I think jesus was an alien..dont you?

Originally posted by Merger
Forgive me if I have offended you.......

My sources are credible, and have links to top secret government knowledge. I also received information by reading the 'Talmud of Jmmanual' which is another close gospel to jesus, but was rejected by main stream christianity.

I used to be a christian, mormon, muslim, scientologist etc.... but have progressed further in my research.

I also know that the Torah, otherwise known as the old testament was created by the beings of Sirius A and passed down to humanity. I also know the new testament was re-written by the piso illuminati families during the roman empire. I also know that revelations was re-designed by the illuminati to fulfill their own agenda.

You can believe in whatever you want to believe in thats your choice, i'm not here to convince you, nor am I 'bashing' the christian faith.

Kind Regards
Merger

What else do you know?...maybe about planet nibiru?

Niburu was inhabited by the Reptilian humonoids called the annunaki.

Unfortunately, it was destroyed as it passed by Jupiter in 2003. This was an Illuminati target.

The Annunaki are responsible for the creation of the black races in africa, and were to return to see how everything progressed. This is why AIDS was introduced into the black population, so that the Annunaki would have no further interest.

Again - from Stewart Swerdlow.

Kind Regards
Merger

Cicada,i agree the queens english when used properly is more accurate to get points across, but i think you are being a bit hard, the americans have different spellings, ie, color or colour, other nations have different phrasiology (i,m not even sure if my spelling is 100%) this site is for people with similar interests, you cannot (i was going to say can,t he he) expect people to be completely articulate, they may have info or news that you do not have ,so i welcome it, lighten up a little,we are not all like you, highly educated, and they are trying ,mike

CICADA......
1) I was not chastising you i was mearly conversating.......
2) this stuff that was written by the vedics is not in anyway new age ...most of it predates judiasm by 2000 years or more........
3) i do not have a phsycosis or any other mental problem.....i am however
aware of the materialism of this world, maybe your not......but to put it in better terms let us say "give to ceasar what is ceasars...give to god what is gods"........i believe it was jesus who said that......and i believe he was making a reference to the fact you cant give money to apease god because god is not material.......god (atman) is the center the end all be all of exisistance .....you cant take it with you when you die.....but you still have your soul.......
so if you enter a place and dwell there for awhile and you accumilate possessions ...then you leave but you relise that you cant leave with these things ... you were able to leave but not your material possessions........
what does that mean???????
when you die do you take possessions with you?????
no you dont because they are material and in true reality material does not exists........but until you are aware of your "inner" knowledge you will be blinded by your "outer"........like i said when you die you cant take material possessions with you......think about it..
3) the text that i have gotten my info from are......
the vedic text...
1)bhagavad gita...
2)the 12 books of the upanishads
3)the wisdom of the vedas.....
i have read some books by A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
1)beyond birth and death
2)the perfection of yoga
3)science of self realization
4)perfect questions, perfect answers
5)nectar of instruction
6)nectar of devotion
i have also read the bible ......along with alot of other religious/spiritual/mythological books.......

i have also come to alot of these coclusions on my own..using common sense ......like i said you cant take it with youwhen you die....

Originally posted by Merger
Niburu was inhabited by the Reptilian humonoids called the annunaki.

Unfortunately, it was destroyed as it passed by Jupiter in 2003. This was an Illuminati target.

The Annunaki are responsible for the creation of the black races in africa, and were to return to see how everything progressed. This is why AIDS was introduced into the black population, so that the Annunaki would have no further interest.

Again - from Stewart Swerdlow.

Kind Regards
Merger

Thats intresting..im really not sure how true that is...personally i think nibiru is not destroyed..i think it still exsist and it will return..i did think that reptillan humaniods lived aboard it..but there other races with them,such as winged humans..and bird ppl...i read nibiru was part of the galactic federation..and its mission is to help less advanced races like us..to become part of the major universal races..when they first arrived on earth,,they came to seed our planet with life,,i guess we could say in africa...they needed gold also for there crippled atmosphere due to a war they had been in..im just going to believe that its still around,,but if it isnt, then oo well...

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Originally posted by plague
CICADA......
1) I was not chastising you i was mearly conversating.......
2) this stuff that was written by the vedics is not in anyway new age ...most of it predates judiasm by 2000 years or more........
3) i do not have a phsycosis or any other mental problem.....i am however
aware of the materialism of this world, maybe your not......but to put it in better terms let us say "give to ceasar what is ceasars...give to god what is gods"........i believe it was jesus who said that......and i believe he was making a reference to the fact you cant give money to apease god because god is not material.......god (atman) is the center the end all be all of exisistance .....you cant take it with you when you die.....but you still have your soul.......
so if you enter a place and dwell there for awhile and you accumilate possessions ...then you leave but you relise that you cant leave with these things ... you were able to leave but not your material possessions........
what does that mean???????
when you die do you take possessions with you?????
no you dont because they are material and in true reality material does not exists........but until you are aware of your "inner" knowledge you will be blinded by your "outer"........like i said when you die you cant take material possessions with you......think about it..
3) the text that i have gotten my info from are......
the vedic text...
1)bhagavad gita...
2)the 12 books of the upanishads
3)the wisdom of the vedas.....
i have read some books by A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
1)beyond birth and death
2)the perfection of yoga
3)science of self realization
4)perfect questions, perfect answers
5)nectar of instruction
6)nectar of devotion
i have also read the bible ......along with alot of other religious/spiritual/mythological books.......

i have also come to alot of these coclusions on my own..using common sense ......like i said you cant take it with youwhen you die....

Another amazing post

St.Michael,

I was completely sincere in my advice and I'm sorry you read what I said as being mean or facetious. I did make the same point as you about the factors affecting various individuals' grammatical skills and making allowances for them. The thing is, this is a written medium of communication. I read very clearly, in the posts in question, a frustration at not being able to express complex concepts in a readable manner and I felt actual sympathy. This frustration is being repeatedly expressed through insults and even a veiled threat or two. A little conversational etiquette goes a long way for making sloppy language skills more tolerable. Sorry if I offended. Stronger language abilities will only empower an individual. The reason there are so many words in the English (and all other) language is not because there are multiple simple synonyms for the same basic concepts, but because language evolves for the purpose of communicating complex conceptions, with subtle but important nuances of meaning. I don't see it so much as a matter of being highly educated but rather of being highly self educated, which comes naturally from the regular reading of various materials. Despite some half-claims of sources, I find you can usually tell how well read an individual is by the quality of their use of the written word.

CICADA......
now i know that im not the best speller in the world and my grammer "suxs", although its not that bad....this is not because i dont read ..infact im quite a well read person ....i dont really take time to pause to make shure my grammer is correct ..as im not here for the A.T.S. world spelling bee and grammer playoffs.... if you can read and understand thats all that matters.... no i dont care if what i say sways you to one side or the other.....thats not why im here.....
I have noticed in other post that you take shots at people and then when called on it you act like your being miss read.....this whole thing between me and you started because you tried insulting in a round about way MAJIC who was just trying to convey his beliefs......and there was no need to do that.....
im sorry that i am intellectually inferior to you, and that because you can use proper english and spelling that you are supperior to me....im sorry that i did not feel the need to present passages from my books as a tool to fight with....because all i need is common sense.......
i mean really like i said before what happens to your possessions when you die.????......do you take them with you???.......so what is more real, these materialistic things or your soul????......oh yea im not the only one who has thought this ...there was ghanndi, muhammad, and jesus just to name a few......so for being an ignorant person im in some great company.....
"inner" and "outer " knowledge is real......as real as your conscious and subconscious......now im apologising for my above statements as i do not like to insult people (it creates bad karma) but i feel as though i must defend myself............

plague,

Thanks, I'm familiar with the Vedas. I think you will find that much of what is involved in the New Age movement utilizes ancient sources. Affected modern conceptions of Vedic literature are certainly a major parcel of the movement. I am quite conversant in comparative mythology and know a great deal about the Indo-European migration and the commonalties in the language and mythological systems. I must say that your take on Hindu concepts are far removed from any that I've encountered and to me still sound more like misconstrued Gnosticism amalgamated with "The X Files". Eastern religions and philosophies, as well as those of the so-called pagan religions, and the systems of hunter-gatherer societies, do not possess the psychophysical dualism as you suggest it. Beyond that, you have been highly critical of people forming their personal belief systems based on the Bible. Even if your conception of Hinduism is correct, which it isn't, why are the Vedas any more valid then the Bible? I'd venture to say that it is because the information in the Vedas, like that in the epics of the ancient Near East, is much more foreign to the majority of people in the Western world, and therefore much easier to fudge your way through.

I have no idea how the trite cliche "You can't take it with you" in any way relates to proving the existence of a soul as quite obviously I have no conception that I am going anywhere after I die. Please don't mistake the employment of a cliched expression as the employment of common sense. Also, please don't confuse modern day notions of materialism, meaning a desire to acquire unnecessary goods out of selfish greed, with the appreciation of the manifest material quality of nature. Do you get the difference? Here's the Merriam-Webster definition:

ma·te·ri·al·ism
Pronunciation: m&-'tir-E-&-"li-z&m
Function: noun
1 a : a theory that physical matter is the only or fundamental reality and that all being and processes and phenomena can be explained as manifestations or results of matter b : a doctrine that the only or the highest values or objectives lie in material well-being and in the furtherance of material progress c : a doctrine that economic or social change is materially caused -- compare HISTORICAL MATERIALISM
2 : a preoccupation with or stress upon material rather than intellectual or spiritual things.

You're merging together definition number one and definition number two. Also please note that energy and spirit are not the same thing. I did not call you a psychotic, I merely suggested that what you were presenting as a universal common experience concerning sequestered portions of "knowledge" in conflict sounded more like a description of the sensation of cognitive dissonance.

I respect the teachings of A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. I'm no expert on the Hare Krishna movement, but I'm not aware of any extraterrestrial element within their core beliefs. As far as I can see Prabhupada would view such notions as a heresy.

where do you get the et thing?????? no there were no preachings of the swami that conclude this nor did i say they were once again you are twisting or misunderstanding my words.... yes i believe in ets but that had nothing to do with materialism and if your so well read on the swamis work then you would see that my view on vedic religion is not far removed.....if you were versed at all in vedic religion you would see that my veiw is there view......

i hold the vedic literature so highly because it is much older then the judaic teachings that judiasm ,christianity, and muslim sprouted from......they do not entirely base there teachings on the fundementals of this world but the fundementals of the "self".....its not that i can "fudge" my way through it ....they seem to be more in touch with reality then anyone else...they seem to no things that others dont....there journee to god is not easy and sometimes hard to except.......to me it seems like the only way to truly know yourself and god.......

yes i was introduced to the vedic knowledge through the hare krsnas ...i used to go to temple on sundays (still would but have no trans) and learned most of my teachings through them.......and as you can see from my list i have read a good bit of vedic literature........

i see though that you have some sharp wit and like to twist words to help in your argumaent.....this is fine twist as you will .........
also as far as hindu goes i use the word hindu because it is an easy reference point.....but if you know anything about the vedic/hindu/hare krisnas you would know this.......
the vedas were early indians that founded the vedic tradition........then after years went on they were invaded by people in the north ... they began to mingle there two religions into one which is now known as hindu.......later on hare krsna movement was founded to move the indians back to the wisdom of the vedas or back to godhead as they like to call it.......but then again you being versed enough in the vedic tradition you probably know this..........

[edit on 26-12-2005 by plague]

Originally posted by plague
....i dont really take time to pause to make shure my grammer is correct ..as im not here for the A.T.S. world spelling bee and grammer playoffs.... if you can read and understand thats all that matters....

What an incredibly inconsiderate attitude to hold about communication. Apparently your listening abilities are about as sharp as your communication abilities and your respect for others seemingly nonexistent. How very spiritual. My point is that your posts are not easy to read or understand. If you are that disinterested in your audience one has to wonder why you expect anyone to care about what you have to say.

Originally posted by plague
I have noticed in other post that you take shots at people and then when called on it you act like your being miss read.....this whole thing between me and you started because you tried insulting in a round about way MAJIC who was just trying to convey his beliefs......and there was no need to do that.....

I do say that a lot but I've never meant it in the way you seem to be suggesting. It's a fair enough point and I accept your criticism. I too struggle to convey complex subjects in a way that is easy to comprehend. It's not always easy to gauge the level of background material on a given subject that your potential audience is aware of, as one example. Misunderstandings do occur. When they do the fault is mine and not the person reading what I've written. I don't claim to be perfect, but at least I'm trying. I did enter into the conversation on this thread in a mocking manner due to a previous interaction with MP420 on a different thread. In that exchange he referred to me as "lazy brained" because I did not share his viewpoint on the topic at hand. At the time he made this statement we were not in direct communication. I thought that someone that felt so liberal about tossing out derogatory comments without provocation deserved to be challenged a little. This was a childish reaction on my part but I'm rather vain and prideful (you know how we materialists are). For what it is worth, I do not feel the questions I posed were very successfully met, do you? I really found the whole topic funny, and I swear I really thought it was all a gag, until the connections to the dark paranoid delusions of types like Stewert Swerdlow entered the discussion. It stopped being funny for me at that point.

Originally posted by plague
im sorry that i am intellectually inferior to you, and that because you can use proper english and spelling that you are supperior to me....im sorry that i did not feel the need to present passages from my books as a tool to fight with....because all i need is common sense.......

Please don't misread me. It was not my intention to say that you were intellectually inferior to me or that my grammar skills make me superior to you. I was being sincere and think that you should consider taking another look at what I was saying instead of just having a knee-jerk reaction. Presenting sources is not about fighting, it's about consideration for your audience. It's about verifiability. If I were interested only in looking better than you than I would not have offered you the advice that I did. Coming across as knowledgeable on your own topics is only going to make your arguments stronger. No matter how you slice it your sense is not common. Are we to believe that you a) feel that your worldview is popularly held and b) that the holding of a sensibility by a majority of a population relates to the validity of that sensibility?


[edit on 26-12-2005 by Cicada]

CICADA.......
ok fair enough.....your right maybe i should take better care of my grammer if i expect to be taken serious......and i will try... think you for pointing this out.....and yes i realise that i often do have a kneejerk reation to things.....
im sorry if i have offended you or disrespected you in anyway....

with all that said where did i post that aliens would play a role in vedic knowledge???? also what of my view point would be so far off from vedic teachings?????

i would also say that my beliefs are not held worlwide, but are regarded by many in one form or another......maybe common sense was not the best word to choose.... but i feel that these beliefs that ive learned are the truth and they make perfect sense to me and i often cant see why others dont see it......

[edit on 26-12-2005 by plague]

plague,

Thank you, I really appreciate that. I'm not skipping your points, I think we were posting at roughly the same time so there's a little delay in the reactions.

Originally posted by plague
with all that said where did i post that aliens would play a role in vedic knowledge???? also what of my view point would be so far off from vedic teachings?????

Sorry, that was a misconception I held, I suppose, due to the title of this thread. I'm not a Hindu, I don't claim to be anything but casually familiar with the Vedas (I've read portions, obviously translated), Prabhupada or the Hare Krishna movement, and I do not think that I suggested otherwise. As a Hare Krishna, or a derivative of that movement, you are a member of a modern day form of Hinduism, based upon the ancient Vedas, but just one of many, many interpretations, as one would expect of a system of such an age and size. I can only glean what I can about your belief system from what you tell us. I don't believe that psychophysical dualism is an original aspect of the Vedas, but that's a big and different topic, and I suppose I'm the one with the fringe, minority position on that one. Sorry if the way I phrased things gave the wrong impression. I thought your list was presenting Vedic literature and the Krishna movement as evidence of aliens in some way, so I'm sorry about that as well.

Originally posted by MagicPriest420
the best things written in the bible were said by jesus...and 90% of what he said was true..all the stuff about hell was not true...

He said what he says is true, so I guess that's not true either? What about him being the son of God? He's either telling the truth or he is not. We cannot omit the things we don't like to hear and keep only the warm and fuzzies.

www.fillthevoid.org... Jesus=GOD-SUPER ANGEL OR E.T.?!!before time --firstborn-- holds universe together Jesus certainly intervened in nature, calming storms, withering fig trees, healing disease, turning water into wine, raising dead people, etc
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Why do so many people have such a problem with the idea of God intervening in nature?

In my opinion, the flood was a supernatural event, and it is pointless to try to use science to prove the supernatural.

I trust God before I trust science, and I trust His word above all else. I don't think this makes me naive. It just makes me realistic about the differences between the supernatural and the natural. Remember, through God, ALL things are possible.
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It is absolutely, physically impossible to turn water into wine or to bring back to life someone who has been dead for 4 days.

It simply cannot be done.

That is why they are viewed as supernatural miracles that defy the natural order of things.

The flood was definitely something that defied the natural order of things and nothing had happened like it before and nothing has happened like it sense.
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we can't explain those, can we? But we accept them, because we've learned Who Jesus is. Good point

Seeing as how the posters of the Renaissance painting images held to be evidence of extraterrestrial contact do not seem to be forthcoming with the source information I requested, I decided to investigate the matter on my own. The results were rather revealing. Rather than further confuse this already cluttered thread I started a new one:

UFOs in Works of Art

Originally posted by MagicPriest420
Was the star the 3 wise men followed really a starship?

Ofcause, and don't worry about those who can't get their head around things like this.

What was the imporatnce for them to witness jesus birth?

Jesus was a "virgin birth" like we see even today in abduction cases. Artificially done on Mary. It's only natural to watch your work succeed.

Was mary abducted,and then implanted with the divine being called jesus?

Ofcause. God is great, and God is very much alive and so are all those who work for him and his will.

Why did jesus spend a good portion of his childhood in egypt?...was he learning ways to awaken his divine powers,such as walking on water..and reserecting the dead?...remeber the egyptians were good at magic...havent you watched yu-gi-oh..lol.jk

Many things we will have to guess about. It is not important how he "realized" who he was, but that he did, and carried out the mission. God bless him. Imagine the pain they made him feel, and how he still loved us. Is there any other way of demonstrating the ultimate love? Did he demonstrate it? Did a lot of us miss the point? Call him and he will come. But he cares not what your mouth says because it says so many things that you don't really mean. Jesus is a no bull# kind of guy. If you show him that your serious, he WILL come ! You must call him with your heart. He hears your heart!

The thing is that he actually respects your will. So you can call God or Jesus all day and nothing will happen. Only when you call them with your heart will they come. They need to see that you REALLY mean it, because they REALLY respect your will.

Was satan testing jesus powers in the wilderness?

It was a simply recruiting effort, not much different that todays millitary recruiting soldiers for their war. Satan needs "Spiritual Rambos" like Jesus, but he was # out of luck and the rest is history as they say...

Was jesus really speaking to moses in the moutain..and was the cloud god spoke from really an ufo?

Moses was taken onboard their craft, and "shown everything" because "they" trusted him and knew his intentions in his heart. He was then sent to deliver the "laws" that would enable us to be with the holy spirit.

When we sin we do not hurt God, we hurt ourselves and walk away from God. I sin. Everytime I know it's time to run home, so I call, I call with my heart. He always comes. Discover this and your life will forever make sense and you will feel the protective powers of our creator, and the destroyer will not be able to reach you. It's your choice.

There is a war going on, and we choose wich side of the war we want to fight. Choosing nothing leads to the dark side.

the last statement illl make , is on the basis of christanity....as christanity spread thru out the world it sqaushed all most all true beliefs in the GODS'S....the belief in more then one god,or divine being certainly fits well with the concept of aliens,doesnt it!...why even did the earliest civiliazations report stories of more then one god? if there is supposedly only one?,and if they were the earliest known ppl around,why did all of thewm record history of more then one god,..and these gods interacted with humans,just like aliens do with us today!....now all these stories are considered myths..and i find this a shame ,and the cover up of our true history,not what you learned in school....the teachings of jesus , had actually now become the main advantage of satan to keep us from knowing our true history...btw satan is an alien too,but an evil one,a liar and deciever,...he even has you tricked so well you dont even know hes an alien..

To our primitive ancestors aliens appeared to be Gods. There is a war going on all over the universe in the sense that everyone is either working for others or for themselves, for good or for evil. Some of these "Gods" are more evolved beings than us, working for our creator, some of them are working against our creator, but they have limitations. They are only allowed to recruit us. Our creator protects us untill we CHOOSE the side of those who oppose Him.

Anyone who want's to stand for truth, love and all that is good, would be wise to seek an ally in Jesus.
He is very real, and I thiink he will come, in our life time.


Sincerely

Cade

It's easy:

I believe in magic elves. They exist in a magical realm that we can not see, but they can see us. They have magic paintbrushes and they use them to paint the world into existance, moment by moment. They are very good at this but sometimes they make mistakes. They forget to paint objects into the scene sometimes, or paint something in that shouldn't be there. This is why there are ghosts and people loose things like socks and car keys. The fact that there are ghosts and that people lose their keys is 100% proof that this is true. I'm sorry if you can't get your head around it but you should because it is so obvious. There have been pictures of magic elves forever and this also proves it's true. Jesus was one of these elves. It's in the Bible!!!!

My Mother, a former devout Catholic, eventually believed "we" humans are aliens. My good friend, Lynn, also a former devout and-sometimes-still Christian, can believe the voice Moses heard from above was an alien in a ship. I sometimes, for a joke or to make people think, say we are the aliens, that's why we can't find them. The confused faces are priceless. What one species on Earth seems to not belong? Who knows...

Well, my personal belief is that Jesus Christ was just another man like you and I. BUT, there is no reason to think that there is not a possibility that he was an alien. Until I see some more convincing facts I will leave it at that...

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