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Originally posted by spamandham
Welcome to my ignore list!
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
seven thunders, it does acknowledge other gods.
Jdg 2:13 And they forsook the LORD, and served Baal and Ashtaroth.
there are many other mentions of other gods, but i'm currently searching the bible for them, so be patient.
v20 Ignorant are those who carry about idols of wood,
who pray to gods that cannot save
Declare what is to be, present it—
let them take counsel together.
Who foretold this long ago,
who declared it from the distant past?
Was it not I, the LORD ?
And there is no God apart from me,
a righteous God and a Savior;
there is none but me.
22 "Turn to me and be saved,
all you ends of the earth;
for I am God, and there is no other.
Originally posted by OneGodJesus
But that is cool, cause as many people as reads this I know one thing, when it starts coming true it'll be too late for them to say "but we didn't know" boohoo. I've tried and failed but that too is ok. It is that whole pearls and swine thing we were warned about I guess...
Originally posted by spamandham
Originally posted by think2much
Thanks Spamandham, that was a well written walk through some history of the Bible, and explains generically the other gods-but if the first books were in an effort to consolodate gods into one I don't think they'd reference them or even elude to them....
They had to reference them, because the books were being written partly as works of persuasion for the followers of El, Baal, etc. The writers could not expect to accomplish that goal if they totally rewrote the familiar Genesis stories excluding the pantheon (known as Elohim in those days). Later monotheistic writings simply presumed that El was just another name for YHWH, and modern day apologists make the anachronistic error of claiming Elohim was just a plural form used because god is a King, much like a modern monarch might refer to himself in the plural.
Originally posted by spamandham
Originally posted by think2much
This is a fine statement for those who do not understand what believers actually believe...which is that by the hand of God...putting it into the hearts and minds of the writer what to write for His purpose...indeed he being the author, not the mortal who wrote it, then indeed the earlier writings WERE written with future writings in mind...in God
s mind.
If you take the position that the Bible as a whole is cohesive because god is the real author, then it should be obvious why a polytheistic perspective of Genesis is problematic.
FYI, it's really only a small percentage of believers who hold that god is the author of the Bible. The Bible itself does not even make such a claim. The closest you get to such a claim is in 2 Timothy, but it's a far cry from a claim that the Bible was written by god using the hands of humans.
Actually, I did. From the start. I'm just not interested in the snafu which resulted by those that didn't. A new thread, now, there is an idea!
Because it requires a readjustment of one's view--and the readjustment includes a moment or two of 'floating in oblivion'--essentially this is the proverbial 'leap of faith' over the 'abyss.'
Originally posted by think2much
What is being hid, by whom, and why? These things are written plainly in the Bible and yet go unseen and unnoticed...or unappreciated.
Originally posted by SevenThunders
However as brother OneGodJesus has suggested you folks apparently have another agenda, to somehow disprove scriptures or perhaps twist them to your own ends.
Originally posted by think2much
...well yes, we know it was by men and not dictated by God...but influenced by him, for his purpose, and becoming his word known to man because of that.
Originally posted by Nygdan
Not for nothing, but the only person that has displayed an agenda here is the Poster Onegodjesus. He stated that he's 'sown the seeds' and doesn't have anythign else to say. He didnt' come here to discuss the topic, he came here to evangelize and gain converts.
Originally posted by SevenThunders
I am surprised that no christians or Jews have provided the obvious refutation from scripture that there are many, perhaps co-equal gods with Yahweh. I will now provide some scriptures from Isaiah. I have little doubt that Isaiah is inspired material....(snip)
20: Assemble yourselves and come; draw near together, ye that are escaped of the nations: they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven image, and pray unto a god that cannot save.
Originally posted by think2much
What is being hid, by whom, and why? These things are written plainly in the Bible and yet go unseen and unnoticed...or unappreciated. The Bible is plain about these things....why are leaders so vague about them? I don't have the answers, but I firmly believe the questions are valid.
[edit on 31-12-2005 by think2much]
Originally posted by Nygdan
Originally posted by think2much
What is being hid, by whom, and why? These things are written plainly in the Bible and yet go unseen and unnoticed...or unappreciated.
The bible is a holy text, thus its interpreted and understood through faith, not literalism.
So these odd references to 'us' might be vestiges of just that.
Originally posted by spamandham
Originally posted by think2much
...well yes, we know it was by men and not dictated by God...but influenced by him, for his purpose, and becoming his word known to man because of that.
I suppose you could rationalize the polytheistic verses with the monotheistic verses by claiming that god is revealing himself over time, slowly refining knowledge as people are ready to accept it. But if you take such a tract, you might as well just embrace mysticism instead of trying to understand god through the Bible.
Originally posted by think2much
So I am rationalizing things by believing a God that could create a world and all thats in it couldn't orchastrate there to be a holy works that would come down through time revealing what was needed to be known and when so to speak....that seems quite literally possible to me and makes logical sense even...
Originally posted by think2much
as for mystcism-well which should I embrace...Christian mysticism or another...
Originally posted by OneGodJesus
Originally posted by think2much
What is being hid, by whom, and why? These things are written plainly in the Bible and yet go unseen and unnoticed...or unappreciated. The Bible is plain about these things....why are leaders so vague about them? I don't have the answers, but I firmly believe the questions are valid.
[edit on 31-12-2005 by think2much]
This was the end of what was originally posted plague. He asks a question requiring wisdom. I gave him the path to get the wisdom. How is that converting again? And as for the other thing about following threads, I have and it is a clear message from these folks who gang rush any threads about Christianity. So there.
Originally posted by spamandham
If you embrace mysticism, you will discover it doesn't matter which type you embrace.