Netanyahu: Sneak Attack On Iran If Elected

Originally posted by ArchAngel
If it truely were self defense Israel would not be occupying Palestine land two gnerations later.

Riwka already answered you here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Shortly after the Six-Day War, Israel indicated its desire to negotiate peace with its Arab neighbors. While Israel was unprepared to relinquish the eastern half of Jerusalem it was willing to exchange the seized territories for a comprehensive settlement. But Israel's overtures were rebuffed. An unmistakable response came from Khartoum, Sudan's capital, where Arab leaders issued a resolution on September 1, 1967 announcing the three noes:

no peace

no recognition

no negotiation"

If the Israelies know about a secret site why don't they tell the UN all about it, and save themselves some trouble?

In inteligence, a lot of time you can't reveal your sources. The Iranians might close the leak! (Which also means - kill everyone involved.)

[edit on 11-12-2005 by Parmenides]

Yes it was a misenterpretation, it was a threat to throw out inspectors. Another misread haha, sometimes my eyes read faster than my brain. Heres a link to that.

www.sciencedaily.com...

Things seem to be improving, but hasnt that been a trend with Iran. Go from defiant to cooperative, its a classic diplomatic stalling technique.
www.senate.gov...

What is this, just the latest in a series of dog pile on Israel threads started by archangel?

Come on archangel, you've asked the same questions and tried to make the same points in many threads. The members have answered you and answered you and answered you. However, you're apparent hatred of Israel seems to have blinded you to the point where you can not or will not see.

Here's a couple questions for you to answer. Have you ever considered that the radical elements in the muslim world are just whipping up anti-Israel sentiments to mask their own ambitions and the failures of the muslim leaders to provide decent living conditions and frredom for their populations? Have you ever considered that by continuously spouting this hate rhetoric that you are nothing but a pawn for these people, and in fact helping make things worse for the people in the region rather than better?

These types of articles and assertions are not new; this is just another round as Iran remains firmly defiant while purporting Israel's distruction (not the first time).

Israel Ready to Stop Nukes 2003

Israel has Plans to hit Iran Nuke Plant, March 2005

Foreign ministry issues statement on US, Israeli threats against Iran (listing of similar articles form 2003 thru 2005)


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Originally posted by centurion1211
What is this, just the latest in a series of dog pile on Israel threads started by archangel?

Come on archangel, you've asked the same questions and tried to make the same points in many threads. The members have answered you and answered you and answered you. However, you're apparent hatred of Israel seems to have blinded you to the point where you can not or will not see.

You and the others have all failed to acknowledge that the Palestinians have a right to freedom, and that Israel is the one denying this freedom.

The answers always dodge this central issue, or completely ignore my questions.

Here's a couple questions for you to answer. Have you ever considered that the radical elements in the muslim world are just whipping up anti-Israel sentiments to mask their own ambitions and the failures of the muslim leaders to provide decent living conditions and frredom for their populations?

Utter stupidity.

If Israel would give back what they stole when they invaded in a sneak attack what would they have to complain about then?

Point the finger at the ones who have taken Action denying these people freedom, the Israelies.

Have you ever considered that by continuously spouting this hate rhetoric that you are nothing but a pawn for these people, and in fact helping make things worse for the people in the region rather than better?

If the truth is hate then I am a hater.

If supporting the CHRISTIANS of Palestine is hate then I am a hater.

What people like you fail to see is that there is more than two positions.

Between your hate, and the Muslim extremist hate there are many solutions.

I support an Israeli nation behind the green line, and I support freedoms for those currently under occupation.

Dodge this: Why not give the Palestinian Christians equal rights?

Originally posted by Parmenides

Originally posted by ArchAngel
If it truely were self defense Israel would not be occupying Palestine land two gnerations later.

Riwka already answered you here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...[/quoet]

He failed to asnwer why they have not withdrawn after two generations.

That was no answer for NOW.

If the Israelies know about a secret site why don't they tell the UN all about it, and save themselves some trouble?

In inteligence, a lot of time you can't reveal your sources. The Iranians might close the leak! (Which also means - kill everyone involved.)

How silly.

They would not have to give up their source.

And wouldn't they already have already given up any surprise with this news report?

No longer is their any reason for them to not inform the UN, unless it is all a lie designed to whip the peopel into a frenzy.

You seem to be one slippery character, at least logically. Now you try to squirm away from what I asked you by saying you support the so-called "palestinian" Christians against the Israelis? Where did that come from, the little book they give you with instructions on how to respond when you're stuck?

Based on your previous posts, I totally reject your last post as being purely bogus.




[edit on 12/11/2005 by centurion1211]

Things seem to be improving, but hasnt that been a trend with Iran. Go from defiant to cooperative, its a classic diplomatic stalling technique.

What are they defying?

Demands that deny them rights granted as signatories to the IAEA.

The question is not about inspections because Iran has agreed to an extended inspection regime that no other nation in the world has to endure.

What Iran wants is the right to produce their own reactor fuel.

A right that there is no precedant for denial.

America should be attacking the IAEA, not Iran because every nation in the world is watching as we break international agreements with our threats of violence.

Originally posted by centurion1211
You seem to be one slippery character, at least logically. Now you try to squirm away from what I asked you by saying you support the so-called "palestinian" Christians? Where did that come from, the little book they give you with instructions on how to respond when you're stuck?

Based on your previous posts, I totally reject your last post as being purely bogus.

[edit on 12/11/2005 by centurion1211]

I have been supporting the Palestinian Christians online for longer than you have been online.

Before you first signed onto AOL, and even before there was a Web I was on Usenet promoting a pro-Christian Palestinian agenda.

Please feel free to say what you will, but call me a liar on this one more time and expect to be put on ignore.

Leave the debate to the issues, and personal attacks out.

[edit on 11-12-2005 by ArchAngel]

Originally posted by ArchAngel
What Iran wants is the right to produce their own reactor fuel.

A right that there is no precedant for denial.

Why do they want that ? Russia has offered to supply their fuel for the reactors. It obvious, why they want enrichment technology, isn't it
Also as far as I know, it's far cheaper for them to have fossil fuel power stations, after all they do sit on one of the worlds largest energy reserves.
Anyone who thinks they aren't aiming to produce nuclear weapons really is blind to all the facts.

I think if I was Israeli I'd be voting for Netanyahu in the next election.

I'm still trying to recall any news article I've ever seen where the Israelis have been reported as persecuting Christians.

Of course I've also never seen any report about Christians blowing up or otherwise attacking the Israelis.

Maybe there's a connection

I'm still trying to recall any news article I've ever seen where the Israelis have been reported as persecuting Christians.

PLEASE understand that ISRAELI CHRISTIANS and PALESTINIAN CHRISTIANS are not afforded the same rights.

The occupation of Palestine is daily persecution for the Christians there.

Israel does not have smart bombs that can tell the difference between Islamic Terrorists, or innocents of any religion.

Christians are dying too, their lands are being stolen, and they are all denied National, Civil, or even Human rights.

In august of 2003, they were cooperative in providing information on their centrifuges and heavy-water reactor activities.
www.carnegieendowment.org...

Ok they halt talks and break the seals on the production lines of one of their facilities and resume enrichment activities; something they said they would not do in the Paris Agreement in October of 2003.

"To build further confidence, Iran has decided, on a voluntary basis, to continue and extend its suspension to include all enrichment related and reprocessing activities, and specifically; the manufacture and import of gas cerntrifuges and their components; teh assembly, installation, testing or operation of gas centrifuges; work to undertake any plutonium separation, or to construct or operate any plutonium separation installation; and all tests or production at any plutonium separation installation."
www.iaea.org...='the%20paris%20agreement'

then they reject the Paris Agreement, somthing they were a signatory of and continued enrichment activities in 2004.
news.bbc.co.uk...

Now they are once again cooperating it seems. I wonder how long it will last, in case you havent noticed, there is a pattern forming here.
www.iaea.org...

and you wanna provide some evidence for those claims, weve been over this before, if youre gonna make a claim as fact, provied proof in the form of a reliable source and no one will argue.

[edit on 12/11/2005 by ludaChris]

Why do they want that ? Russia has offered to supply their fuel for the reactors. It obvious, why they want enrichment technology, isn't it.

Any nation can offer anything, then later take it away.

Iran was offered the right to enrich Uranium for peaceful purposes the day they signed the NNPT.

Its obvious they want nothing more than they were promised.

Also as far as I know, it's far cheaper for them to have fossil fuel power stations, after all they do sit on one of the worlds largest energy reserves.

The two biggest things you are missing from your rationalization here is that the price of oil is going nowhere but up, and OPEC quotas are for oil PRODUCTION not EXPORT.

Even now Nuclear energy is cheaper and cleaner, and the difference will only grow.

Every bit of petrol energy that can be replaced by another source puts money, and international political power into the hands of the STATE that offers it for sale.

They want nuclear reactors for the wealth, and power the extra oil brings.

Anyone who thinks they aren't aiming to produce nuclear weapons really is blind to all the facts.

Anyone saying that they are is making suppositions.

While its true that all the same equipment for producing nuclear reactor fuel can also be used for making weapons their existance proves nothing more than they want to make fuel.

Lots of other countries enrich their own fuel.

Japan even separates Plutonium from spent fuel rods, and enough to make dozens of bombs is missing, but instead of doing soemthing about that America jumps on Iran with no facts.

Originally posted by ArchAngel
You and the others have all failed to acknowledge that the Palestinians have a right to freedom, and that Israel is the one denying this freedom.

No, they had a direct hand hand in their own demise and loss as did many of their brethren:

Un Resolution 181 c1947 established a separate sovereign state for ‘Palestine’, it was rejected by 'Palestine' and.....

Voted against:

Afghanistan, Cuba, Egypt, Greece, India, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Turkey, Yemen.

Many of which would choose to invade Israel and topple her void of diplomacy, of course Israel won, and won her right among multitudes of countless states which have fought off aggressors and gained their respective sovereignty. Diplomacy was not pulled off the table by Israel.

Originally posted by ArchAngel
If Israel would give back what they stole when they invaded in a sneak attack what would they have to complain about then?

Err…why was 'what they stole' invaded?

Originally posted by centurion1211
Have you ever considered that by continuously spouting this hate rhetoric that you are nothing but a pawn for these people, and in fact helping make things worse for the people in the region rather than better?

Originally posted by centurion1211
Dodge this: Why not give the Palestinian Christians equal rights?

The beginning of the answer lays in context and culture, not necessarily a religion or a religious sect:

"It is fascinating that Palestinian statehood can be a "progressive" cause when the state they seek is one in which terrorism is tolerated but gay people are not. Such a state is totalitarian, not progressive. It is this same totalitarian impulse, not any Israeli "occupation," that continues the conflict with Israel because the Palestinian leadership respects nothing—not homosexuals, Jews, or inalienable rights—only its own will"

--- Davi J. Bernstein ,Yale Herald




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You cant prove they arent attempting to make nuclear weapons, because you can not prove a negative. I'll give you a hint, the signs dont point to a peaceful energy program, while that is in their right as stated in every UN resolution directed at them. But the way the run their nuke program isnt consistent with an energy program.

www.state.gov...
you dont need 70,000 centrifuges to produce fuel for domestic power needs.
www.cia.gov...
www.senate.gov...
there are plenty more for you Arch Angel when your done with these

Do you hear Japan making threats? Japan is not a security concern for the world, their president and leadership do not call for the destruction of another race publicly while openly defying the IAEA, though if Japan is producing Nuclear Weapons they too are in violation of the NPT. In which case they will be dealth with by the IAEA.

[edit on 12/11/2005 by ludaChris]

Originally posted by cjf

Originally posted by ArchAngel
You and the others have all failed to acknowledge that the Palestinians have a right to freedom, and that Israel is the one denying this freedom.

No, they had a direct hand hand in their own demise and loss as did many of their brethren:

That does not take ultimate responsibility for the occupation away from the Israelies.

The settlements, and the wall clearly show Israels intentions were hostile when they invaded in a sneak attack in 1967.

There may have been other reasons, but its not defense when you keep what was not yours for two generations.

Un Resolution 181 c1947 established a separate sovereign state for ‘Palestine’, it was rejected by 'Palestine' and.....

Voted against:

Afghanistan, Cuba, Egypt, Greece, India, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Turkey, Yemen.

Voted against having their land taken away from them by the western powers, and given to Jews so that they could create a racist state right in the middle of them, and so close to Jerusalem.

Put the shoe on the other foot and think. You would reject it too.

You say it as if it were a bad thing, or as if it meant that they wanted Israeli occupation.

The opposite is true.

Many of which would choose to invade Israel and topple her void of diplomacy, of course Israel won, and won her right among multitudes of countless states which have fought off aggressors and gained their respective sovereignty. Diplomacy was not pulled off the table by Israel.

Again, if you put the shoe on the other foot and really think about it you must admit that you would do the same.

You say it as if it goes against common sense.

Originally posted by ArchAngel
If Israel would give back what they stole when they invaded in a sneak attack what would they have to complain about then?

Err…why was 'what they stole' invaded?

So that Israel could wall them out of Jerusalem, and tear down Al Aqsa.

Thats exactly what they are doing right now.

If you would take a look at that UN resolution you would realise that the UN put Isreal there, not the Jews. So how did they "steal" the land. Go talk to the UN about that, that organization you seem to put so much stock in. Are you ignoring my posts, we had a good debate goin there.

[edit on 12/11/2005 by ludaChris]

You cant prove they arent attempting to make nuclear weapons, because you can not prove a negative.

Exactly.

Nothing they have yet done could have produced a nuclear weapon, nor does it exceed the rights supposedly granted NPT Signatories.

Please don't try to convince me because I believe they do want nuclear weapons.

I don't agree with the methods employed against Iran.

Between a nuclear armed Iran, and bombing their nuclear facilities there are many possibilities including them producing, and exporting nuclear fuel.

If we fail to honor the NPT and keep it all nice an legal we will destroy the NPT.

Then every nation in the world will race for their own nuclear weapons.

Break the promise to one and you have broken it for everyone.