The Netherlands may ban the Burqa

The Government of the Netherlands has proposed a ban on wearing Burqas in public. They are arguing that the Burqas can prevent proper integration into Dutch society for those who wear it and that it is also a matter of safety as a Burqa can allow people to conceal their identity.

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A motion to ban burqas robes that cover the entire body and veil the face passed in an 80-70 vote in parliament late on Tuesday, and the government is drafting a Bill to make the proposal into law.

There may be another unspoken reason which it to discourage further Islamic immigration or at least discourage fundamentalist muslims from immigrating into the Netherlands.

I'm all in favor of this as it's a bit unnerving to see news footage from places like Britain and France that show women covered up as if they're living under the Taliban in Afghanistan.

The move does not surprise me in the least and something that is long overdue. It is no different then banning hoodies in
Britain.

I had to renew my DL a while back in summer there was an Islamic woman who was applying for one and they asked her to remove the veil for the photo and she said no it was against her religion. The lady at the counter told her well if you do not want to show your face you cannot get a license. Needless to say she left in a huff shouting this is discrimination to which the officer said it applies to everyone mam and has nothing to do with your religion, it is the law.





[edit on 12/23/2005 by shots]

It was about time.

May be they will find also how much Koran spreading hate and will ban it also.

Originally posted by AceOfBase
I'm all in favor of this as it's a bit unnerving to see news footage from places like Britain and France that show women covered up as if they're living under the Taliban in Afghanistan.

On the one hand, I think that the burqa is disgusting. On the other, its rather odd for a government to dictate clothing habits, but at least there is a security concern here. In many places actually you can't walk around with a mask on.

Whats key here is assimilation. Burqas are an obvious impediment to assimilation, the entire idea behind them is to limit contact and shelter. And immigrants that fail to assimilate tend to riot.

ultra-phoenix
May be they will find also how much Koran spreading hate and will ban it also

Thats absurd. The bible is used to spread hatred and justify horrible things, but you can't ban it.

shots
and she said no it was against her religion.

Its not against the religion, thats the thing. Its a bogus claim. Nowhere in the koran does it say that women must hide their faces, at most good muslim women are urged to dress modestly.

this is some rasicst discrimanating poo.....not all muslim women cover there faces ffs...grow up....banning a women from from covering her hair and leaving her face exposed is a complete attack at muslims.....muslims are becoming like the jews being attacked globally...its misunderstanding and misinterpretation that makes you ignorant people hate something you dont understand

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[edit on 1/1/2006 by Mirthful Me]

Originally posted by q_ball
this is some rasicst discrimanating poo.....not all muslim women cover there faces ffs...grow up....banning a women from from covering her hair and leaving her face exposed is a complete attack at muslims.....[/url]

If only a small percentage of muslim women wear burqas then why is there a problem with this law?

The Netherlands is not a muslim country so I don't see why they should allow fundamentalist Islamic dress, especially when it can present a security risk.

You know what's really racist is those muslim countries that require all women to cover themselves regardless of their religion. What's their excuse?

Wearing a burqa is as much a part of Islamic faith as suicide bombing. They're not commanded in their 'book' but too many act like they are, promote them like they are, and 'demand' they be accepted as 'required' by their faith even when they know they aren't.

They're both as much a part of Islam as paedophilia is a part of Catholisism, even if they all did it, it wouldn't make it right.

Moslems, there are 'faiths' that practice nudity, can they demand the same rights for their public religious expression in 'your' neighbourhoods? At least you could see if they they carried a bomb onto your bus.

Every Islamic who won't follow the laws of the land they CHOOSE to live in, is going against the teachings of their faith. Removing a burqa for a licence photo is not against the faith, abusing those employed to carry out the law, FOR carrying out the law, is.

I'm sorry, but you should sack your P.R. directors because your constant use of P.C. whining, bleating, squealing and screaming is doing Islam much more harm than good.

Just look at what politically involved American Christians have done to the world wide respect for Christianity.

For just one day I'd love to see every anti Christian comic, joke, satire and insult in the worlds media and entertainment be anti Islam, at least then both faiths would have a common experiance of the difference between discrimination and insult. Christians are insulted constantly, through all outlets, Moslems are discriminated against by NOT being insulted.

P.S. Damn, I just noticed I used the word, "squealing". I'm sorry if you think I "deeply offended" Islamics by useing a complaining sound that's associated with pigs, but if you did it's your own sick, twisted problem. As an English speaking person who loves all God's creatures, I "demand" the "right" to full use of my language and expression.

[edit on 1-1-2006 by suzy ryan]

I agree that if these people migrate to another country to become part of that country they should be in compliance of the laws of the country they are living in.

If they don't like the laws of that country nobody is stopping them from going back to where they came from and where they are free to keep their traditions.

Lots of muslin women that I have encounter here in the US so far while they cover their heads with a head scarf they show their faces.

Actually I have not seen any of them completely cover from head to toe.

Oh for crying out loud, I give up and accept that there will be a great war between Islam and the west.

Moslems demand to be able to ignor and change laws everywhere they go (and don't they just get everywhere) but Australia has banned flying it's National Flag, at one of it's most famous tourist destination, so as not to upset them.

Funny how the religion of 'peace and tolerance' has spread so much anger and division around the world attempting to force it's intolerant and frightening doctrines of their mortal men, on other truely peacefull and tolerant Nations.

suzy_ryan

you are what represents the ignorant minority or the hidden rascism in our greta country of Australia. Australia is a free country and democracy you can practise your religion as you please, be that wearing a burqa or not..how ever how could you comapre nudity to wearing a burqa? cheese and chalk....in these muslims countries they ARENT democratic you know what to expect in them befor eyou enter...you dont exactly walk into saudi arabia thinking you can walk around practising elements of western democracy knowing its illegal...its a muslim country, the law of the land is obvious. In australia, though founded on christian beliefs, it is multicultural..a muslim women should not be required to take her burqa off in public..if she must for a licence, it should be done in aprivate room in front of another female...its just respectful of another culture in australia, not the other way around. Also on a final note, who are you to say that suicide bombing is a part of islam?? i am a muslim, australian born and in all my yrs i have never come across an australian muslim, be they born here or a migrant who believe the idea of suicide bombing. SO take you head out of the sand and stop viewing the world via a corrupt and bias media..wake up to the gray area...

Originally posted by q_ball

....in these muslims countries they ARENT democratic you know what to expect in them befor eyou enter...you dont exactly walk into saudi arabia thinking you can walk around practising elements of western democracy knowing its illegal...its a muslim country, the law of the land is obvious. In australia, though founded on christian beliefs, it is multicultural..a muslim women should not be required to take her burqa off in public..if she must for a licence, it should be done in aprivate room in front of another female...its just respectful of another culture in australia, not the other way around.

This type of multiculuralism needs to end.
Just as you should know the law of the land in muslim countries, you should also know the law of the land in western countries.

If religion is that damned important to some muslims that they feel the need to cover themselves completely then they are better off moving to another #ing country where that type of behavior is accepted.

It should not be allowed in Australia, the Netherlands, Britain, France, etc...

Originally posted by AceOfBase

Originally posted by q_ball

....in these muslims countries they ARENT democratic you know what to expect in them befor eyou enter...you dont exactly walk into saudi arabia thinking you can walk around practising elements of western democracy knowing its illegal...its a muslim country, the law of the land is obvious. In australia, though founded on christian beliefs, it is multicultural..a muslim women should not be required to take her burqa off in public..if she must for a licence, it should be done in aprivate room in front of another female...its just respectful of another culture in australia, not the other way around.

This type of multiculuralism needs to end.
Just as you should know the law of the land in muslim countries, you should also know the law of the land in western countries.

If religion is that damned important to some muslims that they feel the need to cover themselves completely then they are better off moving to another #ing country where that type of behavior is accepted.

It should not be allowed in Australia, the Netherlands, Britain, France, etc...

then thats not democracy now is it.???????

Originally posted by q_ball
then thats not democracy now is it.???????

They should put it to a vote then.
If the majority of voters agrees to ban burqas, hijabs, etc, then they can pass a law that bans them.

Taking in consideration the way things are in the world with radical muslin women and men willing to give their lives for their radical cause.

I do not see any problem with the rightful government of the countries they are guess in to force them into accepting the laws of that country.

Is should be done for national security.

To bad that the good muslin people has to pay for the sins of the few bad ones.

Is the burqa just so other men don't get attracted to them?
Doesn't sound like something a god would say. Anyway, they should learn to control themeselves better.

Sorry you chose to miss my point q-ball, I said, "neigbourhood" not an Islamic country.

You mustn't follow any of the other threads on religion. If wearing a burqa against the law of land is permited on religious grounds then every law of the land has to be under threat from the demands of other religions.

I'm glad you know no Aussie Moslems into bombing but, I think the courts will still be busy for a while with those so charged.

This being the case, to many Aussies, a naked person getting on your bus would be alot less offensive and frightening than someone covered from head to toe and shapeless.

Now if an article of clothing, that is not called for by the text of their "Holy Book", still is allowed on religious grounds, then there's nothing against the law of the land that can be restricted, if a religion has text to back it up, without descriminating against them and possitively discriminating for Islam.

Demanding to be able to wear a burqa is AS ridiculous as public nudity. Bright, young intelligent, educated women have blown themselves up in the name of their faith so these consealing garments are causing fear and distress to many people.

Islamics, aware of this yet demanding the right to keep scaring people, despite their faith not actually calling for the offensive garment, are those being ignorant at best, racist or just plain arrogantly rude.

There's only one Moslem I've known who I didn't like, but she was SO Horrible, it was only her own selfishness that would keep her from bombing. All the others are cool, decent Aussies who admit this demand causes more harm than good.

Possitive discrimination is still discrimination and creates alot of disharmony in itself.

Islam calls for it's followers to obey the law of the land but not for the wearing of burqas yet they demand to be able to break the law of the land to wear something that their faith does not call for.

That is overt racism on their part and not being a good Moslem.
Modest dress is something we can all live with.

Demanding burqas isn't ignorant, these arn't all uneducated people, but deliberately insighting fear and disharmony as they(buqas) are as much a part of Islam as suicide bombing, neither is, yet both are done under the name of Islam and both scare the hell out of people because those who can support one aspect of Islam, not called for in their "Holy Book", could also support the other.

[edit on 2-1-2006 by suzy ryan]

WOW!

Anyone up for some denial of ignorance?

How bout judging people for actions and not their clothing or fashion?
No?
Wake up.
Democracy or Facism?

"DON'T JUDGE A BOOK BY IT'S COVER"

Originally posted by theBLESSINGofVISION

Seriously, why care what people wear?
Why?

Care about what they do!
Their actions!

The actions of fundamentalist muslims are even worse than what hey wear.

Honor killings, gang rape, jihad, etc..

Anything that can stop the spread of fundamentalist Islam, or at least keep fundamentalist muslims out of western nations, should be employed.

That includes banning the Burqa.

Originally posted by AceOfBase

Originally posted by theBLESSINGofVISION

Seriously, why care what people wear?
Why?

Care about what they do!
Their actions!

The actions of fundamentalist muslims are even worse than what hey wear.

Honor killings, gang rape, jihad, etc..

Anything that can stop the spread of fundamentalist Islam, or at least keep fundamentalist muslims out of western nations, should be employed.

That includes banning the Burqa.

I don't see it that way and you know me Ace. I see this as fundimentalist Westernism. Ban the Burqa? Why don't we throw Levi's into that mix? How about Nike's? If you(general) just want to debase a certain nationallity this is the way to go. A slippery path that leads us towards less tollerance and becoming what you(general) are deriding.

Originally posted by AceOfBase
The actions of fundamentalist muslims are even worse than what hey wear.

I agree. My point exactly. Not even in the same category.

Originally posted by AceOfBase
Honor killings, gang rape, jihad, etc..

Yes this must end!

Originally posted by AceOfBase
Anything that can stop the spread of fundamentalist Islam, or at least keep fundamentalist muslims out of western nations, should be employed.

That includes banning the Burqa.

Clothing? What a petty and small minded gesture. The problem is the actions not the dress. How bout we focus on the REAL issues instead of these misguided distractions.