkt - IMO we are attempting to to assess the situation and understand the implications. You seem unable to comprehend the distinction between "claims" and legitimate investigation into the implications inherent in this situation.

Also IMO - you are attempting to prevent the critical investigative process from occurring.

Critical investigation of what? Oh right.. your opinion and theory that has no evidence or proof to have a lick of standing ground.

Yes, we have RFID technology. Yes, it can be abused. BUT do you have evidence that it's being used in such a way that spells NWO? No.

Yes, we have genetic engineering. Yes, it can be abused. BUT do you have evidence it's being used in such a way that spells NWO? No.

All you have is IF's and BUT's and MAYBE's. Untill you have ACTUAL's, then it's not to hard to state "in my opinion". If you have EVIDENCE and PROOF, then by all mean's post as if it's factual. But if your evidence and proof relies on twisting the fact's and interjesting your own opinion then you haven't got much to base your claim's on.

Really, it's not hard to say "in my opinion" (if, but, maybe, what if, could be). Take your pick, but please, till you have a smoking gun that spells NWO, do not say it's a fact or reality.

Here's something to really annoy you.

Do you have proof that there is no NWO?

Yea, common sense and simple observation. That and I don't need to twist new's article's to push my view's and opinion's. It help's alot when you don't need to twist something to call your opinion fact.

Truth be told however, there's nothing to indicate there's an NWO plot, save those few who twist fact's to imply there's an NWO.

Common sense and observation also notices a hell of a load of serveillance.

Our thoughts ask our selves, is it all entirely neccessary?

That little argument of yours can work both ways. Plus, different people see different things.

Right, they can see different thing's. Your seeing this great huge exciting plot you all want to be a part of. You nitpick every bit of technological use to protect us claiming more sinister usage while not once posting any evidence of such sinister NWO usage.

Originally posted by Produkt
Right, they can see different thing's. Your seeing this great huge exciting plot you all want to be a part of. You nitpick every bit of technological use to protect us claiming more sinister usage while not once posting any evidence of such sinister NWO usage.

Yes, we do nitpick to get as much detail as possible.
Yes, technology does help to protect us.
But there are some very safe areas of cities and towns where the only crime is littering but there is still a huge amount of CCTV.

Then we've got all of this tracking car business and they seem to get the criminal anyway.

Produkt, you have heard of the word, "corruption" haven't you? Well that word and, "conspiracy" are more than words, but actions people have been convicted of.
"Birds of a feather" and all that, supports the understanding that the corrupt conspire, for their mutual benifit, against others they deem having something they want to take.
By their nature, once they get what they conspired to, they then conspire with others to deny their old partners and associates their cut, and so on, untill only 'The Top Dog and his chosen pack' rule.

The, "all too telling" trouble with the, "The NWO and Eugenics are all good!", crowd, is that they demand, "court, of 'their' law, type proof", before they will even "allow" discussion of conspiracy and corruption. Produkt, if it isn't happening or is and it will be so good, why do you so hate any of the related issues being discussed?

By your twisted logic, and that of many masons and occultist who have been quite on this site lately, no one would ever be convicted of conspiracy or corruption, because the "proof" of something being even worthy of investigation, hasn't first been rubber stamped by the courts, as already "proven".

There is so much proof of, "Buying the 'right' to deny others justice" (have a look at the DVD, "The Corporation") that your demands for "proof" would be funny if they weren't the mocking, cruel mantra of your ilk, who deny justice to the most innocent and powerless of the world, by stating they suffer no injustices because corrupt legal systems, only the elite can afford to 'buy', haven't accepted their evidence.

Before you attempt to knock over a world record of dominos, you have to, carefully, set them up. This also involves resetting fallen blocks and making adjustments.
Some of us here are pointing out adjustments and resets of key, turning point, 'dominos', like the too many and varied 'justifications', around the whole world, for permanently recording the most private of details that identify individuals, againsts their 'fully' informed, expressed will and desire.

Sure 'these' recruits and serving members of the Australian Federal Police, could choose another career that doesn't (yet) require their DNA to be kept on record, or choose to limit their their career advancement by not 'volunteering' their DNA and doing 'grunt work' for the rest of their time in the force, but using the justifications for this 'policy', the War OF Terror, and 'pandemic' issues, you can not justify everyone who goes into any public places, NOT being identifiable and 'scanable', for "health and security" reasons.

The job at hand, of those, 'evil elite', is to send people like you out among the general public and 'lull' away any fears of NWO "Policies" and replace them with a public demand for them, by appealing to their other fears, pride and desires.

Billions of dollars have been 'invested', over a very long period of time, by the worlds most powerfull of people, in developing the technologies of permanent, scanable I.D.'s and methods of 'selling' the desire and demand for them. People make long term investments because they do, at 'maturity', pay.

Your job, it seems, is to mis-inform and dis-inform enough people to help get an 'apparent', 'significant' majority who will demand the permanent, life long identification of everyone born, and allowed to keep living.

Oh, and nice to see you now use your angry, insulting and mean 'voice', since I mentioned your, "aww shucks, I'm just a simple Joe", 'style' was an 'advised' method of 'brainwashing' those resistant to being 'told'.

Suzy Suzy Dear Suzy...

Your so far from the truth it's almost funny. You keep claiming I'm one of them is just ammusing to say the least. Don't you see how your paranoia is clouding your judgment and making you see thing's that aren't there? I am just an average joe. I shovel the poo just like anyone else. You don't see that tho. All you see is NWO this, NWO that and anyone who says otherwise is in on it. Hell, I wish I were in on it, I wouldn't need to waste my time here reading about it or trying to disprove it. You need to let go of your paranoid opinion's and take a look at yourself and the world around you. No one care's about you. No one is after you. There is no big exciting NWO plot to be a part of. There will be no resistance.

Originally posted by Produkt

There will be no resistance.

Take alook around the world.

There is resistance.

*looks around*

I see war. I don't see anyone fighting what they believe the NWO is. What resistance?

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Forgot famine, disease, drug wars etc...

[edit on 15-1-2006 by Produkt]

Produkt, yet again, you display that famous 'fraternal' tactic of deflect, deny, insult, defame, belittle, anything, but DO NOT address the issues and questions raised.

I would love to believe that you are just some, "simple" "nobody", but the inconsistentcies in your effort to appear as such, like claiming not to know much then declaring all who disagree with your views, ignorant,etc. but flatly refusing to even acknowledge relevant questions put directly to you, make it very hard.

To help people understand where and how you've come about your many immoveable, unulterable delarations of 'your truths', can you tell us if you a member of any fraterity, service club etc. or are employed by Government or Multi-National corperation or their branches or agencies?

The above question, which of course you don't have to answer, includes all the variations of asking, "What is your current, and hoped for future, 'lifestyle' and how do/will you support it?"

As someone who declares others, unknown to you, having your personal details, is nothing to fear, you should be happy to tell us every little thing about you.

Don't worry, I don't care about you and I'm not out to get you so don't be paranoid about answering, or that/why I ask. It's just that your response can add to the education of those new to the world of conspiracy sites.

I'm glad you have caused so many reading your posts to become aware of 'lower grade' "spin and deflect methods" used, like 'strongly implying' those you refuse to answer are some way mentally deficient (newbies, this is a compliment to the validity of your claims and questions. Don't let it scare you off.) even IF you're only doing it by accident.

There's a problem here though. I haven't really claimed nor voiced my view's save that there's no credible evidence for an NWO. Now how do you expect me to clear up something I've yet to claim? All I've done was argue that your proof isn't proof. Just opinion and nothing more then opinion. You read into thing's too much. You see what you want to see. This is where paranoia start's to kick in. What relevence would opening my life story to you help? I would still argue against your opinionated proof. What if I did work for the government or a multi-national corporation. What would it matter if I belonged to the freemason's or even Illuminati. None of that would matter. Your proof is still based upon opinion's. Your still reading into your so called evidence and spouting your opinion as fact. My life story isn't going to change that. Even if I were one of them, your claim that I am is still opinion. You have no proof nor will ever gain such proof.

Produkt, you have claimed and voiced there is something wrong or lacking in the common sence or mental capasity of a number of people who have disagreed with your views, that you only give your opinion in support of.

You are the first person who has made regret having a personal 'policy' of not using the 'ignor button'. If your relentlessness was matched by any strength in your arguments, this wouldn't be the case.



[edit on 16-1-2006 by suzy ryan]