Full Video: Explosions Before Both WTC Collapses and before WTC7 Collapse - You Will Believe

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Originally posted by HowardRoark
The 75th and 76th floors were mechanical floors

Do any of you understand how building air handler systems work? How return air plenums work?

I suppose not.

Ya, what do you need to know? I assume you don't since you never responded or pointed out what your point was.

Do you have a specific comment, or are you just taking a cheap shot at me?


Agent Smith got it in the next post.

Originally posted by AgentSmith
I don't know, I'll try.. Does that mean that large networks of air ducting would terminate to one or two floors? Does it mean that the nearest exit for the build up of pressure would be concentrated into one small place?

So what's your issue?



[edit on 22-4-2006 by HowardRoark]

Originally posted by rich23
Oh, Agent Smith: about the COINTELPRO thing - the fact that there were 'cellphone calls' when it seems to have been impossible to use cellphones on the planes would be, to me, prima facie evidence of COINTELPRO/PSYOPS involvement. It's therefore not such a stretch to think that the audio you refer to may have been redacted or even confected.

[edit on 13-4-2006 by rich23]

and jessica lynch(a tv movie, even!), and nick berg(sick), and 'fatty' bin laden vs. denial bin laden, crooked teeth 'spider hole' saddam with opposite bite(i can't remember which one has the over, and which the under) saddam, and the new york subway incident(hidden), and the chicago airport incident(also hidden), etc., etc., etc.

now, there's a movie about flight ##. oooo. those brave americans. all hail.

oh yeah, and what about tower seven? why did the media ignore(hide, omit, never repeat the video of) it.

HowardRoark:

It seemed as if you had some sort of light to shed for considering the dynamics of those floors but you didnt follow up.

Originally posted by HowardRoark
Agent Smith got it in the next post.

Originally posted by AgentSmith
I don't know, I'll try.. Does that mean that large networks of air ducting would terminate to one or two floors? Does it mean that the nearest exit for the build up of pressure would be concentrated into one small place?

Well why don't you and Smithy go ahead and post those floor numbers so we can take all of the squibs and try to match them up? Because I have a feeling that a lot of them would land on floors without such terminals.

DING DING DING !!!
It's comin together Pepper, It's comin together

I wonder when it does, if skeptics will post it knowing or unknowingly?
2+2 always =4 no matter how you look at it.To get other answers, you can try different ways and try to get something different, but sooner or later, you end up at 4

Originally posted by chris t

The evil doers must be getting nervous now that the trauma based mind control fear factor has vanished and Scholars for 9/11 Truth are going public at an increasing rate. The public brainwashing from 9/11 is wearing off fast folks...

Set up the gallows on the White House lawn...

It will be tragic and yet fascinating to watch the public reaction to the soon to come bombing of Iran. Bush has intimated that nukes will be used as "nothing is off the table" regarding Iran. I feel that even the jingoists/militarists are tiring of the Bush war-mongering and that this desperation move will be their undoing.

I do not believe they can continue the deception and retain power for much longer for the deception falters and with it their power. I think we should have a lottery to determine who gets to pull the handle on the gallows for each member of the administration with the earnings going to public elementary and secondary schools. And then we should really hit Exxon-Mobil hard with an excess profits tax. A regressive tax at that with all moneys to be invested in alternative energy and mass transportation. Something like trains might work... seem to in Europe anyhow.

Howard Howard Howard

Still squabbling over squibs?

The air in the elevator shaft is getting a bit old isn't it?

Visible demolition squibs dead center on all four sides every ten floors or so....

How about the vaporized 100 ton outer steel sections flying hundreds of feet?

How about the thousand points of light from within the core collapse?

How about the trailer truck of gold bars caught in the collapse before they could catch up with the rest of the $200 Billion convoy?

How about the VP running wargames from the White House Command and Control center?

How about Rumsfeld sitting on his hands so that jet interceptors stayed on the ground until after the Pentagon was hit? The number two in the chain of command is out of the loop on 9/11 until it was all over.

How about the Patriot missile defence system getting turned off at the Pentagon?

How about all the security videos from the WTC that are still under wraps?

How about you and Smith doing a tour in Iraq?
Or Iran if you can wait a few months...

Originally posted by chris t
How about the Patriot missile defence system getting turned off at the Pentagon?

How come this system doesn't shoot down the heavy air traffic flying over the Pentagon every day? Wait... transponders I hear you mumble..
Well what happens on the numerous and inevitable occasions that transponders fail? I don't often hear of aircraft getting shot down over the Pentagon..
Even if they could, where do you suggest they shoot the aircraft down to? The city?

'Government kills hundreds of civilians shooting down aircraft into city to save Pentagon'

Yes that would go down well... No pun intended...
This isn't Sci-Fi, the plane isn't going to vaporise midair with no destruction to people and property.

How about the thousand points of light from within the core collapse?

How do you know they are from the core, do you have a 3d version of the collapse where you get accurate depth perception you would like to share with us?
As I said numerous times before, you can see the exact same effect when it clearly is reflections of debris out to the sides where it can't possibly be explosives or anything else. One therefore deduces that the same happens in line between the tower and respective camera.

Visible demolition squibs dead center on all four sides every ten floors or so....

All four sides? Every 10 floors? What video have you got that allows you to see all four sides? Seems a slight exaggeration to me.... Do you think if you say it now then it will be remembered as fact in the future? Probably will, sadly.....

How about all the security videos from the WTC that are still under wraps?

I imagine they were destroyed in the collapse?
I guess you mean the Pentagon ones, yes they should damn well release them.
But it's good to keep you arguing and guessing

How about you and Smith doing a tour in Iraq?
Or Iran if you can wait a few months...

My country's opted out cheers

[edit on 27-4-2006 by AgentSmith]

Going back to the squibs, I have no idea if it is the actual answer as I'm not sure how we can work out the exact floors the 'squibs' are occuring on, but maybe someone else can.

The mechanical floors were on 41-42, 75-76 and 108-109.
Obviously 108-109 are not an issue.

So they are slightly more than 1/3rd of the way up and just under 3/4 of the way up.

Here are a couple of squib images, looking at it roughly they appear to be roughly in the correct areas, but to have more chance of definitely saying one way or another we really need to know the exact floor numbers they are on.

The mechanical floors are identifiable as two slightly darker bands around each tower. You can see it above the squib in the second picture there. There's been plenty of analysis of the squibs in the annals of ATS 9/11-related threads, and it has been conclusively shown that the squibs were not isolated to the mechanical floors. (What the cause of them was is another matter). I only remember one video that showed any squibs occurring at a mechanical floor, and they appeared to be multiple, smaller expulsions spread across the facade, rather than single localized jets as in the other locations.

Originally posted by chris t
How about the trailer truck of gold bars caught in the collapse before they could catch up with the rest of the $200 Billion convoy?

I’m still chuckling over this one.

Where did you read that, in a comic book? Who was driving the truck, the Penguin or the Joker?

I think what we see here is the Chinese whispers effect of this:

911research.wtc7.net...

How many other 'facts' are equally warped?

I just have one question Agent Smith.

Is the source of that article reliable? I mean, in the upper right hand corner it tells me to reserve my copy of the "9-11 Research Book". I don't know if I can trust a site that's selling something.

Edit: I admit, I only read about half the article and didn't notice it was related to conspiracies when I posted this. So, I've concluded that you were just answering Howard's question instead of putting up evidence to refute the claim. My bad.

[edit on 27-4-2006 by Griff]

No problem, but you will also notice that it is one tiny discrete advert, and not something along the lines of having a few tantalising paragraphs followed by 'buy the book/DVD for the whole story!'. In fact it's so discrete I never even noticed it.. LOL
It also has links to reputable sources at the bottom.


[edit on 27-4-2006 by AgentSmith]

I like how this:

Officials finally reached the trove Tuesday after removing a 10-wheel truck and several cars that had been crushed by the debris. No bodies were recovered. More than 100 armed officers watched the workers. The contents of the vaults had to be removed because authorities need to demolish the building.

911research.wtc7.net...

became this:

According to reports, two truckloads of gold were found in a delivery tunnel under 5 World Trade Center in a 10-wheel lorry which had been crushed by falling steel.

911research.wtc7.net...

Originally posted by AgentSmith
Going back to the squibs, I have no idea if it is the actual answer as I'm not sure how we can work out the exact floors the 'squibs' are occuring on, but maybe someone else can.

The mechanical floors were on 41-42, 75-76 and 108-109.
Obviously 108-109 are not an issue.

The problem there is the squibs appear to come from 3+ floors apart, not 2.

I just downloaded Azureus, but cant figure out how I can view the video

I think the government was complicit in 9/11, but this thread is a joke......right???

Well it's way out of context now, as alot of threads are.

if something is dropped, and falls 100 meters in 4.6 seconds, what is it's average rate of acceleration(please answer this in mayan calender math)? 707.

everyone join in with answers.

i'll ski and go to the beach.