Allah Is Not the Same God From the Torah or Bible?

Originally posted by BOHICA
b) God is the creator of all (does not accept the concept of the devil)

I'm not entirely sure what islamic conceptions of the devil are all about, and there are a lot of sects within islam. I'd think that the sunnis don't give satan much creedence if any, but I almost get the feeling that there are other groups within it that recognize satan as a powerful adversary of god.

d) prophecy ceased about 400 B.C. so that there could be no new scriptures after that time,

I hadn't heard that about judaism before, where'd you hear it? The talmud shows, I think, that there can be additions to scripture. And, notice, that in islam there is something like the talmud (commentaries), the hadiths, which are sayings and commentaries. Christianity, on the other hand, has nothing of quite the same import as this (though the papacy might be seen as a subsitute).

An interseting thing that I read, from a poster on ATS in This thread, is that, to paraphrase, "Jews and Sunni are grouped together, and christians and shi'a are grouped together".

If you do a little research youll find that Allah is actually the Moon Goddess:

The religion of Islam has as its focus of worship a deity by the name of "Allah." The Muslims claim that Allah in pre-Islamic times was the biblical God of the Patriarchs, prophets, and apostles. The issue is thus one of continuity. Was "Allah" the biblical God or a pagan god in Arabia during pre- Islamic times? The Muslim's claim of continuity is essential to their attempt to convert Jews and Christians for if "Allah" is part of the flow of divine revelation in Scripture, then it is the next step in biblical religion. Thus we should all become Muslims. But, on the other hand, if Allah was a pre- Islamic pagan deity, then its core claim is refuted. Religious claims often fall before the results of hard sciences such as archeology. We can endlessly speculate about the past or go and dig it up and see what the evidence reveals. This is the only way to find out the truth concerning the origins of Allah. As we shall see, the hard evidence demonstrates that the god Allah was a pagan deity. In fact, he was the Moon-god who was married to the sun goddess and the stars were his daughters.


Archaeologists have uncovered temples to the Moon-god throughout the Middle East. From the mountains of Turkey to the banks of the Nile, the most wide-spread religion of the ancient world was the worship of the Moon-god. In the first literate civilization, the Sumerians have left us thousands of clay tablets in which they described their religious beliefs. As demonstrated by Sjoberg and Hall, the ancient Sumerians worshipped a Moon-god who was called many different names. The most popular names were Nanna, Suen and Asimbabbar. His symbol was the crescent moon. Given the amount of artifacts concerning the worship of this Moon-god, it is clear that this was the dominant religion in Sumeria. The cult of the Moon-god was the most popular religion throughout ancient Mesopotamia. The Assyrians, Babylonians, and the Akkadians took the word Suen and transformed it into the word Sin as their favorite name for the Moon-god. As Prof. Potts pointed out, "Sin is a name essentially Sumerian in origin which had been borrowed by the Semites. "

In ancient Syria and Canna, the Moon-god Sin was usually represented by the moon in its crescent phase. At times the full moon was placed inside the crescent moon to emphasize all the phases of the moon. The sun-goddess was the wife of Sin and the stars were their daughters. For example, Istar was a daughter of Sin. Sacrifices to the Moon-god are described in the Pas Shamra texts. In the Ugaritic texts, the Moon-god was sometimes called Kusuh. In Persia, as well as in Egypt, the Moon- god is depicted on wall murals and on the heads of statues. He was the Judge of men and gods. The Old Testament constantly rebuked the worship of the Moon-god (see: Deut. 4:19;17:3; II Kngs. 21:3,5; 23:5; Jer. 8:2; 19:13; Zeph. 1:5, etc.) When Israel fell into idolatry, it was usually the cult of the Moon-god. As a matter of fact, everywhere in the ancient world, the symbol of the crescent moon can be found on seal impressions, steles, pottery, amulets, clay tablets, cylinders, weights, earrings, necklaces, wall murals, etc. In Tell-el-Obeid, a copper calf was found with a crescent moon on its forehead. An idol with the body of a bull and the head of man has a crescent moon inlaid on its forehead with shells. In Ur, the Stela of Ur-Nammu has the crescent symbol placed at the top of the register of gods because the Moon-god was the head of the gods. Even bread was baked in the form of a crescent as an act of devotion to the Moon-god. The Ur of the Chaldees was so devoted to the Moon-god that it was sometimes called Nannar in tablets from that time period.

A temple of the Moon-god has been excavated in Ur by Sir Leonard Woolley. He dug up many examples of moon worship in Ur and these are displayed in the British Museum to this day. Harran was likewise noted for its devotion to the Moon-god. In the 1950's a major temple to the Moon-god was excavated at Hazer in Palestine. Two idols of the moon god were found. Each was a stature of a man sitting upon a throne with a crescent moon carved on his chest . The accompanying inscriptions make it clear that these were idols of the Moon-god. Several smaller statues were also found which were identified by their inscriptions as the "daughters" of the Moon-god. What about Arabia? As pointed out by Prof. Coon, "Muslims are notoriously loath to preserve traditions of earlier paganism and like to garble what pre-Islamic history they permit to survive in anachronistic terms."

During the nineteenth century, Amaud, Halevy and Glaser went to Southern Arabia and dug up thousands of Sabean, Minaean, and Qatabanian inscriptions which were subsequently translated. In the 1940's, the archeologists G. Caton Thompson and Carleton S. Coon made some amazing discoveries in Arabia. During the 1950's, Wendell Phillips, W.F. Albright, Richard Bower and others excavated sites at Qataban, Timna, and Marib (the ancient capital of Sheba). Thousands of inscriptions from walls and rocks in Northern Arabia have also been collected. Reliefs and votive bowls used in worship of the "daughters of Allah" have also been discovered. The three daughters, al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat are sometimes depicted together with Allah the Moon-god represented by a crescent moon above them. The archeological evidence demonstrates that the dominant religion of Arabia was the cult of the Moon-god.

In Old Testament times, Nabonidus (555-539 BC), the last king of Babylon, built Tayma, Arabia as a center of Moon-god worship. Segall stated, "South Arabia's stellar religion has always been dominated by the Moon-god in various variations." Many scholars have also noticed that the Moon-god's name "Sin" is a part of such Arabic words as "Sinai," the "wilderness of Sin," etc. When the popularity of the Moon-god waned elsewhere, the Arabs remained true to their conviction that the Moon-god was the greatest of all gods. While they worshipped 360 gods at the Kabah in Mecca, the Moon-god was the chief deity. Mecca was in fact built as a shrine for the Moon-god.

This is what made it the most sacred site of Arabian paganism. In 1944, G. Caton Thompson revealed in her book, The Tombs and Moon Temple of Hureidha, that she had uncovered a temple of the Moon-god in southern Arabia. The symbols of the crescent moon and no less than twenty-one inscriptions with the name Sin were found in this temple. An idol which may be the Moon-god himself was also discovered. This was later confirmed by other well-known archeologists.

The evidence reveals that the temple of the Moon-god was active even in the Christian era. Evidence gathered from both North and South Arabia demonstrate that Moon-god worship was clearly active even in Muhammad's day and was still the dominant cult. According to numerous inscriptions, while the name of the Moon-god was Sin, his title was al- ilah, i.e. "the deity," meaning that he was the chief or high god among the gods. As Coon pointed out, "The god Il or Ilah was originally a phase of the Moon God." The Moon-god was called al- ilah, i.e. the god, which was shortened to Allah in pre-Islamic times. The pagan Arabs even used Allah in the names they gave to their children. For example, both Muhammad's father and uncle had Allah as part of their names.

The fact that they were given such names by their pagan parents proves that Allah was the title for the Moon-god even in Muhammad's day. Prof. Coon goes on to say, "Similarly, under Mohammed's tutelage, the relatively anonymous Ilah, became Al-Ilah, The God, or Allah, the Supreme Being."

This fact answers the questions, "Why is Allah never defined in the Qur'an? Why did Muhammad assume that the pagan Arabs already knew who Allah was?" Muhammad was raised in the religion of the Moon-god Allah.

reply to post by topsecretombomb

I'm not sure I understand. Is Allah the moon-god, or the moon-goddess? Who is this Prof. Potts? And who is this Prof. Coon? Is it the same Coon who is mentioned later in the article as Carleton S. Coon? Because this Coon was not an archaeologist. He was an anthropologist, famous for his ideas on race, and the superiority of the 'White' (european) race.

I'm sorry for the tone, but I really find that article you are quoting from hilarious. I mean:

"During the nineteenth century, Amaud, Halevy and Glaser went to Southern Arabia and dug up thousands of Sabean, Minaean, and Qatabanian inscriptions which were subsequently translated. In the 1940's, the archeologists G. Caton Thompson and Carleton S. Coon made some amazing discoveries in Arabia. During the 1950's, Wendell Phillips, W.F. Albright, Richard Bower and others excavated sites at Qataban, Timna, and Marib (the ancient capital of Sheba). Thousands of inscriptions from walls and rocks in Northern Arabia have also been collected. Reliefs and votive bowls used in worship of the "daughters of Allah" have also been discovered."

Notice how 3 seperate and unrelated incidents are strung together as one? First is about something that happened in the 19th century in Yemen (no details as to the relevance of the translations). Then it's about the 1940s, and what Caton-Thompson and Carleton Coon (notice how the names are strung together- however, the two never worked together). This was also done in Yemen. Then it talks about work in the 1950s, but again, no details given. Then, the most vague sentence yet, about 'thousands of inscriptions' being collected. Finally, we come to the meat of the whole paragraph, the line about reliefs and bowls (with no details on location or time period), but it's lent imaginary weight by the rest of the paragraph.

Sorry for the long, drawn-out explanation, I just felt like I had to point out the weirdness of the way it was presented.

Hmm...I've heard different things regarding this topic. I really am not the one to be able to tell you yes or no on this question, however I can tell you that I think that yes, Allah and the Jewish and Christian God are in fact one in the same. Just take the city of Jerusalem for instance. How do you think that you can have 3 major monotheistic religious sacred sites all in one small area and not have loads of drama and chaos? Because even though these people have different belief systems, their soul GOD is the same! (and mine, too because I'm Catholic, btw)

[edit on 25-8-2008 by Privy_Princess]

Since both are imaginary what sense does it make to ask whether they are the same or not. It's like asking if Tinkerbell is the same as the magical genie in Aladdin's lamp as though it were one of life's great untold mysteries.

However and for what it's worth, a muslim physician I know told me that Jesus on at least one occasion in prayer called god by the name of "Ellah" in the Aramaic language. Also I understand that the Arab language version of the bible uses the name "Allah" where the english uses "God". I get a kick out of asking christians if they pray to allah as Arab christians do.

Here, I found this.

www.youtube.com...

reply to post by BOHICA



Allah was the name of an Arabic pagan moon God. But as reffered to by Muhammad, Allah simply means Al "the" and Lah "God." It is the same as the JudeoChristian Deity.

Allah and Yahweh are the same.What are the chances that each God have archangels and both have an archangel named Gabriel.
In the bible Gabriel’s appearance to Mary was to announce the virgin birth of the Lord Jesus Christ.Then the black stone was brought from a nearby mountain by the archangel Gabriel in Islam
Same God.

a reply to: Nygdan

The long and the short of my understanding of it is that muslims recognize that there is divineness in what jesus said and did, but recognize him as a great, a really great infact, prophet. They don't beleive that he is half man half god, which, if you think about it, is a pretty pagan idea. They don't beleive that he is god and a seperate entitiy at the same time, or that god is broken up into a son with a physical body, the father, and a glowing spirit that looks like a dove, which, if you think about it, is pretty darned paganistic. They also don't seem to feel that the all powerful and all good creator of the universe would let what happened to jesus happen to a great prophet, and from what I understand they often suggest that during the crucifixtion, jesus was replaced, miraculously, by judas, the betrayer.

It goes a little deeper than what you may understand. Firstly you must understand that most all of what is called Christianity today is not Christianity. Most all are doctrines that do not even resemble the synagogue of James nor the intent of the Christ Jesus.

Most who call themselves Christians do not even understand their Christ Jesus. This is the very reason that the Apostle John was chosen as the second authority of the Nazarene Synagogue which was originated by James the brother of the Christ. John tells us very plainly in the very first chapter and verses of his book that indeed EL is the Father of Jesus and that all of which was created from the celestial realm both visible and invisible was the preexisting one who we call Jesus. The Word of God is your Creator and is the begotten of The Most High EL.

So to be concise about who Allah truly represents is to note that both Muslim and Jew have no idea of their Creator because they reject that Jesus preexisted as "The Word of God". The Most High EL was not the creator of this universe according to the Apostle John. This may come as a blow to even those who claim to be Christian and many will deny that John was correct but I invite you to read John and then tell me if Islam or Judaism is even on the same page as Jesus and James.

What am I saying? I am saying that according to the Apostle John, Jesus is the preexisting Word of God and the Creator. Not simply the Begotten Son of God but the Creator of all of which was ever created. The very own Creator who they, Islam, rejects. This may shock many who were taught that God created and Jesus was just a son. It goes much deeper than that and Islam has no idea of who their Allah is. Christianity is unique in that it cannot be associated with any other doctrine regardless of lip service or kind words.

a reply to: Nygdan

Judaism will have an adit ion when their savior apears so yes it has more to come. Christianity believes in the return of Jesus so more to come. But mohammad locked Islam from change it says he was the final profit all that's left is the end. Here's the problem the Talmud let's face it god is mean and vindictive. You know an eye for an eye etc. Well Islam used this same god for the Koran it's the traditional Abrahamic god. He punishes people and destroys entire cities even though as God he would have the power to change things.

Christianity Jesus came along and he had a problem with the god of Abraham. This is why people say he was the missing part of God the softer gentler side. In christianity god returns to earth to change his pact conserving if you will that it needed changing. This is the reason you can't compare christianity to Islam Christianity rejects the old testiment well Islam embraces it. What your not getting is your not arguing if it's the same god yes it is. The differences are in God changing as mankind evolved. Islam and Judaism reject that God changed his views.

Allah, Buddha and Jesus were nothing but interpreters of the same message.

This message passed between many tongues and predate them all by even more tongues. I think most people, especially religious people would be disappointed if it came out who was the first to utter those wise words, because it would most likely not be a divine being, but a somewhat half crazy but loving person who was good at speaking in a way that made people listen.

I imagine that he or she was the type of person who spent a lot of time looking up at the sky and wonder what it was all about.
In time, as words are destilled they become dogmatic and judgemental. Just look how even today the major religions are split into branches who have their own ideas of how to interpret the interpretations.

It's a freaking joke. Basically... you don't need any of the religions to teach you to love other people, that is inherent to us.
As soon as you begin to label or tell other how to love, the problems start. And those who tell others how to love aren't doing it because they want to share something, they are doing it because they want you to follow them, because if you follow them, you become important, you gain power and with power comes wealth.... and some people just don't like to share.

a reply to: Anonymous ATS


i apologise this is off topic
whats going on with this account ?

last visit 2008 ?

Jesus called God, Abba (Father), Merciful, The Highest, Father in Heaven, and El ("Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?"). Jesus said that The Father is kind to all, good and evil (Luke 6:35-36)

The Muslim idea of God is different, and the Jewish idea of God is different, too.

a reply to: BOHICA

Sorry but i no longer trust most Gov't Funded Archaeologists anymore. They have one agenda, and one only.

As in the past to change history, yet again for the unknown amounts of time since time past.

They are now Owned like Most Organized Establishments. They do and say what they're told.

originally posted by: kibric
a reply to: Anonymous ATS


i apologise this is off topic
whats going on with this account ?

last visit 2008 ?

It used to be possible for guests on ATS to make anonymous posts under this account name. The posts were moderated before being accepted. The facility caused too much work and was abolished.
You have replied to a post which was written in 2008, and may have been one of the last that were allowed.

Can we all stop killing each other now in the name of your God's? Since it seems that all are the same any way and they all agree that believers will be rewarded and non believers will be extinguished, let it be.

a reply to: MOMof3

That is the problem a lot of people don't understand that it is all the same, they believe that all these religions are all separate and the Muslims are creating something completely different, they are unfamiliar with when in fact it's all under the same Veil. Same God with different interpretations.