NEWS: George Bush Strongly Supports Death Penalty

Originally posted by Seekerof

Originally posted by bodebliss
Here's my guess:

This just throws out the window, the idea that God talks to Bush.

How so, bodebliss?
Just so that you can come to some understanding of what you have mentioned, quoted above, try these:
The death penalty in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament)
The death penalty/ capital punishment in the Chritian Scriptures (New Testament)
The Death Penalty Debate: Extensive Religious Section Included





seekerof

And don't forget the commandment that specifically staes Thou shalt not kill. Oh....wait. That's not.....right!

I love religions built on contradictions.

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne

As far as Bush being out of step with the rest of the world; who cares? He is the president of the U.S., not the world. We support the death penalty.

Are you speaking for me? Well then you are wrong. "WE" do not support the death penalty. You might and that's fine but don't lump me in with you please.

Originally posted by ImJaded


Look at Singapore's figures, they do it all the time, like it's for fun, they just hung yet another drug trafficker, he was all cool calm n collect before his hanging.

Ah good ole cruel Singapore, the once British colony that cained people for chewing gum. Guess they learned well from the British while they were a colony. Now I am willing to bet they execute more people then any other country in the world, but I am not sure.

There's a list of the top death penalty states on Wikipedia here:

en.wikipedia.org...

On a per capita basis, Singapore executes 7 times more often than the U.S., and Kuwait, China and Iran even more than that.

Originally posted by jsobecky
So, Flyers Fan, if a person is against capital punishment then they must logically be against abortion, correct?

You know it goes the other way as well...

If someone is against abortion then they must logically be against the death penalty right?

Or at least one would think it would be that way...?

Originally posted by ShakyaHeir
You know it goes the other way as well...

If someone is against abortion then they must logically be against the death penalty right?

Or at least one would think it would be that way...?

Not at all. If an innocent baby is aborted, his or her blood is on your hands. When a murderer is punished for his crimes, his blood is on his own hands.

The Bible makes that quite clear.

Countries and territories which retain the death penalty for ordinary crimes

AFGHANISTAN, ANTIGUA AND BARBUDA, BAHAMAS, BANGLADESH, BARBADOS, BELARUS, BELIZE, BOTSWANA, BURUNDI, CAMEROON, CHAD, CHINA, COMOROS, CONGO (Democratic Republic), CUBA, DOMINICA, EGYPT, EQUATORIAL GUINEA, ERITREA, ETHIOPIA, GABON, GHANA, GUATEMALA, GUINEA, GUYANA, INDIA, INDONESIA, IRAN, IRAQ, JAMAICA, JAPAN, JORDAN, KAZAKSTAN, KOREA (North), KOREA (South), KUWAIT, KYRGYZSTAN, LAOS, LEBANON, LESOTHO, LIBYA, MALAWI, MALAYSIA, MONGOLIA, NIGERIA, OMAN, PAKISTAN, PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY, PHILIPPINES, QATAR, RWANDA, SAINT CHRISTOPHER & NEVIS, SAINT LUCIA, SAINT VINCENT & GRENADINES, SAUDI ARABIA, SIERRA LEONE, SINGAPORE, SOMALIA, SUDAN, SWAZILAND, SYRIA, TAIWAN, TAJIKISTAN, TANZANIA, THAILAND, TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO, UGANDA, UNITED ARAB EMIRATES, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, UZBEKISTAN, VIET NAM, YEMEN, ZAMBIA, ZIMBABWE.

Oh man, that really puts things in perspective. I don't think that, in countries that can afford to incarcerate a criminal for life, any man or institution has the moral authority or prerogative to kill a man for his crimes.

Zip

Originally posted by Zipdot
I don't think that, in countries that can afford to incarcerate a criminal for life, any man or institution has the moral authority or prerogative to kill a man for his crimes.

Zip

That is what a lot of people say. Wll until it is one of their loved ones that is killed, then they are the first to call for the death penalty.

Originally posted by shots

Originally posted by Zipdot
I don't think that, in countries that can afford to incarcerate a criminal for life, any man or institution has the moral authority or prerogative to kill a man for his crimes.

Zip

That is what a lot of people say. Wll until it is one of their loved ones that is killed, then they are the first to call for the death penalty.

Yeah, a lot of people say THAT too... Legislation should not be based on the emotional instability that someone experiences following a personal crisis. Additionally, your quote is inaccurate, in that many family members of victims of homicide are quite satisfied with the "life without parole" punishment. Check the numbers.

Zip

Originally posted by deluded

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne

As far as Bush being out of step with the rest of the world; who cares? He is the president of the U.S., not the world. We support the death penalty.

Are you speaking for me? Well then you are wrong. "WE" do not support the death penalty. You might and that's fine but don't lump me in with you please.

I would have thought that it would have been extremely obvious that I was talking about the majority of Americans as, case case is that the overwhelming majority does, last I saw. Please, tell me that the overtly obvious was seen by you.

Let me rephrase what I said, so that the very small monority who did not understand will do so:

According to the last poll I saw, the majority of Americans agree that the death penalty is a tool the justice system should have in its tool box.

"The Bible makes that quite clear."

The old testament made that clear, but Jesus wrote a new testament.

Turn the other cheek. Love thy neighbor as you love yourself. Forgive your enemy and ask forgiveness from God for your enemy.

It is easy to forget that when when hate wells up in your heart. I know Bush has. What about you?

Originally posted by bodebliss
"The Bible makes that quite clear."

yeah you are right it sure does

And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

-- Exodus 21: 23-25

There is only one way you can take the above even though you may not like it, it is in the bible.

shots,

That part was a quote from another post higher up.

I would say that a death penalty would be a better punishment than just life in prison if murders against innocent people are committed.

The person who commits crimes like that deserves to be executed. Thank you very much. And that is the way how the Justice System should work.

The ultra far you know what claims that there executing an innocent person.

And who ever said that the Bush regime will be a synonym of the Hitler regime is the most outragous statement I have ever heard of.

There goes my 2 cent.

[edit on 4-12-2005 by SuperTrashCan]

Originally posted by SuperTrashCan

And who ever said that the Bush regime will be a synonym of the Hitler regime is the most outragous statement I have ever heard of.

There goes my 2 cent.

[edit on 4-12-2005 by SuperTrashCan]

But to say the Bush family colluded with the Nazis during WWII would be a fact.

Is prison the place to:

a. Rehabilitate the convict

b. Punish the convict

c. Separate the convict from society so that he may do no more harm

d. A halfway house for the convict to wait ouy his appeals?

Originally posted by djohnsto77
While the death penalty may not be so popular in the rest of the world, it enjoys broad support among the U.S. population:

It really does. But it hasn't always. One of the specials I saw on the 1,000th execution since 1977's reinstatement of government uh murder was citing public opinion from the 40's and 50's and 60's and our nations former overwhelming outrage against the death penalty. Man, Christianity has changed a lot since the Heritage Foundation armed a newly vengeful Jesus and converted Him to capitalism as the mascot of the Republican Party.

Originally posted by RANT

Man, Christianity has changed a lot

That is an interesting question.

Beeing no Christian, I thought that the Christian religion does not oppose death penalty?

I've read the Jesus of the Christian Bible did not oppose death penalty for instance when he said that the one who is without sin is allowed to be the first cast a stone at a woman who had been taken in the very act of adultery?

o.p. by bodebliss
Jesus wrote a new testament. Turn the other cheek. Love thy neighbor as you love yourself. Forgive your enemy and ask forgiveness from God for your enemy.

Amen.

o.p. by RANT
Man, Christianity has changed a lot since the Heritage Foundation armed a newly vengeful Jesus and converted Him to capitalism as the mascot of the Republican Party.

Well said.

Isaiah 1:2 comes to mind.

KJV
Hear, O Heavens, and give ear, O earth: for the Lord hath spoken, I have nourished and brought up children, and they have rebelled against me.

I believe Isaiah 1:4 may be one of the sources for President Bush's 'evildoers' assertion, and I also think he has misinterpreted the passage and applied it erroneously.

Imo, it should be turned around and applied to those he represents. Not those he claims to represent, but those his actions truly benefit, those who manipulated the system to put him in power to begin with.

I am thankful for the insight of RANT and bodebliss, and I apply Isaiah 1:9 to them.

KJV
Except the Lord of hosts had left unto us one small remnant, we should have been as Sodom and we should have been like unto Gomorrah

So what should we do? Imo, we need to folow Isaiah 1:16-17.

Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;

Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.

We cannot relieve the oppressed by becoming the oppressors.

Originally posted by Icarus Rising

We cannot relieve the oppressed by becoming the oppressors.

Who is the oppressed and who the oppressor in a discussion on death penalty in civil law?