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Originally posted by Produkt
Why do people (believers and non-believers) find it so difficult to seperate God from the Bible?
Because for 2000 years now, god and scripture were one and the same. Religous teaching's were supposedly from god. All the stories are about god and his act's. It's only NOW in recent time's that people of faith are starting to realize that the bible is full of BS and now want to seperate god from the bible. The god in the bible is the same moron you people are trying to seperate from the bible. Those people who wrote about the thing's god did in that bible, believed god did those thing's. They didn't write that it was all a moral story crap. It's only in recent time's that you people (again) are reinterpreting your own religous teach's, picking and choosing to believe whatever suites you. Ignoring how god and religous teaching's evolved along with society and the discoveries made that show how previously held belief's were false. You only have faith in what you feel suites you. You have no faith in the original concept of god. YOU changed god! YOU reinterpreted your god!
But I'll bet MOST if not ALL non-believers live a somewhat immoral life that they are happy living and don't want to think of having to answer to a higher power someday.
Originally posted by Produkt
But I'll bet MOST if not ALL non-believers live a somewhat immoral life that they are happy living and don't want to think of having to answer to a higher power someday.
Not at all. I lead a very good life and I'm an athiest. My children are good, my wife is good. My family and her family are all very good well natured caring atheist's. Point out where that commandmant says only love thy neighbor if they believe in me.
Originally posted by Produkt
One_love,
You think your god always existed? You think 'god' has always been there? You don't think man invented the notion of god's early in our history as explanation's to thing's we didn't understand?
Explain to me then how your monotheistic god is a recent belief system. Explain how YOUR god is the one true god when those before this so called one true god believed in MANY gods. Explain to me how the account of YOUR god's creation story is more valid then those people BEFORE your one true god. Those people tell a wholly different creation history very different then the one in the bible. The native americans say we came from a series of cave's underground, and they been around alot longer then YOUR god. So show me how their creation story isn't true but your's is. Show me how any ancient pre monotheistic creation story isn't true, but your's is.
I'm not closed minded, I'm just not gullible and as stupid as some might like me to be. I do value learning, BUT I refuse to blindly follow a faith without questioning. THAT is closed minded. YOUR god is a RECENT god in terms of human history.
Originally posted by Produkt
So in other words you just don't have any explanation for why your god is so recent nor any explanation as to why your recent god is more right then previous gods.
I accept.
Originally posted by Nakash
I'm tired of having Muslims and other religions equating Christianity with unsound living because of all the individuals in Christendom who hold that eating and sleeping are the greatest ideals you should aspire to and that there is no God. Nihilism breeds immorality, anybody with a brain knows that. To quote dostoevsky "If God didn't exist everything would be allowed
[edit on 19-2-2006 by Nakash]
Originally posted by mytquin
I apologize for accusing non-believers of living immoral lives, I just get caught in these kind of debates and my emotions get the best of me. "Religion" won't get you anywhere....form what I have learned, you can have all the "religion" you can stand and still not have love. Produkt, look, I don't have answers to ALL your questions but I do have a FEW. What good is it though for me to tell you why I believe in God/Jesus, when it sounds like you've already made up your mind to reject anything to do with God/Jesus. I will be the first to admit that "religious" Christians as a whole have done a VERY good job at acting like a bunch of hypocrties. But not ALL Christians are hypocrites. I don't have religion but I do have a VERY personal and VERY real relationship with the Father through Jesus. It's something you just have to experience to know the reality of. The statement you made about the Native Americans (I happen to be a member of the Shawnee tribe by the way) having gods that pre-dated my God has absolutley no shred of truth. You say you look for truth, then tell me how you came to this conclution. According to the Holy Bible, my God created Light, stars, the heavens, the earth, he even separated light from dark....how can ANY god PRE-date THAT? If you can covince me that there were so-called gods before "my" God, the one that created the universe, then you will truely have my attention.
-Quin
[edit on 18-2-2006 by mytquin]
Oh c'mon ... I'm being serious.
How's your god the one true god and the right god to be following when he's just a recent god in human history.
How's your creation myth the right one when there are countless out there that not only predate it, but are also wholly different from it.
Those of faith follow blindly. Those without faith, live a life of constant learning.
Because I know no other, nor Is there any other, nor will there ever be, nor has there ever been. Myth spawns from truth. Truth spawns from the begining, the begining Is absolute.