I think jesus was an alien..dont you?

I propose that you all read THIS thread...

If we all make an effort to communicate in this way, information will be much more useful...

The only thing we should debate is the truth...we know positive and negative energy exsist..so that is TRUTH...we dont need any book to tell us that!...you try to prove what you think by refering to the bible...you want to tell me what god thinks and what jesus thinks..because of what you read..screw that!...but you have not herd it spoken to you..the only god i believe in..is the one that is right inside of me...god is inside you too

Originally posted by Cicada
MagicPriest420,

When is it that you are going to reveal to us the source of your concepts? Did the aliens tell you this stuff? Did you see it in a dream? Read it in a book? Are you here just to preach? Trying to attract your own little E.T. cult?

Your message seems to be the same as Marshall Applewhite's, remember him? He was the leader of that Heaven's Gate millennial cult that committed group suicide in 1997 because they believed some spiritual mothership was following the Hale-Bopp comet and was going to pick up their souls and whisk them off to Planet Heaven. They were so strange and obsessed they all wore Nike sneakers because they thought the swoosh logo represented their magic comet.

Maybe you're more of a joiner than a leader, so here:

Heaven's Gate

Merry Morkmas.

his message is nothing like the heaven gates cult......that was just a lonely old crazy guy who wanted people to listen to him.....anyway majic has some interesting thoughts and theories on our origins and god... some i agree with and some i dont.....but to bash him for his alien beliefs is stupid...especially when half of you still look thru material eyes.....at least he has enough intelligence to think for himself.........and realises that we are more than just a rock full of stupid people floating around in space......

i mean you guys believe a virgin gave birth to the son of god ( which is actually the greek story of alexander the great) but there cant be any aliens

Originally posted by MagicPriest420
The only thing we should debate is the truth...we know positive and negative energy exsist..so that is TRUTH...we dont need any book to tell us that!...you try to prove what you think by refering to the bible...you want to tell me what god thinks and what jesus thinks..because of what you read..screw that!...but you have not herd it spoken to you..the only god i believe in..is the one that is right inside of me...god is inside you too

I think this is an assumption that my relationship with God would be different without the Bible. On the contrary, I found the Bible to match my relationship with God, not the other way around. He and His word, His Son, and the Book are one in the same.

good job shadow88

Originally posted by saint4God


I think this is an assumption that my relationship with God would be different without the Bible. On the contrary, I found the Bible to match my relationship with God, not the other way around. He and His word, His Son, and the Book are one in the same.

you admit that you have a connection to god without ever reading the bible...well i believe the same thing,god is the energy inside us..and you dont need any book to find it....god was with us before the bible was written..JESUS SAID GOD'S KINGDOM(SOUL MATRIX) was right in us..right at the doors..

Originally posted by MagicPriest420
you admit that you have a connection to god without ever reading the bible...

This is true. Though would've remained in spiritual infancy had he not directed me to the Book and told me to get crackin'.

Originally posted by saint4God

Originally posted by MagicPriest420
you admit that you have a connection to god without ever reading the bible...

This is true. Though would've remained in spiritual infancy had he not directed me to the Book and told me to get crackin'.

the best things written in the bible were said by jesus...and 90% of what he said was true..all the stuff about hell was not true...we cant prove it right now,so lets not debate it.....you never needed the bible to expierence god,because since you were a baby...you had knew of god..and were acting as god...your soul/god guided you to the bible because you needed to hear about jesus..thats it!...sure you could have read about the giants..or all the sins of the kings of israel..but that stuff is ancient history that has little to do with spiritaul growth

Originally posted by sleeper
Like I stated in my earlier post most texts contrary to Christian beliefs of that period were destroyed during the reign of the Holy Roman Empire.

Then on what did you base your "research" for your manuscript?

Originally posted by sleeper
There is no sourced material other than what you have read if you have read all of Josephus's writings as well as all the books of the Maccabees.

I've read what I can, but reading the Primary Source that is being debated isn't exactly an indepth research into the topic. Anyone studying Josephus seriously would surely use a long list of secondary sources, commentaries, essays, thesis, and other scholarly writing. What did you use?

Originally posted by sleeper
You either believe that Josephus wrote about Jesus, or you don't.

That is accurate. Your previous post that stated "Josephus didn't write about Jesus the Christ and that is a historic fact" is however contradictory to this statement. Which is it? Is it a debatable opinion, or is it a historic fact?

Originally posted by sleeper
From my research I have concluded that Josephus did not write about Jesus----his books combined with biblical text (New and Old Testament) the information was enough to change my religious beliefs.

I'm not interested in your spiritual beliefs as far as this debate is concerned. Whether someone believes that Jesus is the Messiah is not related to the debate on whether he existed historically. I feel like I'm repeating myself at this point.

Originally posted by sleeper
I can’t give you source material because I am the source of my conclusions.

That's impossible unless you actually knew Josephus personally. In order to come to that conclusion you would have to research many aspects of ancient culture, writing, and history. Just reading Josephus cannot lead to that conclusion any more than it can lead to the conclusion that the text as it exists today is 100% reliable. Unless you have some first draft copy of Josephus (which obviously doesn't exist) then you can't base all your conclusions on the Primary Source alone. How can you say his writings were changed and tampered with over the ages and then say you've based all your conclusions exclusively on those same "tainted" writings? You can't have it both ways.

Originally posted by sleeper
What I have discovered as a truth, you may not agree with----so look for your own truth--assuming you haven’t found it yet.

As far as this debate is concerned the absolute truth is impossible to find. All we can do is compare his writings to others, compare the translations and determine the likelyhood of authenticity. You can't possibly know the "truth" of whether Josephus wrote about Jesus of Nazareth unless as I said before you knew the man personally.

If you meant spiritual truth, then as I keep pointing out, that has nothing to do with the debate.

Bravo DruidTek. It seems to me that that was some of the best advice that could be given on how to communicate on speculative subjects.

MagicPriest420, (you've all caught on to the intellectual use of the number 420 in his ID, right?)
Okay, so your sources are god and researching history. That's a little better than the no answer at all you've been giving for what now seems like forever. In what manner does god communicate with you? In what way do you research history?

plague,
Have a sense of humor. Can't you tell that MP420 is just having a laugh? Don't tell me you take this seriously. Actually, with only a casual knowledge of Heaven's Gate, they seem to relate quite heavily to MP420's belief systems, such as they are. For the sake of easier discussion let's call the theology of MP420 "Morkism". Both Heaven's Gate and the Morkists (okay, Morkist) believe in a garbled hodge-podge of New Agey Christian spiritualism, aliens as the source of all human life, evolution, development, and salvation (actually the salvation aspect of Morkism is a little confusing and seems to vary from post to post). I'm totally receptive to anyone who can come up with something about extraterrestrial contact that is in any way logical or rational. I certainly haven't heard anything closely resembling that in any of the Morkist posts that I've read. Believing whole-heartedly in utter fantasies is what is stupid. If you can prove to me the existence of the spiritual eyes you claim to be able to see through then I may just lament the fact that I only have material eyes. My material eyes are wonders of natural forces that were knit out of atoms forged in the hearts of stars, they receive light, the defining principle of existence, and convert it into messages via electrical bursts down neural pathways and dynamic chemical interactions. My eyes are the only external portions of my brain, and together they convert the message of light into an interactive holographic conception of the beautiful and ugly universe around me. The sublime quality of the existence of my material eyes is enough for me, thanks. I don't need to depend upon faulty premises and butchered mythology to appreciate the continuous marvel that is the Universe.

Why do I keep getting grouped in with the Christians and having things like Virgin births thrown at me? Are you people even paying attention?

Shadow88,
As a Scholar I would think that you would know that it is good form to present the names, nationalities and school of art of the artists, the dates of when the works were created, or at the very least the titles of the images so people would have at least a realistic chance of researching what it is they're supposed to be looking at. How are we supposed to be convinced by a drawn or painted image no matter when they were created? There's this talking cat in my newspaper every morning called Garfield, but I don't think he proves that cats talk, do you? If you care to share the pertinent information on these images I'll be happy to discuss them. For further information on the phenomena of "UFOs" in works of art see the sister site to this thread
Could Ancient Gods Be Aliens?. You'll note on that thread that once hard science entered the discussion all the fantasists kind of disappeared.

Originally posted by SKMDC1

As far as this debate is concerned the absolute truth is impossible to find. All we can do is compare his writings to others, compare the translations and determine the likelyhood of authenticity. You can't possibly know the "truth" of whether Josephus wrote about Jesus of Nazareth unless as I said before you knew the man personally.

There are no secular sources for Jesus Christ. The Christians of the Holy Roman Empire were painfully aware of that fact.

What to do----they knew that future historians would be suspect if they, Christians, created a history of Jesus outside of scripture, so they inserted a few sentences mentioning Jesus of Nazareth into the writings of a Roman Jewish historian in order to garner legitimacy for Christianity.

The huge error that the Christian scribes made was chronological----Nazareth didn't exist during the time of Jesus----the area that is now known as Nazareth was a grave site two thousand years ago----if you know anything about the Jewish people they will not live anywhere near a grave site.

Josephus would have known that Nazareth didn't exist----yet in his writing he mentions Jesus of Nazareth----no way no how would someone of his stature be capable of that kind of error.

Gentiles (non Jews) who became Christians were unconcerned that Nazareth was only a grave site----perhaps they didn't know.

Nazareth exists today as a tourist attraction----there are no structures or ruins that date to the era of Jesus or before.



Josephus is only a small part of the books I researched, my bibliography for my manuscript is extensive.

there are two kinds of aliens: illegal and extraterrestrial. if you read Dr. Jan Pajak's work on UFOnauts there's alot on what the government knows about the alien beings and his telepathic research on free energy devices.

In my perspective, Jesus was a telepath that used telekinesis, levitation, ESP, time travel, and parallel universe only to help/heal victims of voices in their head, UFOnauts and the great devil satan.

Originally posted by Cicada


MagicPriest420, (you've all caught on to the intellectual use of the number 420 in his ID, right?)
Okay, so your sources are god and researching history. That's a little better than the no answer at all you've been giving for what now seems like forever. In what manner does god communicate with you? In what way do you research history?

God is my inner being..my soul..whenever i think about anything..thats me communicating with god...before i say what im thinking..it will come out positive or negative...those two energys are what god is......i use the the internet,dictionary,bible..to research history

History of the human race and our origins can be traced back through archeological study. One of the most interesting discovery going on right now is taking place in Iraq. If you really want to learn truths backed up by vast tangible evidence I urge you to discover and learn Sumerian history. When looking at both ancient knowledge recently discovered in Iraq along with events currently taking place it paints a clear picture of what is to come.

The Sumerian Culture, which dates back to 6,000 BC, is the oldest known culture on Earth. Even today we still use the same Mathematical system, Calendar, and Time as they created it so long ago. This Sumerian culture lived in the area stretching Iraq to Egypt. Iraq is the site of the oldest civilization we have on record. Some of the most recent discoveries include objects depicting the power of flight through human like beings with wings. Sumerian writings describe these beings as Annunaki. The Annunaki were the Sumerians living God's. Many writings discovered describe how the Annunaki came down and lived side by side with man. Perhaps this explains the extensive Sumerian knowledge of mathematics, astronomy, and a very complex language of more then 400 characters. The Sumerian mathematics system was sexigesimal which is a base 60 system revolving around the number 12. The Sumerians were the first ones to give us 360 degrees in a circle, the twelve houses of the zodiac and twelve hours in a day. The Sumerian story of Genesis explains a more detailed view on not only how man and earth was created but also the solar system and galaxies. The Sumerian version describing the story of Noah's Ark is also a larger more decriptive version of the same story written in the new and old testament. The Sumerian version of course dates 4000 years before Christ and 2000 years before the Jewish God of Abraham.

The Annuanki in various Sumerian artifacts explain a story which took place 300,000 years ago when the Annunaki came to earth and created a workers class out of the existing neanderthal man. The Annunaki prayed and lived in harmony with man. Sometime around 4,000BC the Annunaki suddenly left. Many have wondered if the Annunaki might have died. New texts discovered describe two seperate Annunaki clans in a battle over earth. It describes a battle involving clouds of death and fire that burns up most of the earth.

Some of the latest advances in Space Science imaging suggest that a 10th planet exists in our own solar system. Six thousand years ago, the Sumerians were also aware of a planet they called Nibiru. They described a race of “gods” that lived on that planet, and visited us in our past, dramatically affecting our own culture. Artifacts and stone tablets excavated from Iraq clearly speak of a planet that was the home world of ancient astronauts. Sumerian history describes a planetary event where Nibiru will be sent into the inner solar system affecting earth. My guess is 2012 which is when the Sumerian and Mayan calendars predict as the end of time.






Reference

The phi ratio, also called the Golden Mean, can be demonstrated and understood through the division of a line. There is only one point at which a line can be divided such that there is a proportional relationship between the smaller and larger segments, and the larger segment in relation to the entire line. If a line AC is divided into AB and BC, then the only place where the line can be divided such that AB/BC=BC/AC is the point where the ratio is 1.618. If AB, for example, is 1, then BC must be 1.618. This ratio can be used to develop a series of numbers in which each successive pair of numbers, when added, produces the next number in the series. In whole numbers, this produces the series, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34' , also called the Fibonacci number series. When this series of numbers is represented two-dimensionally, it produces the Golden rectangle, the basis for the phi ratio spiral. The phi ratio is embedded throughout creation. It can be found in human anatomical proportions, musical scales, growth patterns in plants, and the design we see when we cut an apple in half. The phi ratio spiral is most obvious in a chambered nautilus shell, the whorling seed-pattern within a sunflower, and the spiraling arms of the galaxy. The phi ratio demonstrates the inclusiveness with which God/One/Source thinks and functions. The continuous unfoldment of a series of lines, rectangles, or spirals based on this ratio always builds on and includes what has come before. The previous segments, when combined, produce the next, in perfect proportion. All previous structures are enfolded within the next, in the endless unfurling of the whole. The phi ratio spiral demonstrates the perfect unfolding symmetry of life, as it emerges from a point and proceeds through expanding cycles of growth, and then, from the zenith of maximum growth and unfoldment, spirals down again into a point.

The Time Spiral governs the timing of the mega-evolutionary event in which we are all participating, consciously or unconsciously. It winds through third-dimensional time to the "end of time," the Omega-Alpha point. Just as the phi ratio spiral creates shells, human bodies, and galaxies, it is also structuring the enormous evolutionary changes that accompany the shift from the third to the fourth and fifth dimensions. We are now experiencing a tightening spiral of accelerated completion of all that we have known. This "dissolution spiral" or "dark spiral" is carrying us to the still point, the moment when a freshly unwinding spiral births the new epoch. Like the arms of "dark light" and matter winding into the center of the galactic core, we are spiraling toward the completion of Omega point. Then, like countless stars unfurling from the galactic core, the "New Heaven, New Earth" will begin to unfold from Alpha point.


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CICADA......
.... where did i say spiritual eyes?? i did say materialistic eyes which is not actually a direct reference to your eyes persay.......its meant that when your born your born with 2 knowledges ..the "inner" and the "outer".....

lets start with the "inner" knowledge......
its a knowledge of god and your true self, and the true identity of your soroundings........your inner knowledge sees and realises that this world is fake its material and serves no porpose other then to teach and mold you...
kinda like god (atman) sends us all to elementary school to learn the basics ......... god wants us to be like him ..as we are all a part of him....god does not long for material things and we should not either.......then when you die if youve done well in your learnings you go to the next step.....and you keep going to school until you get it right......

the "outer" knowledge ...from day one rebels against your inner knowledge....this is because your outer knowledge is born of the material world...
it wants the materialistic things it only sees through "materialistic eyes"....
your outer knowledge does not realise that these material things die and erode and break ,but your soul doesnt.......however you can teach your outer knowledge to not want these things.....you teach your outer knowledge to see past the material things.....once you start to do this (a long process....ive been trying to teach my outer knowledge these things through studing different religions and also reading alot of vedic text....for about the last 14 to 15 years ....and i often still find myself looking through materialistic eyes) your mind will open up to alot of different things and you will start to realise that you really do look at thing through a materialistic outlook........

the belief that a man came and died for our sins and then if you follow him you will be saved and go to heaven or new jerusaleum is a very materialistic thing......it puts god on a simple level with you....makes you think that you can understand god, but to understand god (which at this level is nearly impossible) you have to look deeper.....you have to look in your self.......you must strive for perfection before you can obtain perferction .....you must obtain perfection before you can be one with god........we are all consciuos energy that is part of the energy called "god"..and when we become perfect we become one with that energy......
to think there is only one form of god is a very materialistic thing......to think god will let you reside with him directly with out reaching eternal perfection is materialistic.......nor is it realistic......
as for aliens ....you would not only be looking through materialistic eyes but also very shortminded to think in this vast universe of ours alone that we are the only living creature in space.........

the best information about Planet Nibiru can be found right heer!


www.nibiruancouncil.com...#

Originally posted by plague
CICADA......
.... where did i say spiritual eyes?? i did say materialistic eyes which is not actually a direct reference to your eyes persay.......its meant that when your born your born with 2 knowledges ..the "inner" and the "outer".....

lets start with the "inner" knowledge......
its a knowledge of god and your true self, and the true identity of your soroundings........your inner knowledge sees and realises that this world is fake its material and serves no porpose other then to teach and mold you...
kinda like god (atman) sends us all to elementary school to learn the basics ......... god wants us to be like him ..as we are all a part of him....god does not long for material things and we should not either.......then when you die if youve done well in your learnings you go to the next step.....and you keep going to school until you get it right......

the "outer" knowledge ...from day one rebels against your inner knowledge....this is because your outer knowledge is born of the material world...
it wants the materialistic things it only sees through "materialistic eyes"....
your outer knowledge does not realise that these material things die and erode and break ,but your soul doesnt.......however you can teach your outer knowledge to not want these things.....you teach your outer knowledge to see past the material things.....once you start to do this (a long process....ive been trying to teach my outer knowledge these things through studing different religions and also reading alot of vedic text....for about the last 14 to 15 years ....and i often still find myself looking through materialistic eyes) your mind will open up to alot of different things and you will start to realise that you really do look at thing through a materialistic outlook........

the belief that a man came and died for our sins and then if you follow him you will be saved and go to heaven or new jerusaleum is a very materialistic thing......it puts god on a simple level with you....makes you think that you can understand god, but to understand god (which at this level is nearly impossible) you have to look deeper.....you have to look in your self.......you must strive for perfection before you can obtain perferction .....you must obtain perfection before you can be one with god........we are all consciuos energy that is part of the energy called "god"..and when we become perfect we become one with that energy......
to think there is only one form of god is a very materialistic thing......to think god will let you reside with him directly with out reaching eternal perfection is materialistic.......nor is it realistic......
as for aliens ....you would not only be looking through materialistic eyes but also very shortminded to think in this vast universe of ours alone that we are the only living creature in space.........

I disagree with you..god is not man or women..god is energy...all the other stuff i agrree with..we still cool right

majic?...
where did i say god was man or woman?? this would be material and go against everything i just posted

All that the bible does is make us feel farther away from god..when in reality god is so close you can feel it...you can feel god right now..just by forming a thot ....god is all the spiritual energy that is stored in your body..the bible says the only way to come to god..is in sprirt...that means from the soul