Hold on to your faith. It's in for a bumpy ride.

Actually, alot of what he posted isn't plausible. Alot of what he posted was taken from creationist thoeries that have been disproven. One for example, the sun idea he posted was disproven less then a year after the claim was made. Same goes with many of the other 'plausible' creationist's theories. I commend him for effort and time wasted ... but for feasible alternative's, no. Those alternative's have already been disproven, as I said. Just common misunderstanding's or ignorance of thing's creation's know very little about.

Copy and paste does not = research or effort

Let's remember that theory doesn't mean fact! Scientists agree that in order for a theory to become fact, it must be observable. Tell me then, how can evolution be "observable"? Simple...it can't! If it takes hundreds of thousands of years or even only a few thousand years for evolution to take place, how can ANYONE living or dead for that matter have first hand "observable" knowledge of evolution? Fact...one species CANNOT evolve into another species period. How is it that evolutionists believe that ALL life on Earth sprung from a single bacterial lifeform? COME ON!!!!!!
The one thread of hope that scientists have to prove evolution is their observation of ADAPTATION!!! That in itself proves eveolution CAN'T exist! Many species of animals are able to adapt to their surrounding for survival, but they are not evolving into a different species of animal. Is that too hard for you guts to understand? Oh and about the "recent God" theory you have Produckt...isn't evolution relatively recent????? That's what I thought!!! Hmmm!

-Quin

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Okay going by your theories, things can only be proven real if they're observable. Don't you realise how much you're shooting religion in the foot by saying that? lol
You must have known someone would have said that to you. I'm glad i was first =D
I would rather take the best option and go with the hard data of scientists, the most probable truth. Rather than the diluted, corrupted, self interested 'logic' of the bible.
P.s - the bible has some nice stuff in it. Just try not to take it word for word.

TOby, re-read my post. I said nothing about Christians (myself included) needing to "observe" anything to believe what we believe. It's called faith! I can't see God with my eyes nor can I see the wind. Does that mean the wind doesn't exist? I CAN however, see the EFFECTS of the wind and therefore I know it is there. As I can see the effects of God. You evolutionists have a great deal of faith in a mere theory. Anything else?
-Quin

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[edit on 21-2-2006 by mytquin]

So the difference between faith and theory is.... what.
I could say i have faith in the huge sum of scientific studies done on this matter.
I see faith as unscientific belief in something someone else has told you.
I see theory as scientific belief in something someone has told you.

Faith = illogical
science = logical

God is science and science is god. Science is the study of the things around us which god has supposedly made. Do not shun it for it is the study of what god has made.
Faith in the bible and talking of the age of the earth in this way is disrespecting the valid efforts of people to understand nature/universe/earth.
You can do god better service by unlocking his secrets with thought and the brain you were given, rather than by following blindly something that which was probably not inspired by him in the first place.

Originally posted by T0by
God is science and science is god. Science is the study of the things around us which god has supposedly made. Do not shun it for it is the study of what god has made.

Ahh, TOby my boy, you are correct! I don't shun science, I actually enjoy science very much...up to the point where science has no room for God. While you say that I have blind faith in God, you, on the other hand, have the same kind of blind faith in the teachings of Charles Darwin. A man that had a thought something like this... "what if God didn't create the universe." Abracadabra! Evolution is born! He spent the rest of his life trying to convince people that his "theory" was the only scientific possibility of mans' origin. How self centered and illogical is that??? Now he has a grand following of fans of his thinking. Darwinism. Sheesh....

-Quin

Actually i never meant to suggest i support darwinism if i ever did suggest that, i was talking about the age of the earth only.
Not enough evidence has been aquired about evoultion yet and it does have its flaws.
The age of the earth however, has no credible flaws that i know of.

Myself, I believe something may have interveined with the development of humans, be it aliens or god i'm not sure. I'd like it to be aliens for some reason yet i try to not let my heart get in the way of my mind. Credible information on alternative theories of evolution is sparse, yet the big flaws are still there. So the mind wanders.
There is some evidence for alien intervention however.

By the way, you said 'where science has no room for god'.
In the past century, science has done a good job of opening our eyes to the wonders of the universe and that which god has made.

They may come a time when science comes to it's limit and god lays beyond it, his methods/origins/meanings unreachable by science.
Or, science may prove everything there is to prove about everything, and a god has no place in reality as everything is explained already.
All i know is that when this time comes, the bible will have no place in reality and will be so far from what we know as fact and truth that it will seem like caveman rantings by clueless ancestors eons ago.

'If the earth is millions of years old (scientists claim dinosaurs reigned about 70 million years ago and man came on the scene 3 million years ago), it would have been spinning much too fast to support live (extreme gravity).'
'Man, whom the evolutionists claim to have come into existence over a million years ago, is said to have "stopped evolving" 100,000 years ago. Why then do we not have at least 100,000 years of civilizations, cities, and human remains? '
OneLoveOneGod
Last year I read that the first man, or woman, who would have been virtually indistinguishable from you or me, was pushed back to 260 000 years ago. Was your 3 million year claim referring to 'Lucy'?
Also, where did you get the claim that man stopped evolving? I have heard that we continue to change, in response to our new environment. Of course, less hair, poorer eyesight, less musculature, and no more baby toes may not be everyones ideal vision of evolution. Devolution?
I feel the two camps will eventually find some form of common ground which is somewhere in between. If the world is only 4000 years old, how is it that the city of Jericho is considered to be 8000 years old?
On the other side of the coin, here in BC, we have pointy mountains made out of crumbly shale? How can that be? They can't be very old.
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maybe the subliminal messaging in the movie is quite entertaining for the subconsciousness..



I wonder how this movie looks like

Is it by the same producers of the passion of christ? a good follow up

maybe the subliminal messaging in the movie is quite entertaining for the subconsciousness..

Subliminal messages are illegal, and are not in any movie, song, or tv showshown in America or any of it's territories.

I'm pretty sure that go's for most of the rest of the world to.

[edit on 3/25/2006 by iori_komei]

They exist though, check these backmasked messages :

jeffmilner.com...

that stairway to heaven message can't be an acident, plus Zeppelin's drummer was a church of Satan member.

Paul:

You said that the Kolbrin is a joke of a forgery. Prove It! How many times have you read it from cover to cover? How much research did you do to prove its validity or lack thereof?

Ms_Sith_Lady

Originally posted by Paul of Nisbis

Originally posted by trIckz_R_fO_kIdz
But before that alot of things were common to man like God, and way of life and how you lived was more important for example was nothing new he was just there and everyone knew since who knows the Garden (Bible, Kolbrin.ect)

The Kolbrin is a joke of a forgery.

[edit on 17-2-2006 by Paul of Nisbis]

Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII
it would have been spinning much too fast to support live (extreme gravity).'
'Man, whom the evolutionists claim to have come into existence over a million years ago, is said to have "stopped evolving" 100,000 years ago. Why then do we not have at least 100,000 years of civilizations, cities, and human remains? '

I want to know where you heard that about the extreme gravity? Days were shorter yes.. by about 2 minutes, the moon has been moving 2 inches away from the earth since it was said to have formed, but a few million years wouldn’t make a big impact at all, its rather a extremely short time in earths history. I do not see the big deal there, so if you must show me some evidence of that.

The reason we do not have 100,000 years of human history is because
1. its buried 1/3 - 1/2 of a mile under earth
2. a lot of it is under water now
3. it decomposed
4. If we talk about 1 - 2 million year old ancient civilizations which had nukes and blew they’re selves up and the remains should still be there right? No it would transformed into minerals again if it was man made metal structures due to pressure and heat of the lower parts of the earths crust.

Its just part of the constantly moving earth, yes the earth moves, and it is alive it digest things, and replenishes, just really slowly. Mother earth is living thing/being. mountains rise and fall (depending on where it is) land masses disappear, so do continents. I say we look to the moon, there exists artificial like structures we need to go up there and see, instead of just collecting rocks and taking a 30 year vacation (of course they have gone there during that period and have a base there already IMO, but that doesn’t count because there is not enough evidence)

I feel the two camps will eventually find some form of common ground which is somewhere in between. If the world is only 4000 years old, how is it that the city of Jericho is considered to be 8000 years old?
On the other side of the coin, here in BC, we have pointy mountains made out of crumbly shale? How can that be? They can't be very old.

I feel there is more to be discovered, the earth is huge, and we have yet to explore our oceans and even jungles, there still exists many hidden things. Life is much more magnificent then many think and there exists many things unknown and I shouldn’t say many, make that infinite.

Originally posted by Paul of Nisbis
Certainly not before Noah
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The Kolbrin is a joke of a forgery.

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The Kolbrin has books in it, the Sons of Fire series are the only ones which are related, there is also a flood story very similar to Noah’s Ark but its much more detailed and it sounds like the person who wrote it actually lived during the flood, and if we went with science and what it had discovered there was actually a great flood at one point in history and we would relate the oldest book in the Kolbrin to 4,000 B.C.E I think, which is writen 95% in the same style as someone who would lived in that part of world, and it is not written the same as other books in the Kolbrin.

I know there is a lack of actual manuscripts proving the Kolbrin is even 1 year old, but we must take into consideration known history of ancient libraries, the Kolbrin isn’t a bible, I don’t know what I was thinking, its more of a constitution and it is IMO going to be the final warning from the past.

Evil never changes, that is why the book of revelations depicts so much of what was happening in Rome and even until today, Evil will use the same trick again but modified into the current technology, there will always be a antichrist, being Rome, which today is the NWO, which is trying to literally be the antichrist...

Think back to the Old Testament, Jesus was not the intended messiah, as history shows us, the intended messiah was the Warrior Messiah, so what make Christians think Jesus will come in the form they want him to? Just because it is written? I hate to say but that writing is wrong... its been changed and edited and decapitated for almost 1600 years now.

In all reality it is not god or his supposed son Jesus who will mark the end of days but man himself who digs a hole with Evil with a wipe, telling him to dig faster, and great pleasures will be given to him, that is not the way of goodness, nor did Jesus ever teach that.

In my mind if Jesus were to return the real way, he will come as a group of saviors who have forged there destiny with goodness and compassion, and see the real need and real world, they who will strike down the NWO eventually with the glory of God, Jesus will come in the form of a spirit manifested as a force in the forefront of the coming struggle for mans freedom.

If you like to add or attack me on any thing I am open anytime, just dont call me a idiot and say I am wrong with out having any evidence. I always tell people in this situation, just ask God, its all around you, it speaks to you every minute of your life and he knows everything you do and think.

BUMP

i'm going to agree with jj, for about the second time in ATS history

this movie should be taken with a bit of suspicion

though it does point out some influences that other cultures have had on christianity

and it validates the theories of Carl Jung on how certain archetypes are engrained in the human psyche.

almost all faith shall remain not even gently bumped

Originally posted by trIckz_R_fO_kIdz

I do not believe he was god in human form since he said he was not, but i can see why the people in those days did think he was god on earth with all the things he did.

[edit on 31-12-2005 by trIckz_R_fO_kIdz]

Where in the Word of God did Jesus deny He was God in the Flesh ?

Originally posted by trIckz_R_fO_kIdz

Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII
it would have been spinning much too fast to support live (extreme gravity).'
'Man, whom the evolutionists claim to have come into existence over a million years ago, is said to have "stopped evolving" 100,000 years ago. Why then do we not have at least 100,000 years of civilizations, cities, and human remains? '

I want to know where you heard that about the extreme gravity? Days were shorter yes.. by about 2 minutes, the moon has been moving 2 inches away from the earth since it was said to have formed, but a few million years wouldn’t make a big impact at all, its rather a extremely short time in earths history. I do not see the big deal there, so if you must show me some evidence of that.

The reason we do not have 100,000 years of human history is because
1. its buried 1/3 - 1/2 of a mile under earth
2. a lot of it is under water now
3. it decomposed
4. If we talk about 1 - 2 million year old ancient civilizations which had nukes and blew they’re selves up and the remains should still be there right? No it would transformed into minerals again if it was man made metal structures due to pressure and heat of the lower parts of the earths crust.

I can't tell you about the gravity point, cuz I was just quoting another poster, and actually agree more with your views. In 250 000 years since the first homo sapiens sapiens, there is time enough for a few great global cultures to come and go, and there are traces, lots of them. Archeologists just refuse to accept them as genuine, cuz some of them have been fakes. Giza, Egypt, is, imo, where the biggest remnant can be seen. Can't miss it.

Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII
I can't tell you about the gravity point, cuz I was just quoting another poster, and actually agree more with your views. In 250 000 years since the first homo sapiens sapiens, there is time enough for a few great global cultures to come and go, and there are traces, lots of them. Archeologists just refuse to accept them as genuine, cuz some of them have been fakes. Giza, Egypt, is, imo, where the biggest remnant can be seen. Can't miss it.

Well I can recommend you book since you know this much, its called underground!, it really goes over and gives sources, books and references for these things. Here is the link, I just bought the book from my local book store recently its really good, I recommend for everyone actually.

www.disinfo.com...

Originally posted by Vaportrails

Where in the Word of God did Jesus deny He was God in the Flesh ?

You know the bible is almost completely plagurism from other text that existed before or during the times they were written. Plus I recommend you get the Holy Bilbe through middle eastern language, jesus didnt speak greek he spoke aramiac, in this aramiac translation of the oldest known copys of the manuscripts will you truely understand.