The Pope calls for a "New World Order"!!!

Originally posted by infinite
edition.cnn.com...

Pope John Paul rang in the new year yesterday with a renewed call for peace in the Middle East and Africa and the creation of a new world order based on respect for the dignity of man and equality among nations.

Okay, but earlier in this thread I quoted Ben-16 directly. Your quote of JP-II is second-hand.

I'm sure you'll find a real one tho', I just think JP-II was fighting for the white-magick-NWO front (who also have the Anti-christ idea but for good) that's if you buy all this. I just can't buy John Paul as evil although deceptive, maybe. But politically, it seems like he actually averted nuclear war, so I tend to like the guy. Also, he's got the cult of personality working for him, being so loveable and death-defying and all.

Look, my grandparents and lots of relatives are Irish-Catholic and so I'm not knocking that group of people themselves. Lots of people are Catholic and also lots are Protestant. Lots of people die for either side. In the end, it's an ideaology with a face on it. Sad to say, the truth is that loyalty to Hitler is loyalty to Stalin is loyalty to Bush is loyalty [insert leader here] is loyalty to Ben-16 and the Catholic Church. It's all just loyalty without thought as to who benefits in the end. The underlying motivations are not really hidden.

In all these cases you are choosing the cult of personality. It's discarded as easily as a t-shirt once you tire of the emblem on the front.

The road to salvation doesn't lie in destroying the idea of Jesus and it doesn't require "order" in such form as catholic priests, cult-members and schoolchildren are subject to order. Humans are beautiful, smart and capable of great benevolence due to their individuality. If you look closely, you will find that the enemy is individuality. It is liberalism which must die, if the NWO is to come about. The individual must become nothing.

Truthfully, Order exists inside each of us, and if the World allowed us to look there for it, well that would be New.

[edit, again for clarity, which this post still lacks. Sorry. ]


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Originally posted by Relentless
A New World Order, as seen by these men is not the new world order everyone is afraid of. Their visions are of respect for the dignity of man, equality amoung nations, uniting against poverty, environmental blight and correcting of econonmic imbalances
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Sounds lovelly...but will never happen... unless... off course it is FORCED upon people, and than it would be so respectufull.

the reason i say this "respect based New World Order" will never happen is because there will always be people who wnat something that belongs to soemone else, wether that is land, money, prestige, fame...or even women.

Thats the nature of the "beast" (human race), and we may all think, we as a race are evolving and becoming more acceptable, repectable or whatever else... but ..,. are we really ?

Also... Let the Pope call for a new world Order of respect, joy and economical balance as he parades in gold embroyded vests...hmmmm... Will the Vatican take the first step to stop the economical embalance ?? will the UN ?? will the Hollywood starst ??? NOPE !.... all of them tell the middle-class to GIVE... give what ? last time i checked i didnt own private jets, gold embroyded vestes, or palces covered in marble ...

and this is why ...The Age of Enlightement and balance and equlaty will never happen unless its forced upon manking... but than it won be an age of respec will it ?

"Application of the name Vaticanum seems to have been to the shrine of the Magna Mater"

In other words the cult of Tiamat (the great Serpent of the waters slain by Baal Hadad, in Roman legend identified usually with Gaia, sometimes Chronos). Later Marduk (Zeus/Jupiter) became the primary deity (always was in Babylon, just migrated to Rome, and the cult of the Magna Mater was then prohibited)

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Look at this-

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Revelations 18:

18:2 He cried with a mighty voice, saying, "Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great, and she has become a habitation of demons, a prison of every unclean spirit, and a prison of every unclean and hateful bird!

18:3 For all the nations have drunk of the wine of her impure passion, the kings of the earth committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth grew rich from the abundance of her luxury."

18:4 *** I heard another voice from heaven, saying, "Come out of her, my people, that you have no participation in her sins, and that you don't receive of her plagues,***

18:5 for her sins have reached to the sky, and God has remembered her iniquities.

18:6 Return to her just as she returned, and repay her double as she did, and according to her works. In the cup which she mixed, mix to her double.

Lets burn the pope at the stake! I never liked the guy anyway. He looks kind of scarey anyways.

He was a member of the Hitler youth too. Between the Nazi's and the Catholics if they have you for the first 7 years of your life they have you forever.

Beware of the False Prophet. Jesus said he would first come as a thief and a liar. I think that these twisted individuals within the government are actually going to fake the return of Christ. If you see Jesus giving an interview on Fox news then something is definately a miss.





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Humb, erm....I may not be too much of a fan of the pope and Catholicism's version of Christianity, but let's be sensitive to other members on the board.

Hello

Please have a look at the following thread for the real meaning of Benoit XVI Message to the world. Thank you.

www.belowtopsecret.com...

pfff let them say whatever they want im gonna throw the nwo anyway

He called for a complete unity of nations and religious ideology in that speech(and even inferred that peace can only be obtained after that collusion). Ive seen the Popes praise the UN several times before. Too suspicious....

Originally posted by Nakash
I'd have to say that the top enemies of Christianity will come from within, not from Aliens, foreign religions, or secular ideologies. It's the most logical assumption, and the one our scriptures expect us to take.

Vati:

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Soothsayer, prophet, diviner

Latin Grammar aids:

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The details don't matter, the only way anyone can stop a NWO is if all peoples of the world come together against it, otherwise, bye-bye rights, bye-bye "a Better Life", bye-bye "Thinking for Yourself". It's all over, and a war could break out, possibly a World War, it may come, but it's just scary knowing Aluduox Huxley has been right for a long long long time, as well as some other notable authors. But if WE want to stop it as a community, if we want to have "Our Lifes", screw theirs, "Celebrities" may be the only exception here at all.


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Originally posted by Corporal

Originally posted by CugSo the full Latin name of the Vantican, vaticanus mons means "prophecy from the hill" or hill of prophecy.

Vaticanus or Vaticanum doesn't ''mean'' anything. (Mons or Collis means hill.) The Vatican is just the name of the hill. (The hill at the west side of the Tiber to be exact.)

I don't mean to belittle you but you do seem to misinterpretate Latin a lot.

ahem

www.stpetersbasilica.org...
The Mons Vaticanus, or Vatican Hill, derives its name from the worship of Cybele, whose fertility rites associated with her youthful lover Attis were performed here, ex vaticinatione archigalli - that is to say in accordance with the prophecies of the goddess' high priest. On this hill of prophecy the annual spring festival was held. A pine tree, the phallic symbol of Attis, was reared outside the temple in preparation for the Day of Blood.

Kudos, smallpeeps

Above all this, I've got this feeling that all what Ratzinger (and Benedict 16) has been doing in the Vatican yet is to push the Catholic Church to its monstruous extent and show its ugliest side to the world... all this (perhaps?) in the hope of creating massive apostasy among its followers. To destroy the Church from within, this is what he's doing, in other words!

Don't get me wrong, John XXIII and John Paul 1 have been great popes with humanistic and progressive ideas, dedicated to bring the Church somewhat closer to the message of the Christ and its commands to the Apostles, but they were either politically isolated (for the first one) or simply assassinated (for the latter). But there's someting wicked with Ratzinger's permanent motivation to make the Church into the repugnant despotic religion of intolerance and hypocrisy that it has been for too many years in the past... this man has agenda, which goes beyond the demented convictions of the Opus Dei and all other right wing extremists within the Church. Remember that when he received his title, he declared publicly that he, as the "laborer of God" was on a quest to do nothing less than reunite Christianity as a whole! This is not to be taken lightly...

I don't know... as the next months or years unfold, the true political agenda of this man will undoubtly be revealed. I say prepare for the worst...

As for me, even though I won't be Catholic much longer, I'll keep my faith until the end.

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His Predecessor was worse. JP1 and Pope Leo were the only recent popes I had some respect for (of course I'm not really Catholic so my opinion on what a good pope should be is quite different).

This is my first visit to this site and I've had a good laugh reading through the three pages of 'opinions' ... here's mine.

The NWO (New World Order) is a term that's been used since I was a child, I can remember watching t.v. preachers talking about it and just this past weekend my family somehow had a conversation about it.

My Grandmother is 83 years old and she recalls the talk about a NWO from the times of her youth, she also remembers that her daddy often spoke of how fearful he was as a child because people often talked about it.

I read on this forum that someone tried to translate 'Vatican' and it came out with a few variations and that someone else seems to think that the Pope isn't human.

This is my take ... who cares?

I don't believe that a NWO will ever be in place, if it is I'm sure that I wont be here to see it and y'all wont either. No one can pinpoint the exact day that the world will end, no one will know that either and why spend time worrying about it ... just live.

The government probably covers up a lot of stuff, we'll never know about it so it does us no good to ponder and just gives me a headache.

The world is filled with children that are being molested, beaten and abused everyday ... no one cares about them and it's a cold hard fact that our children are our future, the Pope wants to reach out to the children too.

Does that mean he's gonna start his plan of destruction with them or that he's just a religious man with big hopes?

Personally I'm still amazed that I can plug up a lamp in my living room, the light comes on, the light company knows I'm using energy and exactly what it costs!

The world has been plagued with problems since the beginning, the whole Satan concept doesn't match up so where did he even come in at and why is he even a piece of the plan?

Conspiracy, Pope issues, aliens and the sort have become issues to occupy our thoughts just like our ancestors feared witches and the like.

The fact is we all love to talk abou these things and it's fun.

There are evil like people in the world, rapists, murderers, countless religions, crimes that go unpunished, places where money rules, conspiracies, lies, dark corners and shady things just like there's a lot of good people, people that fight against corruption, those that always see a brighter side to anything that's bad, people that nurure children and have a heart for their fellow man.

I think that I'm gonna go watch Power Rangers with the most important people on this earth: my two sons and I hope that everyone can realize what's important in their lives and enjoy their lives.

In the end, we can only control ourselves and that's what we should concentrate on rather than disecting the intentions or clues that point to bad things about the Pope.

I'm not a catholic, a lot of my friends are and I know them very well. They're smart people and I love 'em, I don't believe they're religious radicals in any way. They are human just like me and they make their own decisions, just like all the other people around the world.

I've had fun looking through here and if you've been bored enough to read my post ... turn off the pc and go somewhere! LOL

Happy Holidays!

If it's not a big deal, why were people who believed in the NWO called crazy by the media and others? Just like with Bohemian Grove; it didn't exist, and only kooks thought it did. Then, when Alex Jones blew it open, it changed to "well, we lied, it exists, but it's good." Just like some people will say the NWO is good.

Y'all should read smallpeeps' post, and better yet, look around. If we're ok with torturing enemies and "terror suspects," well, most of us (see this thread), we'll be ok with it if the terrorists are against the order. Thus, when you finally realize what's happening, if it's too late to stop it, you'll be hauled off in a black van and never heard from again, and everyone will be like, "well, the govt said he/she was a terrorist."

Okay, maybe I should really stop quoting people twice in a thread. But I really think it's kinda disturbing he uses the phrase "New World Order". I think he'd be worried about his reputation getting any sort of controversy, especially considering how popular the last pop was. Hanging out with U2 and all.

Every year there are people engaging in Devil worship, brandishing swatikas, and bowing to a giant owl in Bohemian Grove. Many if not most of our leaders are members of that club and have been to that ritual (cremation of care). Somehow this is NOT important.

Somehow......

Originally posted by Dulcimer
I hate it when people on ATS jump on every little thing like its the end of the world.

I need to speak my mind on this one.....

Jumping on this because he says "new world order" is stupid.

If he wants to "trick" people he better damn well get out there and start tricking because I havnt seen him much on tv or such lately have you?

Big players leading within the New World Order are not trying to trick anyone at this point. They are merely testing the waters to see where the masses are in their conditioning and desensitization by blatantly testing thresholds. At this point we are ripe for the picking... Barely any opposition with being surveillanced, brutalized by police thugs, many make excuses for the behavior of law enforcement, the military etc. Many can't get passed the left vs right paradigm (liberal vs con) (republican vs democrat) Many still deny any large conspiracy taking place in world affairs and if they do believe, it is minimal and shelved up with the other fictional books.

These poor translations of vatican and the history of christianity are rather bewlidering. "vatican" has nothing to do with snakes. The papacy has nothing to do with the cult of the Magna Mater. The most that can be said is that the pope's hat is similar to that worn by some mithraic church leaders, and that the name is the same as the leader of the mithraic church in rome. But thats not particularly meaningful, since 'pope' is just a slang/vulgar latin word for 'father', 'poppa'. Even regular preists today are called 'father'.

Originally posted by Echtelion
I was a catholic until today... I'll go ask for an excruciation.

This is all it takes for you to loose your faith? I highly doubt that
you are actually a Catholic. AND it's called excommunication ...
not excruciation.

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This is all it takes for you to loose your faith? I highly doubt that
you are actually a Catholic. AND it's called excommunication ...
not excruciation

I think he meant to spell it this way,,,and I almost fell out of my chair laughing